Steve Perry Tour

[Monker]

If/ When Steve Perry tours what do you think his set list would look like.

This:

LMFAO!

Thats just mean!!!

And dumb.

It may be dumb...but, he's correct.

[Ftloperry]

What would be Steve's playlist be if he toured again.....

Hmmm let's see....

What shall I sing
What shall I sing
What shall I sing...... decisions decisions

[Babyblue]

What would be Steve's playlist be if he toured again.....

Hmmm let's see....

What shall I sing
What shall I sing
What shall I sing...... decisions decisions

[annpea]

If/ When Steve Perry tours what do you think his set list would look like.

This:

[skinsguy]

First, I wouldn't try to conjure intent from text. It's a false science; text lacks intonation or nuance, preventing you, me, and anyone else not named Jesus Christ from understanding what I meant.

So then why post anything?

Second, this whole response is littered with blanket statements and assumptions on your part. You're not qualified to dictate policy to the rest of us and you don't even bother using qualifiers (e.g. "I think" or "in my opinion"); some would interpret that as smug.

You’re just as guilty in doing the same thing Gideon. You throw up quite a few blanket statements in quite a few of your posts, and then when someone disagrees with you, you suddenly become threatened and have to get into a argument of wits. Just like my comment saying that there are many fans ( and I do know this to be fact) that would go to a Perry concert to hear more than Journey songs from him, you suddenly felt threatened and posted a very smug comment and I quote, “I'd love to know how you wanting Perry to sing solo songs "in addition to a few Journey ones" proves me wrong.” Now, maybe you have too big of an ego to admit that your opinions are just opinions and not fact. However, it is fact that I have been associated with Journey, and their fans for many, many years and have contributed to many different conversations pertaining to not just the band as a whole, but each individual band member. And yes, there has been many songs from Steve Perry’s solo albums that quite a few people, past and present from this board as well as others, that have stated they would absolutely love to hear those songs live from Perry (Melody, Captured By The Moment, Anyway, etc…just to name a few.)

I never made the argument that people are going to see Steve Perry for solo songs alone. I have no idea where you ever got that idea, but you have completely misunderstood my point.

First of all, anybody who loves Journey wants to see Perry on stage again.

This is the first of the many blanket statements you make and yet are not qualified to issue with any given authority. I would ask "who are you to decide who is and isn't a Journey fan", but I'd imagine I'd get no response.

I am a Journey fan, whether you like it or not, and I couldn't give two shits about seeing Steve Perry return to the stage. Ideally, it would be nice, but only if he could sing akin to how he used to. If he performs like the aging asthmatic that some of his latest releases suggest, his name being "Steve Perry" and former station as a vocal god wouldn't save him from my scorn or my disdain.

But, then again, I'm not one of the many people with my head crammed so far up Mr. Perry's ass that we chew with the same set of teeth (not that you are, either, but those people are out there).

I stand by what I have said and I will also return the same favor. Who are you to decide what others think about Perry/Journey? You also do not possess such authority, so I suggest you pipe down on the ego. Most of us here have been following this band much longer than you probably have been alive on this planet. If you have distain for the man, that’s your own fault. I’m not emotionally attached to any of these guys, other than their art. And, contrary to the picture you are trying to paint, I do not have my head crammed up Mr. Perry’s ass, so I suggest you refrain from such nonsense accusations. I serve as devil’s advocate here, and I read a lot of one sided nonsense from quite a few people here, such as yourself, and I try desperately to get you guys to think outside of the box. Unfortunately, it usually doesn’t work.

Those who say they don't either are new fans of the band, plain out stupid, too young to know either way, or they are plain out lying.

I'm none of the above. And this is the second blanket statement from you that you're not qualified to make.

And again, I stand by my statement because I was here long before you were here and I know that quite a few personalities here and those who have come and gone, were all desperately wanting Perry to come back to the band. Even a few of those people thought they had “inside info” on a return of Perry back to the band. Since then, several have changed their stories in order to “fit in”. I really can care less where you fit in, because you are obviously oblivious to what I’m referring to, but others here know good and well what I am talking about.

Secondly, wanting to see Perry front Journey again does not disprove what I have stated before about Perry singing solo album songs.

No one said it did. But you said you'd love to see him perform live "in addition to some Journey songs." Clearly, if you had it your way, he wouldn't just sing his solo material. Neither, so it seems, would the general public.

