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Postby shaneslatts » Sat May 02, 2009 4:15 am

madsplash wrote:
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Liquid_Drummer wrote:The only problem with religion is that man has misinterpreted it on such a gross scale that we build 40 million dollar churches. We have one here in louisville, ky that is commonly called "Six Flags Over Jesus". Im sorry, spending 40 million on a building of worship just to make it look high tech, huge and pretty is an insult to religion and an example of how man has twisted it. They could have spent 10 million instead, still had a nice building and given the money to missions, shelters and educational programs.


Your exactly right. I am of the opinion that much in 'religion' is open game for all kinds of criticism. Heck, Christians do it all the time. And Maher, and those that kind of support his views have the right in being critical of much of Christianity self indulgence.
I find nothing 'holy' about turning a simple faith in the Son of God and turning it into some sort of amusement park. That being said, its obvious that defining God , or 'proving Him' to a non believer is just impossible.
Any honest Christan would tell you that having faith in Jesus Christ was a 'supernatural event" that took place in their life, for lack of better words
Well, how can you explain a 'super natural event' to someone who wasn't there? You cant, And I know the argument that is used'well, I had a supernatural event with the Easter bunny" ha ha ho ho "cue Bill snickering and the audience as well"
Sorry, but a man dying on a cross for sin and revealing Himself to me just isnt the same.
I could sit Bill Maher in a chair and ask him to explain the love he might have for his mother. And in a condescending way, look at him and say 'oh come on Bill, EXPLAIN it, prove it. Well he might say, its an emotion a 'feeling' I have...I would then say..oh yes ...an emotion...yes.....(cue for the audience snicker)
You see, he cant explain it, to Bill his love is just 'there'. It would be easy to mock his professed 'love", his "emotion", but I would be a real arrogant, self serving fool to do so.
See what I mean?


I see what you're trying to say, Shane. But I bet Bill would just tell you that he can see and touch his Mom, so he has no problem professing his love for her. Doesn't make him a bad person, just different from some other people.


And I understand what your tryin to say as well. But I'm not talking about Bill's ability to reach out and touch his mom, or even look at her picture. I'm saying Bill could no more use logic to explain the emotion of the love he would have for his mom then one could truly explain how God revealed Himself to someone else.. And for me to mock him, or anyone else for the 'emotion" he would have for his mom, this'thing' that cant be proven called 'love', would be pretty cruel. One could do that and with an audience of other non feeling people make Marher look like a fool
That is what I'm referring to. And I'm not saying Bill Marher is a bad person. To differing extents , we are are ALL"bad' people. I'm sure Bill Mrher loves his family and takes care of his friends. Problem is he cant prove love. And it would be cruel to mock him for his inability to logically explain his inability to do so. Plus, there's not a lot of money in doing so.
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Postby Greg » Sat May 02, 2009 5:21 am

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Jana wrote:Are you saying all nonbelievers live their lives without limits, without morals and without any regards for their fellow man?


Nope, and I don't believe I said ALL nonbelievers live their lives without limits, without morals, and without any regards for their fellow man. I said it is easier to be a nonbeliever AND to live life without limits, without morals, and without any regards for their fellow man.

Greg, that might be what you meant, but it is not what you said. You said "easy", which made it sound like all non believers lived their lives without limits etc.

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Wow, gee.... doesn't feel so good to feel as if you're being lumped into one big category does it? Do you see my point now? This is what Bill Maher does to all religious people on a regular basis. He thinks of everyone of faith as brain washed robots...and I wouldn't doubt there are people on the board who agrees with him. However, that is basically exhibiting the same type of ignorance that racists exhibit. In fact, it is no different from racism.
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Postby Duncan » Sat May 02, 2009 6:03 am

Greg wrote:
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Jana wrote:Are you saying all nonbelievers live their lives without limits, without morals and without any regards for their fellow man?


Nope, and I don't believe I said ALL nonbelievers live their lives without limits, without morals, and without any regards for their fellow man. I said it is easier to be a nonbeliever AND to live life without limits, without morals, and without any regards for their fellow man.

Greg, that might be what you meant, but it is not what you said. You said "easy", which made it sound like all non believers lived their lives without limits etc.

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Wow, gee.... doesn't feel so good to feel as if you're being lumped into one big category does it? Do you see my point now? This is what Bill Maher does to all religious people on a regular basis. He thinks of everyone of faith as brain washed robots...and I wouldn't doubt there are people on the board who agrees with him. However, that is basically exhibiting the same type of ignorance that racists exhibit. In fact, it is no different from racism.


