OT: Enough of Sarah Palin Already!

[stevew2]

My man would have won any, be she did turn away a few votes toward s the end cause she looked so stupid Really if the old man kicked over in a month, do you really think she could run the country? Make a sandwich, get a glass of milk ,think about

Yes. Because it wouldn't have affected me. I am a true believer of small government. Hopefull she would've said this is too big and we need to cut. Second and most important, I hate to burst everyone's bubble but the President isn't the one and only person running the show. They have an enomorous amount of advisors, department heads, cabinet, etc., etc. Yes they call the final shot but only the so called major ones. The day to day, they have very little communication or input on things because they are not that important. She wouldn't be sitting alone in the oval office wondering, "wow, what should I do about Iran, Russia, etc." Sure it's her final call but I think others (and this goes for any prez) have almost made the call for them already.

She would call on them to show her where in the fuck are these countries on the globe

[Enigma869]

How shocking that the President-Elect is getting media coverage.

Actually, they usually don't. There's usally a huge lull between the time they are voted in and the time they are sworn in because there usually isn't shit to talk about. This is all about him being the first "African-American president." Even though he's actually bi-racial, a half-breed or mulatto...whichever you prefer. Otherwise we wouldn't be hearing shit.

You're as clueless as your friend Taco Boy if you really believe this is all about the guy's skin color. The attention he is now getting has far more to do with the fact that W. is the most hated president in history, and most people can't wait to get his sorry ass out of office!


John from Boston

[Jana]

That's the problem, Tito, she doesn't have deep enough intellect or a broad knowledge of the issues to compensate for her lack of experience. A lot of politicians ARE NOT VP material or Commander-In-Chief material. She's in that category right now. Who knows in four years? I'm sure she will be working on it.

But Governor Crist has his eyes on it and another governor ,Governor Jindal seems to be interested in 2012. And she definitely seems interested. I'm almost positive Romney will try again. Should be interesting.

Of course, I'm praying Obama has a successful first term and that he can make a dent into all the issues this country is facing

[Jana]

How shocking that the President-Elect is getting media coverage.

Actually, they usually don't. There's usally a huge lull between the time they are voted in and the time they are sworn in because there usually isn't shit to talk about. This is all about him being the first "African-American president." Even though he's actually bi-racial, a half-breed or mulatto...whichever you prefer. Otherwise we wouldn't be hearing shit.

You're as clueless as your friend Taco Boy if you really believe this is all about the guy's skin color. The attention he is now getting has far more to do with the fact that W. is the most hated president in history, and most people can't wait to get his sorry ass out of office!


John from Boston

I agree with John that the country wants to move past Bush. The economy is in the toilet, what's happening with these bail-outs is causing anxiety, etc. It's just of more interest than normally who his picks are for his administration. I believe it would be that way with McCain too.

[separate_wayz]

She was publicly crucified by the media for 2 months, I don't have a problem with her speaking now.


France is still waiting on it's first "black" president, huh?

Pretty funny. France has the most f*cked-up set of racial and ethnic problems -- we definitely don't need any pointers from the French on race relations or civil society. (And absolutely not on economics or public policy ..... )

Interesting how the French feel the need to live vicariously through America.

[The_Noble_Cause]

To the first point, I totally agree. That's what made her so attractive (not apprerance but actual ideology, etc.) is when she was herself.

Is there anything to back this up?
The only time she didn't make a fool of herself is when she delivered that acidic Coulter-style speech at the RNC.
Her most recent batch of interviews sound awfully like the same old Sarah we heard throughout the race.

When they tried to conform her is when she had problems. She had to be someone she wasn't and it showed.

Wasn't it revealed that she refused to prep for the Katie Couric interview against the will of McCain's people?

Second point, McCain had to run an absolutely perfect campaign to have just a chance to win.

No, McCain just had to run as McCain, instead of courting the fringe base.
His former advisor, Mike Murphy, understood this, and prolly would've led McCain to victory.

[stevew2]

How shocking that the President-Elect is getting media coverage.

Actually, they usually don't. There's usally a huge lull between the time they are voted in and the time they are sworn in because there usually isn't shit to talk about. This is all about him being the first "African-American president." Even though he's actually bi-racial, a half-breed or mulatto...whichever you prefer. Otherwise we wouldn't be hearing shit.

You're as clueless as your friend Taco Boy if you really believe this is all about the guy's skin color. The attention he is now getting has far more to do with the fact that W. is the most hated president in history, and most people can't wait to get his sorry ass out of office!


