OT - We all know about what grunge did to melodic rock.....

[Jeremey]

I disagree with this...Grundge did not kill melodic rcok/AOR. Glam did that in the mid to late 80's. Grundge was a revolt towards the excesses of Glam...not a revolt against melodic rock/AOR. True, they both get lumped together nowadays....but they were not at that time.

I agree with Monker.

[Matthew]

Europe will have had SIX Firefests after this year....what do WE get? Poison and friends for the umpteenth time...

Second Division?

Most of the bands I'm refering to would mop the floor with the so-called FIRST division.

Scorpions? Overrated
Europe? Done nothing great since Final Countdown
Def Leppard? Since Pyromania they've become pussified. Pyro's my fave actually. They've lost their rock edge.


I can't even name any other alleged First Division acts....

My mind is failing me.....

I'm not a fan of Europe or Def Leppard either but it can't be denied that in terms of commercial impact they are far more significant acts than...Gotthard.

So if you think Gotthard are first -division in terms of quality then fine. I can't say because I've never heard of them. But I wouldn't necessarily use their inability to tour profitably in the US as some kind of terrible judgement on America. They'd probably struggle to fill a pub in London.

As for other European acts...don't Whitesnake play the US? Judas Priest?

[Matthew]

I disagree with this...Grundge did not kill melodic rcok/AOR. Glam did that in the mid to late 80's. Grundge was a revolt towards the excesses of Glam...not a revolt against melodic rock/AOR. True, they both get lumped together nowadays....but they were not at that time.

I agree with Monker.

So do I...except that while it's true that AOR and glam had been very distinct scenes for most of the 1980s, the two genres started to merge after Slippery When Wet became such a phenomenal hit.

[marco17]

[quote="StocktontoMalone"]Europe will have had SIX Firefests after this year....what do WE get? Poison and friends for the umpteenth time...

Second Division?

Most of the bands I'm refering to would mop the floor with the so-called FIRST division.

Scorpions? Overrated
Europe? Done nothing great since Final Countdown
Def Leppard? Since Pyromania they've become pussified. Pyro's my fave actually. They've lost their rock edge.
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I think to your point, the Scorpions and Europe were much different bands musically then they were during say Crazy World and The Final Countdown. Europe's first two albums weren't anywhere as pop-ish as TFC was, and haven't been since their Out of This World album, and as a Europe fan, I understand the time period and TFC was what made them popular, but their catalog is far better overall then that album. They went or management pushed them more pop-rock like Def Leppard and even the Scorpions to a point, though I always thought of the Scorpions at the time as still being "harder." I don't believe most casual fans would recognize Europe today musically, but they were certainly a band that was big in Europe and Asia but probably got their US deal because of their appearance and it was the "IN" thing. Def Leppard for the most part limps to the barn with mediocre pop-rock albums these days, and the Scorpions had an identify crisis through the 90's and early 2000's until their most recent effort. Just my 2 cents.

[Arkansas]

I disagree with this...Grundge did not kill melodic rcok/AOR. Glam did that in the mid to late 80's. Grundge was a revolt towards the excesses of Glam...not a revolt against melodic rock/AOR. True, they both get lumped together nowadays....but they were not at that time.

I agree with Monker.

+1 here. There was way too much glitz & makeup. What's worse than sunny LA? Gloomy Seattle...flannel...looking cruddy & being depressed. Never cared much for any of that crap, although I think Chris Cornell is one of the truly great rock voices.

Also, I've never really understood how someone can say that one type of music killed another. If we don't buy the $hit, it all dies. Don't blame the style or the artist. It all comes back to us - the stupid consumers. The fact that America bought grunge bands instead of rock just shows that we were tired of Hollywood. America bought grunge just because it was there. We'd probably bought anything new back then. I think that country becoming more mainstream/pop was a result of this also.


later~

[Sarah]

It has been said that grunge killed rock, I disagree.....Rock went to Europe. it was the people of the country who bailed on rock.

implying grunge is not rock

[Since 78]

It has been said that grunge killed rock, I disagree.....Rock went to Europe. it was the people of the country who bailed on rock.

implying grunge is not rock

+1