You’re trying to say that I made the comment that people ONLY want to hear Perry do his solo stuff. That is not what I said. I said that there are people who would go to a Perry concert to hear both his solo work AND Journey songs. You are trying to make it sound as if I said that there Perry fans who would care less if he sang any Journey songs in concert. I’m not an idiot, Gideon, so stop talking down to me. My point is this: if someone is going to see Steve Perry in concert, then that someone is obviously going to know his solo work. Chances are, they are going to have Street Talk or at least his greatest hits CD. You will have those who are going to hear him sing Faithfully or Separate Ways, but there are many who would enjoy hearing Perry sing the phone book, and would be just as entertained if he did a concert of at least 70% solo work, 30% Journey stuff. And, that was in reference to your earlier blanket statement when YOU said nobody gives a shit about Perry’s solo albums. That is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black, so again I say, pipe down on the ego.

Would I like to see Perry sing with Journey again? Sure! But I would also love to see Perry do a solo tour singing his solo stuff, because there are a lot of great songs that are on his solo albums.

Yes, and I think there are a lot of great songs on Arrival and Revelation; compared to what is considered "classic Journey", though, the public doesn't care. And so is the case with Street Talk and For the Love of Strange Medicine. The truth is in the numbers; the public is primarily concerned with a Steve Perry fronted Journey, not Steve Perry himself. And this is when he had the benefit of putting albums out during Journey's media and cultural heyday.

If the general, generic music listener knows Journey, and knows that Steve Perry is the voice that song on those classics, then if Perry comes out on tour or releases new material, then they are not going to care if he’s still touring with Journey. If they know his voice, they are going to go to his concerts. You’re making it sound as if he is a complete nobody in the music biz without Journey, and this is not the case. Ask musicians and other artists in the biz and see what they say about Steve Perry. I think you would come to find that your analysis is incorrect.

Because you don't agree with me does not make you right, it just means you don't appreciate this band's history and it's former band members like I do.

This is the third blanket statement you've made that you're not qualified to make.

I don’t care, I felt good saying it and it’s not really a blanket statement. You think you’re right with everything you post. I disagree. If you can’t handle that, I can’t help you.

What this means is that I manage to be a Steve Perry without becoming a malignant growth on his ass cheeks. In contrast, you've demonstrated in the NealmutherfuckingSchon thread that all you intend to do is espouse Perry apologia; whining about invisible attacks and people disrespecting his contributions to the band. In short, you demonstrate selective vision and an extreme bias. No one denies that the man is a fantastic vocalist who was a major factor in the band's success. But the facts also show that he was an egomaniacal asshole who cost the band a great deal of time, money, and creativity because, for whatever reason, he lacked their stamina.

Whhooaa son, do you even read? Invisible attacks? If you’re referring to the Neal Schon thread, I read plenty of posts where one could not give credit to Schon without putting Perry down. My whole point in THAT thread is to respect all of those contributing band members. Funny how you ignore that fact when you’re trying to pump up your own ego. And I also said that watching the Behind The Music special and anointing that as the end all gospel truth is being very unwise. As I have stated before, ALL of the major players associated with this band, Perry, Schon, Cain, and HH shared in the guilt. Yet, you keep going back to assuming that if someone stands up for Perry in the hopes of making people see everything equally, you pen them as some sort of Steve Perry apologist. I serve as devil’s advocate as stated earlier. I look at the big picture in all of this, and try to get others to see it as well. But, there are people like you who are armed and ready to shoot anybody down who doesn’t go along with the crowd.

And saying people don't give a shit about Perry's solo stuff is a dumb statement to make .

This is the fourth blanket statement you've made that you're not qualified to make.

Are you hoping to win some sort of prize for counting blanket statements? Ah, I see what it is. If you don’t agree with it, then it must be a blanket statement. There ya go, what am I up to now, 5 or 6?

What's dumb is that you ignore two critical points. First, I said "comparatively." Second, the statement is proven by the record sales. Journey's sold 45 million albums in the US and 75 million, allegedly, across the globe. Tell me how much Perry sold by himself. I'd be shocked if it reached double digits at all. The bottom line? The general public care more about "the classic Journey", a line up which includes Perry, but is not limited to him.