John from Boston

I agree with John that the country wants to move past Bush. The economy is in the toilet, what's happening with these bail-outs is causing anxiety, etc. It's just of more interest than normally who his picks are for his administration. I believe it would be that way with McCain too.

Your post got deleated,and i couldnt quote you either,its okay to laugh at my one liners,Im not that serious about anything, she is retarded though

[Jana]

How shocking that the President-Elect is getting media coverage.

Actually, they usually don't. There's usally a huge lull between the time they are voted in and the time they are sworn in because there usually isn't shit to talk about. This is all about him being the first "African-American president." Even though he's actually bi-racial, a half-breed or mulatto...whichever you prefer. Otherwise we wouldn't be hearing shit.

You're as clueless as your friend Taco Boy if you really believe this is all about the guy's skin color. The attention he is now getting has far more to do with the fact that W. is the most hated president in history, and most people can't wait to get his sorry ass out of office!


John from Boston

I agree with John that the country wants to move past Bush. The economy is in the toilet, what's happening with these bail-outs is causing anxiety, etc. It's just of more interest than normally who his picks are for his administration. I believe it would be that way with McCain too.

Your post got deleated,and i couldnt quote you either,its okay to laugh at my one liners,Im not that serious about anything, she is retarded though

Sorry, SteveW, I was in the middle of it and jumped up to answer the door and must have accidently deleted it. It was funny whatever it was

[treetopovskaya]

dennis miller... my favorite republican... says in an interview why women (on the left) hate palin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebgiT0EtnnQ

[stevew2]

How shocking that the President-Elect is getting media coverage.

Actually, they usually don't. There's usally a huge lull between the time they are voted in and the time they are sworn in because there usually isn't shit to talk about. This is all about him being the first "African-American president." Even though he's actually bi-racial, a half-breed or mulatto...whichever you prefer. Otherwise we wouldn't be hearing shit.

You're as clueless as your friend Taco Boy if you really believe this is all about the guy's skin color. The attention he is now getting has far more to do with the fact that W. is the most hated president in history, and most people can't wait to get his sorry ass out of office!


John from Boston

I agree with John that the country wants to move past Bush. The economy is in the toilet, what's happening with these bail-outs is causing anxiety, etc. It's just of more interest than normally who his picks are for his administration. I believe it would be that way with McCain too.

Your post got deleated,and i couldnt quote you either,its okay to laugh at my one liners,Im not that serious about anything, she is retarded though

Sorry, SteveW, I was in the middle of it and jumped up to answer the door and must have accidently deleted it. It was funny whatever it was

As long as you didnt jump through the door,thats okay

[kgdjpubs]

Personally, from an issues standpoint, I don't think she did very well in the debate at all. To me, she came across as someone who didn't know the issues all that well, but had been VERY well coached on exactly what to say--and it was enough. She obviously learned well during the media blackout period.

Not disagreeing with that so much, but all politicans get preped and coached before debates. She did what she had to do as Biden did.

True, but by sidestepping many of the questions, she did little to refute anyone who had issues with her being qualified for the job. Anyone is going to get prepped and coached--and she obviously learned from it as she didn't fall on her face compared to the earlier interviews, but I saw very little "meat" in her answers on the issues, when she even addressed them.

]For sure, she was more likable than Biden, but this should never be a popularity contest,

I hope you didn't vote for Obama, if you did then you have to be kidding about this last statement. Obama won because this was a popularity contest and he was the most likable out of the nearly two dozen candidates in both parties that started.

I thought she came across much better later on when she was speaking on her own as opposed to the more robotic performance of memorizing the campaign agenda.

As you said though, McCain would have had to run a perfect campaign to beat Obama. It didn't happen, and I don't know if anybody will ever find out how much impact the Palin issue had on votes. I think there WAS an effect, but there's no telling how much.

To the first point, I totally agree. That's what made her so attractive (not apprerance but actual ideology, etc.) is when she was herself. When they tried to conform her is when she had problems. She had to be someone she wasn't and it showed. I think she disagrees with McCain alot like most conservatives do, hence her uneasiness.

Second point, McCain had to run an absolutely perfect campaign to have just a chance to win. At the end of the day, Palin had very little to no effect on the results. Whatever vote she lost, she got back from the base that was staying home. Obama would've won with or without Palin on the ticket. I said from day one, I disagreed with the insiders and their McCain is the only one who can win b.s. McCain was the only one who couldn't have won for sure. Huckabee and Romney had better chances of the major candidates. Obviously, there were better 2nd and 3rd tier candidates but the media chooses to ignore them which means the stupid public ignores them too. They weren't told to vote for those people.

