OT: Yankees Sign Mark Teixeira

by **Saint John** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:34 pm

Enigma869 wrote:He never stole 20 in a season after that.

Fucker went from bases to Hostess trucks. :lol:

by **Enigma869** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:37 pm

Saint John wrote:Boggs was my of my hitting idols as a kid. He and Gwynn were just amazing. Rod Carew was an incredible hitter as well. Is it obvious that I bat left-handed?

I'll still take Ted Williams over all of the guys I've ever watched play. The guy's numbers were simply astonishing. Even with all the steroids, nobody has been able to come close to a .400 batting average (Williams was the last guy to do it). If guys like Gwynn, Boggs, and Brett couldn't do it, nobody ever will, in my opinion. A .400 batting average will always trump any HR records, for me.

by **conversationpc** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:39 pm

Enigma869 wrote:
Saint John wrote:Boggs was my of my hitting idols as a kid. He and Gwynn were just amazing. Rod Carew was an incredible hitter as well. Is it obvious that I bat left-handed?

I'll still take Ted Williams over all of the guys I've ever watched play. The guy's numbers were simply astonishing. Even with all the steroids, nobody has been able to come close to a .400 batting average (Williams was the last guy to do it). If guys like Gwynn, Boggs, and Brett couldn't do it, nobody ever will, in my opinion. A .400 batting average will always trump any HR records, for me.

Williams would probably be UNIVERSALLY recognized as the greatest hitter of all time if he had gotten along better with the press AND if he hadn't missed part of his best years after being drafted during WWII.

by **Saint John** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:42 pm

conversationpc wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Saint John wrote:Boggs was my of my hitting idols as a kid. He and Gwynn were just amazing. Rod Carew was an incredible hitter as well. Is it obvious that I bat left-handed?

I'll still take Ted Williams over all of the guys I've ever watched play. The guy's numbers were simply astonishing. Even with all the steroids, nobody has been able to come close to a .400 batting average (Williams was the last guy to do it). If guys like Gwynn, Boggs, and Brett couldn't do it, nobody ever will, in my opinion. A .400 batting average will always trump any HR records, for me.

Williams would probably be UNIVERSALLY recognized as the greatest hitter of all time if he had gotten along better with the press AND if he hadn't missed part of his best years after being drafted during WWII.

I'd put him at number 2 behind Babe Ruth.

by **conversationpc** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:42 pm

It's interesting to note that Williams never had 200 hits in a season. He scored a ton of runs due to his hitting and walking a ton, though, and certainly drove in a lot also.

by **RockitRide** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:11 am

1. So much for the Yankees oft stated plan to go with home grown talent!! They have just officially admitted that their organization sucks. The Red Sox had two MVP type years in '08 from two of their own farm hands and a no-hitter to boot!! Red Sox overall organization is head and shoulders above the Yankees. And the Yankees have admitted that they cannot compete on that basis.

2. As far as comparing Boggs and Gwynn with the all-time numbers from early in the 20th century, that is probably not a fair comparison. Boggs and Gwynn would have hit with Cobb if they played in his era. Both those guys are true treasures of the game.

3. Williams was the best hitter in history and if he did not serve in the military during his prime he would have easily hit well over 650 homers. Had Williams played in Yankee stadium with the short porch in right field and if he did not serve in the military he would have hit close to 800 home runs. There is no doubt about that. He hit over 300 when he was 41 in the pre-steroid era for gods sake!! And the mound was higher during his time as well. People forget that the mound was lowered a few decades ago.

4. JIM RICE SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME!! Now that the steroid era is over and we have a better idea of who the legitimate hitters were, Rice stands tall as the dominate hitter of his era.

by **RockitRide** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:16 am

Saint John wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Saint John wrote:Boggs was my of my hitting idols as a kid. He and Gwynn were just amazing. Rod Carew was an incredible hitter as well. Is it obvious that I bat left-handed?

I'll still take Ted Williams over all of the guys I've ever watched play. The guy's numbers were simply astonishing. Even with all the steroids, nobody has been able to come close to a .400 batting average (Williams was the last guy to do it). If guys like Gwynn, Boggs, and Brett couldn't do it, nobody ever will, in my opinion. A .400 batting average will always trump any HR records, for me.

Williams would probably be UNIVERSALLY recognized as the greatest hitter of all time if he had gotten along better with the press AND if he hadn't missed part of his best years after being drafted during WWII.
I'd put him at number 2 behind Babe Ruth.