What freakin’ point are you trying to get out, Gideon? This all stems back to what I said earlier about people wanting to hear Perry’s solo stuff in addition to Journey stuff in concert. And, now you’re so upset over that simple statement that you want to start comparing record sales. How many solo records did Schon sale? Cain? The bottom line is, you just made another blanket statement. The general public probably doesn’t really give a rat’s ass about either Journey or Steve Perry to be honest. They would much rather listen to Nickelback or Britney Spears, or even the next American Idol winner.

Just because Perry played a few Journey songs on his tour does not mean it was because people didn't like his solo stuff.

I didn't say they didn't like it. I said they preferred classic Journey.

I never said they didn’t Gideon. I just basically said that people who are going to a Steve Perry concert have solo songs they would love to hear live.

Every lead singer of a popular rock band that tours as a solo act is going to perform songs from his/her band with the exception of maybe a few singers. That does not mean fans don't want to hear the solo stuff. It just means that it is expected of them to perform a few of those songs. Perry performed quite a few of his solo stuff in concert.

Not sure how this is relevant, since you've clearly misunderstood my premise.

Because all along, you have tried to make it sound as if I am saying people are going to a Perry concert to only listen to his solo stuff.

Inversely, he also performed solo stuff when he last toured with Journey.

At the behest of Herbie Herbert. Not because the masses were screaming for "Oh Sherrie" as opposed to "Open Arms."

And again, I say, the band performed Perry’s solo stuff in concert. And, were you actually at each and every concert? Who are you to say the fans didn’t enjoy the band performing these songs?

With all due respect, you clearly don't understand my argument. And you're hellbent on making blanket statements you can't support. So I'm not sure how this matters.

What’s there not to understand? You hate Steve Perry and anybody who disagrees with you are completely wrong at all times. That pretty much sums up the majority of your posts here at MR.

[Gideon]

Yeah, I don't even know where to begin. You've misunderstood the contention from the get-go, you've crossed wires and continue to shit out blanket statement after blanket statement when you lack the authority to do so, and you're trolling. I'm not interested in getting into a pissing contest with you. The contention was that I think most people want to hear Perry sing Journey songs.

Proof is in the pudding: Journey's album sales: 75 million. Steve Perry's: 3 million? Colossal difference. The general public, comparatively, don't give a shit about Steve Perry's solo work.

[WykkedSensation]

Just thought i would chime in here if i may...
If Perry ever tours again, which i am sure he won't, i would dearly love to hear 1hr and 30mins of Steve Perry solo material, and NO Journey at all. I know it would never happen, but that is what i would love.
I have said it before that if i want to hear Journey material i will go and see the band commonly known as Journey, no matter who the heck is fronting them.

[Ehwmatt]

Just thought i would chime in here if i may...
If Perry ever tours again, which i am sure he won't, i would dearly love to hear 1hr and 30mins of Steve Perry solo material, and NO Journey at all. I know it would never happen, but that is what i would love.
I have said it before that if i want to hear Journey material i will go and see the band commonly known as Journey, no matter who the heck is fronting them.

I'd need a 50-50 mix at minimum unless the tickets were like absurdly cheap (no more than $30). I like his solo stuff, but not enough to want to hear it exclusively if he's up on stage. What I'd really love is if the 50% Journey was mostly deep cuts, things off TBF and the like. That'd be great.

[SF-Dano]

If/ When Steve Perry tours what do you think his set list would look like.

This:

Just like what Neal's checkbook would look like if HH hadn't forced SP into his life. Before that Journey was playing fusion/prog crap for burned out hippies.

ya, musical music sucks. lets stick with the I V vi IV ( I do like that progression, but come on)

Yea! God forbid there should be any musicianship in ... music.

[Ehwmatt]

If/ When Steve Perry tours what do you think his set list would look like.

This:

Just like what Neal's checkbook would look like if HH hadn't forced SP into his life. Before that Journey was playing fusion/prog crap for burned out hippies.

ya, musical music sucks. lets stick with the I V vi IV ( I do like that progression, but come on)

Yea! God forbid there should be any musicianship in ... music.

Madsplash is a buffoon.

[madsplash]

If/ When Steve Perry tours what do you think his set list would look like.

This:

Just like what Neal's checkbook would look like if HH hadn't forced SP into his life. Before that Journey was playing fusion/prog crap for burned out hippies.

ya, musical music sucks. lets stick with the I V vi IV ( I do like that progression, but come on)

Yea! God forbid there should be any musicianship in ... music.