I think the Palin effect is undecided. I know several people personally that due to McCain's age, that a vote for McCain could possibly be seen as a vote for Palin should something happen to him in the next 4 years--and they were VERY against that due to speculation about Palin's qualifications. Simply put, they were scared of the possibility of a Palin Presidency. They voted for Obama so as to NOT vote for Palin. Was it enough to make a difference on the national level? Who knows, but this was NC--which Obama won by the smallest margin of ANY state, and NC always goes Republican.

The VP candidate shouldn't matter much, but McCain's age gave an added importance to the role, and the Palin controversy didn't help him. To some extent, the race was more Obama vs. Palin than Obama vs. McCain. In the end, Palin probably lost some of the independent/uncommitted base.....and gained some hardcore Republicans, who wouldn't necessarily go for the more middle McCain. I don't know if anybody will find out which was the higher percentage.

[Lula]

palin is the gift that keeps on giving.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl150

i still find the whole mainstream media stuff comical. perhaps palin is simply used to getting by as an alaskan politician basing her knowledge on what matters to her rather than a global knowledge and concern.

[Tito]

To the first point, I totally agree. That's what made her so attractive (not apprerance but actual ideology, etc.) is when she was herself.

Is there anything to back this up?
The only time she didn't make a fool of herself is when she delivered that acidic Coulter-style speech at the RNC.
Her most recent batch of interviews sound awfully like the same old Sarah we heard throughout the race.

When they tried to conform her is when she had problems. She had to be someone she wasn't and it showed.

Wasn't it revealed that she refused to prep for the Katie Couric interview against the will of McCain's people?

Second point, McCain had to run an absolutely perfect campaign to have just a chance to win.

No, McCain just had to run as McCain, instead of courting the fringe base.
His former advisor, Mike Murphy, understood this, and prolly would've led McCain to victory.

McCain wasn't winning. What has been wrong with her interviews so far.

[Voyager]

palin is the gift that keeps on giving.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl150

i still find the whole mainstream media stuff comical. perhaps palin is simply used to getting by as an alaskan politician basing her knowledge on what matters to her rather than a global knowledge and concern.

She already said she doesn't watch news channels (typical for Pentecostal extremists). She obviously doesn't know much about the political issues in the USA or abroad based on her interviews. My guess is that she has focused on getting to know Alaskan issues and that's all. Other than that, all she probably knows is what she was taught in history books in school.

[Tito]

Personally, from an issues standpoint, I don't think she did very well in the debate at all. To me, she came across as someone who didn't know the issues all that well, but had been VERY well coached on exactly what to say--and it was enough. She obviously learned well during the media blackout period.

Not disagreeing with that so much, but all politicans get preped and coached before debates. She did what she had to do as Biden did.

True, but by sidestepping many of the questions, she did little to refute anyone who had issues with her being qualified for the job. Anyone is going to get prepped and coached--and she obviously learned from it as she didn't fall on her face compared to the earlier interviews, but I saw very little "meat" in her answers on the issues, when she even addressed them.

And Obama has meat on his answers? Give me a break. Lets also not forget, she was running as VP not the President. Obama was and fail to give meaty details. That's more important.

I think the Palin effect is undecided. I know several people personally that due to McCain's age, that a vote for McCain could possibly be seen as a vote for Palin should something happen to him in the next 4 years--and they were VERY against that due to speculation about Palin's qualifications. Simply put, they were scared of the possibility of a Palin Presidency. They voted for Obama so as to NOT vote for Palin. Was it enough to make a difference on the national level? Who knows, but this was NC--which Obama won by the smallest margin of ANY state, and NC always goes Republican.

The VP candidate shouldn't matter much, but McCain's age gave an added importance to the role, and the Palin controversy didn't help him. To some extent, the race was more Obama vs. Palin than Obama vs. McCain. In the end, Palin probably lost some of the independent/uncommitted base.....and gained some hardcore Republicans, who wouldn't necessarily go for the more middle McCain. I don't know if anybody will find out which was the higher percentage.