Ruth was astonishing, no doubt about that. He was hitting a dead ball and riding trains to away games. You have to rate Williams and Ruth as the two best ever and just argue about who is number 1. The sad fact remains that Williams was robbed by Hitler and the Japs.

by **conversationpc** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:28 am

RockitRide wrote:4. JIM RICE SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME!! Now that the steroid era is over and we have a better idea of who the legitimate hitters were, Rice stands tall as the dominate hitter of his era.

A-freakin-men to that! He was probably the best overall hitter in the game for a stretch of about ten years from the mid 70s through the mid 80s.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:12 am

Saint John wrote:The 3 off season signings by the Yankees are laughable. They have completely forgotten what a winning formula is. Gone are the days when they signed guys like O'Neil, Knoblauch, Girardi, Cone, Tino Martinez, Brosius, and Justice to compliment their core team of Jeter, B. Williams, Rivera, Posada, Pettite, and of course their superstar signings like Clemens. How can you expect to win when the only way you are able to sign people is by offering them the most money? I remember when guys took pay cuts to come to the Yankees in hopes of the elusive ring. Wade Boggs immediately comes to mind. Until they realize that they are now just baseball's version of an ATM I suspect they will continue to stumble in the playoffs. Good, fuck them.

Dan, no one has been a more outspoken trasher of the way the yankees have been doing business over the past few years than I....and I've been a lifelong yankee fan.

However, I will say that the past three big signings are not as bad as you make them out to be. For the first time in 7 years, the Yankees will be without Meathead (Giambi), whom I felt was one of the major reasons they never won in the post season. They replaced him with a servicable first baseman with a good bat. They no longer have that useless shit Mussina, who is another reason they werent winning in the PS....and replaced him with two good arms.

While I feel the jury is out on how well CC and his belly will hold up....the yankees have made vast improvements to the team this offseason, while avoiding that cancerous douchebucket Manny Rameirez. I hope they stop at this point, because I think they have the inner workings of a team that could compete hard this year....without a prima donna psycho in Manny....

...the only thing left in order to restore balance to this team (and shed the clubhouse poison), is to find a way to get Arod to break his hip while walking into a strip club or something....Arod is the last piece of clubhouse trash left with the yankees and they were idiots to resign him last year....but I guess NYY fans have gone through longer dry spells....

by **Enigma869** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:29 am

strangegrey wrote:Dan, no one has been a more outspoken trasher of the way the yankees have been doing business over the past few years than I....and I've been a lifelong yankee fan.

However, I will say that the past three big signings are not as bad as you make them out to be. For the first time in 7 years, the Yankees will be without Meathead (Giambi), whom I felt was one of the major reasons they never won in the post season. They replaced him with a servicable first baseman with a good bat. They no longer have that useless shit Mussina, who is another reason they werent winning in the PS....and replaced him with two good arms.

While I feel the jury is out on how well CC and his belly will hold up....the yankees have made vast improvements to the team this offseason, while avoiding that cancerous douchebucket Manny Rameirez. I hope they stop at this point, because I think they have the inner workings of a team that could compete hard this year....without a prima donna psycho in Manny....

...the only thing left in order to restore balance to this team (and shed the clubhouse poison), is to find a way to get Arod to break his hip while walking into a strip club or something....Arod is the last piece of clubhouse trash left with the yankees and they were idiots to resign him last year....but I guess NYY fans have gone through longer dry spells....

Fuck...I can't believe I'm forced to do this, but I actually agree with Frank about the Yankees. The reality is that even with their three signings, their payroll is lower than it was last season, because of all the contracts they got rid of. I think Teixeira is a GREAT GREAT signing by the Yankees. Burnett will probably spend more than 50% of his entire contract on the DL, so I don't think he'll be the factor his talent says he should be. As for CC, I suspect he'll eat himself out of the league in the next three seasons. I'm still not sure any team with AROD can win. No team has ever been able to win with AROD, and I'm not convinced that it's just a coincidence.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:54 am

Enigma869 wrote:Fuck...I can't believe I'm forced to do this, but I actually agree with Frank about the Yankees. The reality is that even with their three signings, their payroll is lower than it was last season, because of all the contracts they got rid of. I think Teixeira is a GREAT GREAT signing by the Yankees. Burnett will probably spend more than 50% of his entire contract on the DL, so I don't think he'll be the factor his talent says he should be. As for CC, I suspect he'll eat himself out of the league in the next three seasons. I'm still not sure any team with AROD can win. No team has ever been able to win with AROD, and I'm not convinced that it's just a coincidence.