Madsplash is a buffoon.

And you're a joke.

[madsplash]

If/ When Steve Perry tours what do you think his set list would look like.

This:

Just like what Neal's checkbook would look like if HH hadn't forced SP into his life. Before that Journey was playing fusion/prog crap for burned out hippies.

ya, musical music sucks. lets stick with the I V vi IV ( I do like that progression, but come on)

Yea! God forbid there should be any musicianship in ... music.

Journey is one of the most MUSICAL bands ever. They're musicianship is as good or better than any fusion or progressive bands. And what makes them better is they used that to create memorable songs that people relate to. Most fusion is excellent musicianship, but without the great melodies. That was my point. I agree that there should be musicianship in music. That's why I hate almost every new band that's come out in the last 10-15 years. They can't write, play or sing.

[Arkansas]

Why does everyone assume tour, tour, tour. What f'ing tour?
At best he'll do a couple nights in Vegas and then go back to the beach.
Almost end of story.

Journey will call, and Perry will jump on it, then back out, then agree to something.
A year later, the band will have played maybe four times.
Then everyone bails.
End of story.

Perry again goes back to the beach.
Cain goes solo & produces.
Castronovo goes into manufacturing.
Valory goes back to the Hive.
Schon last seen in Manilla.


later~

[journey361]

A THOUGHT: Maybe Perry should schedule like 3, 4 5 or 6 dates in geographic locations, charge like 150.00-200.00 per ticket. He then could take all the cash and send it to Neil in a huge box or monster suitcase with a carved message of love on it. (Don't open untill your next divorce is final (No. 4 OR 5) your pal Steve: LOL, P.S. Now who cracked who's stone bitch.

[Gideon]

A THOUGHT: Maybe Perry should schedule like 3, 4 5 or 6 dates in geographic locations, charge like 150.00-200.00 per ticket. He then could take all the cash and send it to Neil in a huge box or monster suitcase with a carved message of love on it. (Don't open untill your next divorce is final (No. 4 OR 5) your pal Steve: LOL, P.S. Now who cracked who's stone bitch.

Not a particularly good one.

[journey361]

I never said it was good, just said it was a thought. Hell, didn't Adam Sandler say that to Bob Barker on their way to the 15th in the Pro-AM.?

[Deacon]

I never said it was good, just said it was a thought. Hell, didn't Adam Sandler say that to Bob Barker on their way to the 15th in the Pro-AM.?

Didn't Adam Sandler get the hell beaten out of himself by Bob Barker, too?

[journey361]

Yea, your right, he did. I meant to say that but a 49, my brain tends to become robotic.

[Deacon]

Yea, your right, he did. I meant to say that but a 49, my brain tends to become robotic.

All brains do that. I'm 16 and I suffer from that constantly.

[KDOUBLEU]

Yea, your right, he did. I meant to say that but a 49, my brain tends to become robotic.

All brains do that. I'm 16 and I suffer from that constantly.

If thats happening to you at 16 your in big trouble once you hit your forties boy.

[journey361]

Your 16 and your a Journey fan, Steve Perry fan, or all the above or neither?

[Deacon]

Yea, your right, he did. I meant to say that but a 49, my brain tends to become robotic.

All brains do that. I'm 16 and I suffer from that constantly.

If thats happening to you at 16 your in big trouble once you hit your forties boy.

[Deacon]

Your 16 and your a Journey fan, Steve Perry fan, or all the above or neither?

Both.

Journey more so than Steve Perry.

[journey361]

Where's Gideon, i need him in here to straighten me up, i'm pissed because of these dam rumors of Perry's voice being toast. That dam touring thanks to HH, Sony or whomever that they demanded has deprived me of my hero's craft. LOL:

[KDOUBLEU]

Where's Gideon, i need him in here to straighten me up, i'm pissed because of these dam rumors of Perry's voice being toast. That dam touring thanks to HH, Sony or whomever that they demanded has deprived me of my hero's craft. LOL:

Do you mean dam like Im building a Dam or Damn Im Pissed Damn. Just wondering.

[journey361]

Is there anyway i could choose both of them, i sometimes like to fish too.

[KDOUBLEU]

Any way You Want it.