]

Then they were stupid. The VP choice shouldn't have matter much. Odds are McCain wll be alive in 4 years. If in a worst case scenario if he died in 2 years, you don't think she wouldn't have learned something in that time. Come on. Again, the President doesn't run as much of the government as you think. Yes, they make the final call on the big decisions but the day to day operations would go smooth/no problem. This would still be a McCain administration i.e. cabinet members and appointments. The CIA would still function, samething with FBI, and the military operations would go as well as they have been . Seriously, if anything she probably would defer more to the Commanders on the ground which would be better.

Finally, what makes Obama qualified? Because he sounds smart. He has less experience of the 4 people on either ticket. In addition, if you worry about McCain being alive what about the worries (unfounded IMO) about someone getting to Obama.

I'm not saying the criticism of Palin qualifications are unfair, my point is you then need to have those same criticism of Obama because he is in the same boat.

[stevew2]

Tito, you cant your fuckin head out of her sweet ass.She is a fuckin weirdo.She doesnt read newspapers outside of Bumfuck.She getcant give a straight answer to anything.She helped Cain lose, you defending such a retard makes you even more stupid then her you fuckin cock moblie

[kgdjpubs]

True, but by sidestepping many of the questions, she did little to refute anyone who had issues with her being qualified for the job. Anyone is going to get prepped and coached--and she obviously learned from it as she didn't fall on her face compared to the earlier interviews, but I saw very little "meat" in her answers on the issues, when she even addressed them.

And Obama has meat on his answers? Give me a break. Lets also not forget, she was running as VP not the President. Obama was and fail to give meaty details. That's more important.

Compared to Palin, yes--even though I agree with you on the experience level of Obama. Biden, like him or hate him, DID have more direct answers to the questions in the debate. Palin held her own on personality alone. I think likely that she would have been torn to shreds at that point with a tough host (ie O'Reilly or similar) who would not let the people wavier onto random campaign philosophy and dodge the questions.

McCain wasn't exactly the most forthcoming in specific details either other than saying "read my lips, I'm not George Bush". Like him or not, Obama did at least give SOME specifics, and let you know where he stood.

I think the Palin effect is undecided. I know several people personally that due to McCain's age, that a vote for McCain could possibly be seen as a vote for Palin should something happen to him in the next 4 years--and they were VERY against that due to speculation about Palin's qualifications. Simply put, they were scared of the possibility of a Palin Presidency. They voted for Obama so as to NOT vote for Palin. Was it enough to make a difference on the national level? Who knows, but this was NC--which Obama won by the smallest margin of ANY state, and NC always goes Republican.

The VP candidate shouldn't matter much, but McCain's age gave an added importance to the role, and the Palin controversy didn't help him. To some extent, the race was more Obama vs. Palin than Obama vs. McCain. In the end, Palin probably lost some of the independent/uncommitted base.....and gained some hardcore Republicans, who wouldn't necessarily go for the more middle McCain. I don't know if anybody will find out which was the higher percentage.

Then they were stupid. The VP choice shouldn't have matter much. Odds are McCain wll be alive in 4 years. If in a worst case scenario if he died in 2 years, you don't think she wouldn't have learned something in that time. Seriously, if anything she probably would defer more to the Commanders on the ground which would be better.

Finally, what makes Obama qualified? Because he sounds smart. He has less experience of the 4 people on either ticket. In addition, if you worry about McCain being alive what about the worries (unfounded IMO) about someone getting to Obama.

I'm not saying the criticism of Palin qualifications are unfair, my point is you then need to have those same criticism of Obama because he is in the same boat.

I agree that Obama should have the same toughness of questions put to him. The difference was that while he and Palin may indeed have the same level of experience, it was the WAY he handled the questions. In the earlier interviews, Palin was simply out of her league (or overcoached, or whatever) and came across as totally unqualified to be on that national stage. Giving Obama his due, the guy is a natural public speaker, and I never really saw him get flustered. Doesn't mean anything about qualifications, but politics has a lot to do with how much you can trust somebody.

In politics, it isn't the truth that matters--it is the appearance of truth. Palin may in fact be more qualified than Obama, but those earlier interviews DID hurt her reputation.

You are also right about some nutcase trying to take out Obama. While maybe remote, the possibility does exist--and there are a bunch of loons out there. I think Obama was safe in the pick of Biden, but Biden does have a long history in politics and didn't really do anything to make him look incompetent during the election.

All this is irrelevant anyway. McCain never convinced the American public HOW he was going to be different from Bush, and that hurt him a lot. The economy crisis simply finished it. In a close race, Palin may have had an effect, but it wasn't a close race. She's getting far more criticism than she deserves, because there were more important issues at stake that doomed McCain than picking her.