Journey- Tucson AZ

[Chubby321]

What I don't understand though is why would grown and supposedly rational men allow the actions of other people i.e. the band bring out the worst in them? They basically allowed the alleged douchebagness of Journey band members to bring back the douchebags in them.

Music is emotional. People grow up with favourite bands. They love certain bands. When Journey fucked over their faithful fans by lip syncing and then firing two good guy singers, basically shitting on them on their way out the door, it can be expected for people to be pissed.

You want to see pissed? Just wait til Pineda gets the boot. You Pinoys are going to blow about a million gaskets.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

,,,and if indeed it happens, I can assure you that the Pineda die hards (pinheads, as you call them) will make the loonest of the loons blush at what they are capable of doing.

I think Pineda will dump them before they dump him. They've got him singing off key, which isn't natural for his voice. Journey's not Cold Play, who even detunes in the studio. This is bullshit. Most fans might not notice but the singer will. I think this attempt to save his voice will end up doing more damage than good. You detune when you can't hit the notes consistently, like Perry did on his solo tour. You don't detune just for the hell of it. I have always advocating cutting back on the touring rather than detuning. Better to give an A+ effort while you're still capable rather then a bunch of average performances that you know you could do better at, if it weren't for being milked by your employers.

There is no way Pineda will dump Journey. People from where we came from only get one (if at all) opportunity like this. There is no way we're letting go

Maybe I will be one of the few who will have no hard feelings towards Journey if they let go of Arnel. I might get a hurt a little but will never hate. Neal went for the talent and looked passed his ethnicity, entrusted him with their music and that should never be forgotten, a chance that's hard to come by, a chance like no other. If they parted ways, well, SHIT HAPPENS. In the end, Arnel will be living comfortably and will be set for life.

Now about Pineda dumping Journey, just in case he did, he will be crucified by the same people who didn't like him in the first place; he will be the most ungrateful person in the whole world.

You're wrong. People would see it as karma for the band, considering the situation with their previous two singers. Many people expressing dis-satisfaction with Arnel are actually channeling their anger at Neal and Jon through an easier target, which is Pineda.

Which is not fair? NO?

I still stand by my statement. There will be post after post here that he should have not been hired in the first place, that he got nerve to leave the band, etc, etc.

And GB, I am right.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

I gotta quote this statement as well, because frankly, I find it somewhat unsettling. What does the fact that Arnel used to be homeless have to do with the band effing him over? Why would that be any worse than giving your singer a break 'for health reasons' and actually moving on to someone else with no intention of bringing him back? Or even worse yet, firing a singer and not bothering to tell him, instead letting a singer from another band accidentally let it slip, while performing in another country?

This comment resembles the worst of our political environment. You're trying to ride both sides of this whole 'rags to riches' story with this scenario, and honestly, I think it reeks. Some might even suggest it's an example of 'reverse racism'. I can promise you the press wouldn't care about his plight because there are enough Journey fans who do not ride the Arnel train, and with comments like that, you'd be hard-pressed to find non-Arnel Journey fans who would feel sympathy for you.

Sorry, just had to say my piece on that one.

That's exactly, 100% what my point was. It's funny how you were wondering the same thing, because I think it's a valid question. Glad I'm not the only one who was curious what this post meant. I'm still waiting to hear why he/she thinks the band will consider that if or when they decide to move on from Arnel.

But you won't get a straight answer. Your answer will be that I took his/her post out of context about one page ago. I quoted that exact part of his/her argument, asked the same question, and got nothing.

Apparently it's not kosher to question his/her post.

[perryfaithful]

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

I gotta quote this statement as well, because frankly, I find it somewhat unsettling. What does the fact that Arnel used to be homeless have to do with the band effing him over? Why would that be any worse than giving your singer a break 'for health reasons' and actually moving on to someone else with no intention of bringing him back? Or even worse yet, firing a singer and not bothering to tell him, instead letting a singer from another band accidentally let it slip, while performing in another country?

This comment resembles the worst of our political environment. You're trying to ride both sides of this whole 'rags to riches' story with this scenario, and honestly, I think it reeks. Some might even suggest it's an example of 'reverse racism'. I can promise you the press wouldn't care about his plight because there are enough Journey fans who do not ride the Arnel train, and with comments like that, you'd be hard-pressed to find non-Arnel Journey fans who would feel sympathy for you.

Sorry, just had to say my piece on that one.

brother...with you, thanks for putting that up

troubling for sure

[mikemarrs]

half the bands from southern california were homeless or living on peoples couches before they made it.most of the guys in guns n roses lived in a storage shed for over a year that was the space of a bathroom.lots of people struggle before making it in the music business.arnel isn't the first musician who used to be homeless and won't be the last.

[donnaplease]

half the bands from southern california were homeless or living on peoples couches before they made it.most of the guys in guns n roses lived in a storage shed for over a year that was the space of a bathroom.lots of people struggle before making it in the music business.arnel isn't the first musician who used to be homeless and won't be the last.

Good point.

[artist4perry]

The used of "also" as the first word of my 2nd sentence would have given you a clue that they are related. Just because sentences are separated by a period does not mean they aren't connected. If I wanted to start another subject, I would use another paragraph. Learn how to use a "paragraph".

You really want to sit here and debate grammar and the structure of sentences?

Yeah, these two thoughts are related: (I'll use colors to make it easier on you. And I'll use plenty of paragraphs)

"I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistakes. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that."