No, it's not a coincidence dude. The guy oozes failure. I hadn't realized it until I watched him poison the Yankees every year he's played in the bronx. With the huge amount of hits/HR's he's racked up, he should literally have twice as many RBI's on his record. The problem is that NO one is a bigger liability when the game is on the line than Arod. You compare his RBI production (while taking into consideration his solo output) to someone like a Tino, Paul or Scott...and it's abysmal.

If they win the big enchillada with Arod poisoning 3rd base, I'll eat a soiled pair of drawers courtesy of Deano...He's a useless shit that might very well increase a team's output marginally, but the negative aspects of his incredible propensity for choking in key situations, is simply too much of a burden to bear for any team.

He will historically be regarded as the Phil Mickelson of baseball (before he won his first Major) as the best player to never win the WS. He will have hall of fame numbers, likely beat the cheating shitbag from San Francisco and become the first LEGITIMATE breaker of Hank Aaron's Home Run record, he has the tools to be the first LEGITIMATE breaker of Roger Marris's home run record....

...However, he will never be on a team that is a winning team, because what he goes through to be what he is poisons the winning atmosphere around him...

Fuck gayrod, that little shit....

by **Saint John** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:27 am

Fair points from SG and JFB. My main point of contention is the Yankees failing to sign role players and guys that know how to play the game. I loved the way they used to sign clubhouse winners like O'Neil, Brosius and even Charlie hays!!! :lol:

Guys that would move a runner over from second and no outs. I remember when they signed Tim Raines in the event they needed a pinch runner, defensive replacement or big hit. The guy was at the end of his career, but he was kick ass for the Yankees. With the exception of Jeter, I don't see any guys in the lineup that "know" how to play proper baseball. And I'm still convinced that they're cursed for completely fucking over Bernie Williams and telling him they didn't have room for him on the roster. C'mon, that guy was more valuable than a cucumber in a convent.

And I'm interested to see how Sabathia does this year. There's a stat about guys that throw the most pitches and how they suck the following year. He had to throw the most pitces in baseball last year so I wanna see if history repeats itself. Burnett is gonna find himself doing what Kerry Wood does...closing. He has 2 more years as a starter left and then he'll be a closer...probably when Mariano retires. Teixeira is pure hitter and he'll always hit well, but like everyone else that the Yankees sign these days it's hard to have faith in a guy that came along simply because they were the highest bidder. I see them out in the ALCS...if they make it that far.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:38 am

Dan, what you're referring to are players that understood the gay frigaism of "there is no I in team"....

Tino, Scott, Paul, Bernie, Derek all understood that...and that is a major reason why they won so many WS championships. Replacing them with Damon, Giambi, Mussina, etc has had the effect of replacing team players with "I" players.

I think Mark Teixeira will serve a far more team player roll than Meathead...and might be a good person to inject into that clubhouse. However, the doomsayer in me still thinks that it doesn't matter who's in the clubhouse....you could have the most positive team players in all 24 spots on the roster, loaded up with Tino Martinez and Scott Brosius types...and if you fill that 25th spot with fucking Gay Rod...the entire clubhouse will be a loser den of bad shit...

by **Saint John** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:42 am

strangegrey wrote:Dan, what you're referring to are players that understood the gay frigaism of "there is no I in team"....

Tino, Scott, Paul, Bernie, Derek all understood that...and that is a major reason why they won so many WS championships. Replacing them with Damon, Giambi, Mussina, etc has had the effect of replacing team players with "I" players.

I think Mark Teixeira will serve a far more team player roll than Meathead...and might be a good person to inject into that clubhouse. However, the doomsayer in me still thinks that it doesn't matter who's in the clubhouse....you could have the most positive team players in all 24 spots on the roster, loaded up with Tino Martinez and Scott Brosius types...and if you fill that 25th spot with fucking Gay Rod...the entire clubhouse will be a loser den of bad shit...

Dude, what's your beef with Moose? That guy has always seemed like a professional to me that went out every 5 days and did his job.

And you better hope Teixeira doesn't "inject" anything in the clubhouse...that's what got you guys in hot water last time!!! :lol:

by **conversationpc** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:53 am

Saint John wrote:Dude, what's your beef with Moose? That guy has always seemed like a professional to me that went out every 5 days and did his job.

I've heard of him slamming his teammates for his own bad performances on more than one occasion. He's been a great pitcher over his career but the dude is a bad teammate.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:54 am

Saint John wrote:Dude, what's your beef with Moose? That guy has always seemed like a professional to me that went out every 5 days and did his job. And you better hope Teixeira doesn't "inject" anything in the clubhouse...that's what got you guys in hot water last time!!!