I haven't seen the film but even if "everyone of faith is a brainwashed robot" is a fair reflection of his views I don't think you can make a comparison with racists.

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Postby Sarah » Sat May 02, 2009 2:33 pm

Greg wrote:He thinks of everyone of faith as brain washed robots...and I wouldn't doubt there are people on the board who agrees with him. However, that is basically exhibiting the same type of ignorance that racists exhibit. In fact, it is no different from racism.

I dind it hard to believe you know exactly what Bill Maher thinks about "everyone of faith". Nowhere in the movie (which I'm sure you didn't even see) does he indicate that he thinks that everyone is a robot. He's just against organized religion and how its leaders manipulate the people into violence, blind faith, and so forth, and he seems to wish that people wouldn't take holy texts word for word. I'd recommend that you see it before commenting, but I'm sure your biases against Maher and the subject won't help you see it any different.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat May 02, 2009 2:35 pm

i see a spelling issue
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Postby S2M » Tue May 05, 2009 2:48 am

The problem with organised religion is it isn't subject to falsification. The powers that be cannot answer the hardball questions. 'Just take it on faith' they say. Its all comes down to 'faith'.

Imagine this scene:

Employee: And just how much will be taken out of my pay each week?
Employer: Ahh...about 3%, give or take.
Employee: Can I get that in writing?
Employer: Nah, but you can trust me. I have it on good authority from the big man in charge. Have faith, man.

You wouldn't accept the faith answer in any other aspect of your life. But when it comes to the Imaginary friend for Adults - anything goes.
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Postby Greg » Tue May 05, 2009 7:03 am

Sarah wrote:
Greg wrote:He thinks of everyone of faith as brain washed robots...and I wouldn't doubt there are people on the board who agrees with him. However, that is basically exhibiting the same type of ignorance that racists exhibit. In fact, it is no different from racism.

I dind it hard to believe you know exactly what Bill Maher thinks about "everyone of faith". Nowhere in the movie (which I'm sure you didn't even see) does he indicate that he thinks that everyone is a robot. He's just against organized religion and how its leaders manipulate the people into violence, blind faith, and so forth, and he seems to wish that people wouldn't take holy texts word for word. I'd recommend that you see it before commenting, but I'm sure your biases against Maher and the subject won't help you see it any different.


Judgmental much?

If Bill Maher is against organized religion, how do you think he is going to view those who follow it? It doesn't take a rocket scientist, Sarah. Shheeesshh! I have been following Mr. Maher for quite a few years. Trust me, I KNOW what Bill Maher thinks about religious people. And no, I didn't view the movie. Do you actually think I would want to sit through a movie that humiliates me for having religious faith? Do you actually think I would want to help make the man who made the movie even richer than what he already is? I'm not a fool!

And never has any church I ever attended manipulated me or anyone else in the congregation into violence. Bill Maher is not an expert on holy texts, so he has no say in how people should accept the teachings of the Qu'ran or the Holy Bible. If people believe everything in either text has 100% truth, that is their right. If Bill Maher hates religion that much, the first thing he needs to do is to shut up about it. The more publicity he gives it, good or bad, the stronger it becomes.

I'd recommend that you start attending a good bible believing, fundamental church and turn off Bill Maher. But, I'm sure your biases against Christian people and their fundamental faith won't help you to see us any differently.
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Postby Carla777 » Tue May 05, 2009 7:13 am

Duncan wrote:I haven't seen this film, but I would be interested to know if this guy is making fun of religion or just questioning it? If the latter i have no issue with that at all. Religion should be challenged at every opportunity.

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:) Agree with that statement..at least Religion should be cuestioned..for me blind faith only makes people sheeps..
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Postby Carla777 » Tue May 05, 2009 7:13 am

stevew2 wrote:i see a spelling issue


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Postby artist4perry » Tue May 05, 2009 9:32 am

Bill is free to state his oppinions, and make his movies. I am free to ignore both the oppinions and the movies.

And madsplash, where I respect your right to beleive or not to belieive, it seems you have a problem respecting those who do. Because you beleive in God does not make you lacking in intellect. Ben Stein is a brilliant man, and beleives in God. (I think he is Jewish?) Many inteligent people do.

It is true that a Christian makes an easy target.........we are supposed to love our enemies. :wink:

A genius does not mock others. He has no need to. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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