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[Peartree12249]

I saw the one in Memphis and I never saw anything like you are saying. The show was great, and Steve was quite sober.

Steve is in AA to this very day
One of the reasons he quit was because of D and A
So what
Every rock star in the 80s did coke
Neal was ther also

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How do you know Perry is in AA? Do you go to the same meetings?
I've never read anything where Perry admitted to going to rehab or being in a 12-Step program.
Although it wouldn't suprise me if he had.


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[artist4perry]

I saw the one in Memphis and I never saw anything like you are saying. The show was great, and Steve was quite sober.

Steve is in AA to this very day
One of the reasons he quit was because of D and A
So what
Every rock star in the 80s did coke
Neal was ther also

How do you know Perry is in AA? Do you go to the same meetings?
I've never read anything where Perry admitted to going to rehab or being in a 12-Step program.
Although it wouldn't suprise me if he had.


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I am just wondering how people know all this personal stuff on Perry? I too have never heard he had a serious problem with anything. And I have joked about drugs becaus people see my art and assume that is why my stuff is so different. Fact is I never tried them, I never will.
It does bug me when people make such statements without showing me where their facts come from. Because people did coke, does that mean everyone did coke? I never did. At that point if you have not read an article where he said he had a problem, or have first hand personal knowledge of the man and his life, it becomes rummor. And a bit of an ugly one at that.
Now having that said, does that mean I think he could not have? No. I just think without proof, it should not be said.

[Vladan]

The percussions in RoR could anyone pull off. I mean; Journey would do better picking up a random trannie and hire her for a few nights, telling her: "ok honeybunny. Just take these to sticks and pound this drum every sec", and there you basicly have RoR's drumming. But hey, it's all good

Lol, welcome to the board.

Yes, well I'm pretty sure the biggest mistake Perry ever made in his career as a Journey front man, was firing Smith, and Valory. The reason it was so strange is because the band had a winning formula with their previous 2 albums, Frontiers, Escape (Journey most successful records to date) among the fans, and general public. Smith's departure was totally crazy, it was as if Perry's 80's hair got so big it consumed is his mind and body, look at that thing, seriously weighs at least 10 kilos, and I am surprised he got through airport security, carrying that.


OK, and some would argue that Ross is replaceable and so on, but because nothing was broken originally - why go on and break it, did Perry lose the plot?. And I don't think firing them two would of made the album any better, in fact Journey probably lost a lot of fans and recognition because of a such drastic move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY7j_u6knlg

[Jana]

Almost my exact thoughts verbatim. Musically, I find ROR to be dreadful. Perry clearly grabbed the spotlight with both hands and fixated it upon himself, allowing Neal and Jon few moments to truly shine. Fortunately, the man delivered on the vocals and I find it to be Perry's finest vocal album, which saves it from being forgotten altogether. From a musical standpoint, I believe Jackson was an improvement over Randy, but it's not as though Journey survived on bass playing heroics. Smith's departure is even more inexcusable.

I think Evolution is Perry's best, and that's solely based upon Sweet and Simple. But you're pretty much spot on man. Valory should be fired a long time ago. I'm pretty sure he's in the band still, cause Neal knows he'll loose a lot of fans when they can't get to experience "Ross Valory and his amazing rubber face" live. The percussions in RoR could anyone pull off. I mean; Journey would do better picking up a random trannie and hire her for a few nights, telling her: "ok honeybunny. Just take these to sticks and pound this drum every sec", and there you basicly have RoR's drumming. But hey, it's all good

I don't think they would lose any fans solely b/c of Ross being gone, not one. But I believe Neal actually can be loyal, and he's loyal to Ross as far as being together all these years. Too bad he caved in on ROR. Total wimp-out to make Steve Perry happy and get the record made. Talk about a man losing control of a band he was a founding member of, allowing Ross and more so Steve Smith, an integral part of Journey, to be fired to appease Steve Perry. But none of that infighting stops me from loving the vocals on ROR.

[Peartree12249]

The percussions in RoR could anyone pull off. I mean; Journey would do better picking up a random trannie and hire her for a few nights, telling her: "ok honeybunny. Just take these to sticks and pound this drum every sec", and there you basicly have RoR's drumming. But hey, it's all good

Lol, welcome to the board.

Yes, well yeah ROR is probably my favorite JRNY album next to the re-packaged Frontiers . I'm pretty sure the biggest mistake Perry ever made in his career as a Journey front man, was firing Smith, and Valory. The reason it was so strange is because the band had a winning formula with their previous 2 albums, Frontiers, Escape (Journey most successful records to date) among the fans, and general public.