Inject...definitely a poor word choice. Forgive me! LOL

As far as Mussina, I think he's an elitist cvnt. He has been known to be tremendously patronizing and derogatory to both press and teamates. It's no surprise he routinely got the worst run support out of any pitcher during his tenure with the yankees. Keep in mind, last year was a contract year...with that exception, over the past 5 years, he's been average, at best. With a win % that's hovers in around 60%. He's a moody little bitch that brought more baggage to a team than winning.

I don't care who you are, if you're going to bring fucking baggage to a team, you'd better be putting up mad fucking numbers. It harkens back to the movie Bull Durham. "If you can win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow on your sandals. Until then, you're a slob." Mussina's fucking baggage isn't worth the 60% win record he routinely brought to the yankees.....fuck him.

Good riddance. May he go somewhere and rot for the rest of his miserable life....another douchebag that ruined the yankees for the past 7 years. Perhaps Giambi and Mussina can go off and ass fuck eachother while snorting their yankees salaries...

by **conversationpc** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:57 am

strangegrey wrote:Perhaps Giambi and Mussina can go off and ass fuck eachother while snorting their yankees salaries...

Considering Giambi's steroid abuse and, as a result, likely shrunken testicles, he will probably be receiving rather than dealing.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:02 am

conversationpc wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Perhaps Giambi and Mussina can go off and ass fuck eachother while snorting their yankees salaries...

Considering Giambi's steroid abuse and, as a result, likely shrunken testicles, he will probably be receiving rather than dealing.

That's fitting, Giambi's always been a bitch in my eyes....and Mussina has a long history of fucking his teamates...

by **Saint John** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:09 am

Well ok!!! Thanks for the clarification, guys! :lol:

It seems to me that the Yankees used to sign guys to plug holes, build a clubhouse and make their team better, but now they seem to sign players just so the Red Sox can't. What a stupid fucking philosophy.

by **conversationpc** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:11 am

I think Texeira is going to put up some big numbers in NY. Along with his bat, he is also a gold glove-caliber first basemen. This will be the best they've had at that position since Mattingly.

by **Don** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:39 am

strangegrey wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Perhaps Giambi and Mussina can go off and ass fuck eachother while snorting their yankees salaries...

Considering Giambi's steroid abuse and, as a result, likely shrunken testicles, he will probably be receiving rather than dealing.

That's fitting, Giambi's always been a bitch in my eyes....and Mussina has a long history of fucking his teamates...

Well, Mussina is a pitcher. Giambi just needs to play catcher for now on.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:48 am

conversationpc wrote:I think Texeira is going to put up some big numbers in NY. Along with his bat, he is also a gold glove-caliber first basemen. This will be the best they've had at that position since Mattingly and Martinez.

Watch it there...since Mattingly, they had Tino, who arguably, at times, put up better numbers than Mattingly...and lead the team to 4 WS rings, unlike mattingly.

Having said that, I corrected your statement for you!

by **strangegrey** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:55 am

Saint John wrote:Well ok!!! Thanks for the clarification, guys!

It seems to me that the Yankees used to sign guys to plug holes, build a clubhouse and make their team better, but now they seem to sign players just so the Red Sox can't. What a stupid fucking philosophy.

Not necessarily. While I can't disagree with you, when it's a two dog race, like it has been the last few years (except last year) signing someone to block the opponent is a fine strategy...and it's done in alot more sports than just baseball. In fact, you don't have to "sign" someone...just bid up the price on someone so that the other team expends enough resources to hamstring future moves by the team. Both the red sox and yankees have been guilty of this very thing since the red sox returned from the doldrums back in the early 2000s.

In fact, I can think of a few players that I now feel the red sox wanted no part of, but they bid up the price on them to hit the yankees in the wallet. Damon comes to mind, Pavano comes to mind...and especially gayrod. There was some whacky shit going on with GayRod when they first brought him to NY...the red sox had a deal in place that i feel both sides had zero intention of honoring...

My issue with the yankees over the past few years was signing old bats and arms for either ticket sales or because George had an enemy complex with. If you think about it, a great deal of the big signings have been players that had done damage to the yankees in the past. Wade Boggs was the first of this philosophy...but it got real bad lately, with the idiotic signing of Damon...who on paper was a fraction of the player Bernie Williams was...Jason Giambi was another. That cvntrag Mussina was another....I can go on.