The red sentence is thought one. The blue sentence is thought two. For something to be taken "out of context," it has to be one sentence or phrase out of an entire thought that, when quoted, makes the speaker imply something that was unintended.

There is nothing in the red sentence that links to the blue sentence so that the entire post has to be quoted in order for your full intention to come across. Has the band lately indicted that they don't want to put Arnel back on the street? Because then the two sentences would link. Or has the band's "previous mistakes" included putting a former homeless person from a third-world country back on the street?

You claiming to see how the band is learning from it's mistakes (red sentence) is happening presently. You hypothesizing on how the band might want to consider any bad press based on race and former living situations (blue sentence) if they let Arnel go is future speculation. Two separate things.

Since neither of these two things, or anything else similar, has happened, my quoting of just the blue sentence doesn't change the meaning of your post around. I was interested in continuing a line of discussion about the second point you made (the blue sentence).

Just because someone down the line (not even me, by the way) debates a point you make on a message board, a place where debate is encouraged, don't go crying that you were taken out of context. Back up your points.

Yes, I just spent 20 minutes typing this out and color-coding it.

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled programming.

I am so impressed! Yes I got the little devil dudes sentences. He might need to clarify them more if others are missing his point.

[mdaemon]

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

I gotta quote this statement as well, because frankly, I find it somewhat unsettling. What does the fact that Arnel used to be homeless have to do with the band effing him over? Why would that be any worse than giving your singer a break 'for health reasons' and actually moving on to someone else with no intention of bringing him back? Or even worse yet, firing a singer and not bothering to tell him, instead letting a singer from another band accidentally let it slip, while performing in another country?

This comment resembles the worst of our political environment. You're trying to ride both sides of this whole 'rags to riches' story with this scenario, and honestly, I think it reeks. Some might even suggest it's an example of 'reverse racism'. I can promise you the press wouldn't care about his plight because there are enough Journey fans who do not ride the Arnel train, and with comments like that, you'd be hard-pressed to find non-Arnel Journey fans who would feel sympathy for you.

Sorry, just had to say my piece on that one.

That's exactly, 100% what my point was. It's funny how you were wondering the same thing, because I think it's a valid question. Glad I'm not the only one who was curious what this post meant. I'm still waiting to hear why he/she thinks the band will consider that if or when they decide to move on from Arnel.

But you won't get a straight answer. Your answer will be that I took his/her post out of context about one page ago. I quoted that exact part of his/her argument, asked the same question, and got nothing.

Apparently it's not kosher to question his/her post.

Patience dude, some people here live in a different time zone.

When you quoted my first sentence (in red ):

Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

...some may have thought that I am one of Arnel's hardcore fans who would throw even the kitchen sink to defend Arnel. In fact, when Ginger said (quoted in orange)

No offense, but from reading your post, it does not seem as though any reason would be valid to you.

...I think she misunderstood what I was trying to say. Because I used the words "homeless" and "3rd world"; she assumed that I readily throw these cards in every argument hence would be irrational if Arnel is let go by the band. If she bothered to read my first sentence quoted in blue , she would have seen that I believe in the goodness of people and that we all learn from our past mistakes. I am then hoping that she would have given me the benefit of the doubt and possibly figure out that I was merely laying down a *possible* scenario (which was what I meant in the first place) on sentence number 2 in case Arnel is fucked over.

I don't think that is going to happen because based on what we are seeing *lately*, the band are finally learning from their previous mistake. Also, imagine how bad a press they would get when they fuck over a former homeless person who also happen to be from a 3rd world country. I don't think they are that dumb to do that.

[ttango1]

Oh look it's a circle jerk of things that people cannot control yet talk about ad nauseam.


It gets fuckin old peeps. Band sucks, the singers suck, the history sucks, sales sucks. Yet throughout it all, the music still matters...RECOGNIZE!

Until you fall into the trap again.

And Deano, it's only proper to give one of a different race a modicum of respect when there is proper terminology for said race.

Since the band CHOSE a Pinoy to be their frontman, it's not unusual for his fellow pinoys to support and have his back.

OK...I ain't falling into the circle jerk.

So how was Tuscon? I got a live report from 1 of my best friends. The report said 2 things. 1 it was awesome, Arnel can really sing AND my kids are so happy that they know all the words to all the songs and can't wait to tell all their elementary aged friends that Journey is amazing.

[steveo777]

Deano can eat this....and when he's done, come and ask me for the pole. I'll promptly shove it up his rosey red rectum and call Roto-Rooter to retrieve it.

Eat it Deano...all of it!





Pinoy Pride!

Armageddon is coming. These forums are gonna burn down.

[ttango1]

Deano can eat this....and when he's done, come and ask me for the pole. I'll promptly shove it up his rosey red rectum and call Roto-Rooter to retrieve it.

Eat it Deano...all of it!

Relax man...the ultimate victory is KNOWING that people buy tickets and records and support Journey TODAY. AP is part of that and not any Vocal Minority can stop that. All they can do is talk about it.

No chill 777. Go get a 7 & 7 and smile. Life is good.

[steveo777]

Deano can eat this....and when he's done, come and ask me for the pole. I'll promptly shove it up his rosey red rectum and call Roto-Rooter to retrieve it.

Eat it Deano...all of it!

Relax man...the ultimate victory is KNOWING that people that buy tickets and records and support Journey TODAY. AP is part of that and not any Vocal Minority can stop that. All they can do is talk about it.

No chill 777. Go get a 7 & 7 and smile. Life is good.

I'm chilled and you know who I'm fucking with. My blood pressure is down and I' fine.....and so are you.