OK, some would argue that Ross is replaceable and so on, but because nothing was broken originally - why go on and break it, did Perry lose the plot. And I don't think firing them two would of made the album any better, in fact Journey probably lots a lot of fans and recognition because of a such drastic move.

At the risk of sounding like I'm spouting psychobabble, IMO Perry's controlling behavior while making ROR seems like a manifestation of his need to control his life, which was out of control during this time. His relationship with his girlfriend was ending, his mother was dying a slow, horrible death from a neurological disorder and he's working with an admitted alcoholic. The only thing he could control was the music. Perry admitted that firing Ross and Steve was a mistake and in retrospect he wishes he hadn't done it. I guess we need to walk a mile in his shoes.

[Jana]

The percussions in RoR could anyone pull off. I mean; Journey would do better picking up a random trannie and hire her for a few nights, telling her: "ok honeybunny. Just take these to sticks and pound this drum every sec", and there you basicly have RoR's drumming. But hey, it's all good

Lol, welcome to the board.

Yes, well yeah ROR is probably my favorite JRNY album next to the re-packaged Frontiers . I'm pretty sure the biggest mistake Perry ever made in his career as a Journey front man, was firing Smith, and Valory. The reason it was so strange is because the band had a winning formula with their previous 2 albums, Frontiers, Escape (Journey most successful records to date) among the fans, and general public.


OK, some would argue that Ross is replaceable and so on, but because nothing was broken originally - why go on and break it, did Perry lose the plot. And I don't think firing them two would of made the album any better, in fact Journey probably lots a lot of fans and recognition because of a such drastic move.

At the risk of sounding like I'm spouting psychobabble, IMO Perry's controlling behavior while making ROR seems like a manifestation of his need to control his life, which was out of control during this time. His relationship with his girlfriend was ending, his mother was dying a slow, horrible death from a neurological disorder and he's working with an admitted alcoholic. The only thing he could control was the music. Perry admitted that firing Ross and Steve was a mistake and in retrospect he wishes he hadn't done it. I guess we need to walk a mile in his shoes.

Or maybe the reason was more simplistic - he became a prima donna as he gained more power within the band. But all I know is he sang my favorite song of all time on that album, Why Can't This Night Go On Forever, and his vocals were flat-out amazing on that song.

[Peartree12249]

Well we can agree to disagree on the first point but I definitely agree with you on the second Its a beautiful song masterfully sung.

[SherriBerry]

I saw the one in Memphis and I never saw anything like you are saying. The show was great, and Steve was quite sober.

Steve is in AA to this very day
One of the reasons he quit was because of D and A
So what
Every rock star in the 80s did coke
Neal was ther also

There is a big difference between drinking too much after a concert (I saw the interview too) and being wasted through an entire tour. One joke about drugs does not constitute proof that someone is a cocaine user - that is just ridiculous.

Really
How many non coke users joke about there drugs kicking in?
I disagree
You Pratice what you preach..

A couple of people here have suggested SP had a cocaine habit during the ROR tour, but Herbie was on that tour with the band. He has thrown every criticism in the book at Steve Perry and has mentioned both Neal and Ross's past cocaine use in interviews - if he had that to throw at SP, don't you think he would have? If Herbie has never made that accusation, then I doubt there is any credibility to it.

Use your head man
1986 was cocaines biggest time
I think that was when Belushi went down
Heck I did it in 86 so what
If your still doing it today you have a problem
Steve Perry is not drinking or doing drugs today and that all that matters[/quote]

First of all, I have never read any reliable source that claims Steve Perry is in AA, so without some factual basis for this, you are doing nothing more than spreading a rumour. On what are you basing this assertion? The fact that many did cocaine in the 80s, including yourself, is irrelevant - it does not substantiate a basis for SP having a cocaine problem, nor does it mean that everyone must have done it also. I grew up in the 80s too and not everyone tried cocaine - sorry to burst your bubble. Given the extreme lengths SP went to on tour to protect his voice, the idea that he would damage his sinuses by snorting cocaine is not likely. Is it possible he was using some kind of stimulant? Perhaps. But without any reliable proof whatsoever, drug and alcohol addiction is a pretty serious accusation to throw at him and no one who was there has ever done so publicly.

Herbie once mentioned SP used to "Shanghai" a cousin for drugs when he was a teenager, but he got serious and knew he needed to protect his voice - Herbie never mentioned drug use once SP started his career or while he was with Journey. By the way, people make silly jokes all of the time - if you assume every joke is based in fact, you are taking them too seriously.