I have to hope that these 3 signings mean that they're now doing the right thing...but I'm not hopeful....with Brian Cashman there, there's ALWAYS room for a steinbrenner to come in and piss in the punchbowl...

by **Arkansas** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:08 am

So when is our recession and everyone getting laid-off, etc, going to affect professional sports? How can pro athletes still get such great paychecks if everything in the economy sucks so bad?

later~

by **Uno_up** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:18 pm

Arkansas wrote:So when is our recession and everyone getting laid-off, etc, going to affect professional sports? How can pro athletes still get such great paychecks if everything in the economy sucks so bad?

later~

Because so many people are engrossed in the game, that they're willing to dish out high ticket prices, pay for A-Rod jerseys as presents to their kids, and mow down $8 hotdogs.
I never really understood the obsession by sports fans over the money athletes make. Is it an envy thing? People get so worked about guys with big contracts...I just don't get it. It's not their money. Especially fans of the richer teams. Who cares what the Yankees pay CC, Burnett or Teixeira? It's not like it's going to hamstring the team's future if one of them blows up. Players make money because some richer guy has decided he can help him get even richer. Personally, I wish it was all private info. I hate talking about it. If the money wasn't there in the first place, athletes wouldn't get paid. Why is it so bad for CC to make $23 million? Would people prefer the Steinbrenner family make an extra $23 million? Pick your poison. Frankly, I'd rather see the player making it than the owners. I don't resent the players for making a lot of money. Yeah, in a perfect world the doctors and teachers would be making millions and the Steinbrenners and Clemenses of the world would be living paycheck to paycheck. But I learned a long time ago that the world ain't perfect. There's just so many bigger things to worry about than what some fat guy in pinstripes makes. (Now a salary cap with a floor is a whole nuther issue)

by **strangegrey** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:43 am

Baseball experienced a very strange fucking growth over the past few years. I suspect that alot of it is either artificial or manufactured...which is why any other comissioner would have been thrown out on his ass for the steriods controversy and the horseshit surrounding that cheating fucker Bonds....but Selig is still behind the desk. The owners have been seeing more money than they know what to do with...and thanks to the revenue sharing that Shitlig has injected into the sport, the people that would dare throw him out on his ass for Bonds (the smaller market teams) wouldn't DARE now.

So what do we have? we have ticket prices that have gone through the roof, a beer is $10 at yankee stadium and those licensed numbered t-shirts (that I used to buy for 20-25 bucks in the late 90s, are now north of 50.

Sadly, the public seems to not give a shit...

...I suspect the coming depression will hit the Yankees the hardest, because they have been and will be the most leveraged team for years...People in Boston have been praying for a drought of yankee success for their whole lives...they just might get it. If the economy goes south as bad as I envision it will over the next year....the Yankees will have to slash it's prices on everything. They will cut broadcast costs for YES, they will cut merch and tickets....and they will have to secure loans the size of a small country's GDP in order to pay their salary expense....

by **S2M** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:45 am

strangegrey wrote:Baseball experienced a very strange fucking growth over the past few years. I suspect that alot of it is either artificial or manufactured...which is why any other comissioner would have been thrown out on his ass for the steriods controversy and the horseshit surrounding that cheating fucker Bonds....but Selig is still behind the desk. The owners have been seeing more money than they know what to do with...and thanks to the revenue sharing that Shitlig has injected into the sport, the people that would dare throw him out on his ass for Bonds (the smaller market teams) wouldn't DARE now.

So what do we have? we have ticket prices that have gone through the roof, a beer is $10 at yankee stadium and those licensed numbered t-shirts (that I used to buy for 20-25 bucks in the late 90s, are now north of 50.

Sadly, the public seems to not give a shit...

...I suspect the coming depression will hit the Yankees the hardest, because they have been and will be the most leveraged team for years...People in Boston have been praying for a drought of yankee success for their whole lives...they just might get it. If the economy goes south as bad as I envision it will over the next year....the Yankees will have to slash it's prices on everything. They will cut broadcast costs for YES, they will cut merch and tickets....and they will have to secure loans the size of a small country's GDP in order to pay their salary expense....

Who knows....maybe the Yankees won't be able to make payroll someday, and have to offer the team to certain players...a la Lemieux and the Penguins - in lieu of salary.

For starters, this luxury tax system only perpetuates keeping bad teams...bad. What incentive is there to make your team better when you can get free money from the league for sucking ass!?

by **Uno_up** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:26 pm

StocktontoMalone wrote:What incentive is there to make your team better when you can get free money from the league for sucking ass!?

That's why a floor needs to be put into place. For example, the Yanks paid out $108 million last year to the league. The smaller market fans are the one's who get screwed because most of the owners of those teams just pocket it and don't spend to their capabilities.

And honestly, I can't blame them...they are running a profitable business. When you can't blame either side, that is when you know the system is broken, because it's the fans of these smaller market teams that suffer because of the incompetitive balance.

MR

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