Arnel needs a rest I think.

[Jana]

and I think he sound just great

I know! But I keep forgetting we live in the American Idol / YouTube critic generation. I need to quit enjoying the performances and pay more attention, cause I'm missing a ton!

Amen, Rip. Good God. I saw him in concert and Perry diehard fans were raving about him when we were leaving. I mean, after the concert I turned around and four in the row behind me were all looking at each other in amazement talking about what a great singer he is. It hit me that most hadn't heard him b/f with Journey. I heard more people talking about his fantastic voice and one of the group turned to their friend or husband and said, well, is he better than Perry and the guy said no, he's not better than Perry but he's really great. His vocals were amazing and he had zero diction issues that I heard during singing. I asked my sister, and she said she only heard his accent when speaking. But like you, we were all just enjoying the concert. To have his voice in that great of shape at the end of the tour almost I thought was a great sign for what they were doing.

[texafana]

You know what a vocal coach would say? Don't stop singing! Seriously, singing correctly, the human voice can sing 24 hours a day assuming proper internal hydration for the vocal chords. Remember, even when we're talking, we're still "singing". Granted the screaming style on his high notes is SO WRONG it's nuts, but you really don't want him to stop singing, you want Arnel to stop singing wrong. There's nothing wrong with moving to a soft falsetto for some of those high notes once in a while. I hope he learns how to dial in his head voice more often. Because some of those high notes that he sings in his chest voice is a chord shredder for sure. Well...acually what it's doing is causing a rapid vibration flutter on the vocal chords which causes them to dry out almost instantly. And if proper hydration is not replaced continuously, that's when damage can occur. Nodes, scaring, etc, etc.

[wednesday's child]

You know what a vocal coach would say? Don't stop singing! Seriously, singing correctly, the human voice can sing 24 hours a day assuming proper internal hydration for the vocal chords. Remember, even when we're talking, we're still "singing". Granted the screaming style on his high notes is SO WRONG it's nuts, but you really don't want him to stop singing, you want Arnel to stop singing wrong. There's nothing wrong with moving to a soft falsetto for some of those high notes once in a while. I hope he learns how to dial in his head voice more often. Because some of those high notes that he sings in his chest voice is a chord shredder for sure. Well...acually what it's doing is causing a rapid vibration flutter on the vocal chords which causes them to dry out almost instantly. And if proper hydration is not replaced continuously, that's when damage can occur. Nodes, scaring, etc, etc.

QFT

[Chubby321]

Wench

Re your # 3 at the other thread that got locked....

What you wrote in Tagalog is very tame compared to what you translated in English. Next time just post in English so it doesn't look like you're backtracking from your original post.

I was being sarcastic to Frank about TBF. Dude, I have Winds of March by RF in my ipod. Don't lecture me about past history. I may not know some titles of some songs but it doesn't mean I am clueless about this band.

On Arnel, yes he was chosen because he sounded similar to Perry. My contention is on the success. If band doesn't have chemistry, if Arnel doesn't have "it factor", I don't think it will work. Case in point Journey, hired him at first for one year to test how he gonna be received by the audience. Even if you have the voice, if the people won't spend money to see you perform, it's useless.

Just leave my posts alone, it should not bother you. If I look like an ass here, so be it, some of the assholes here probably need company.

[Liquid_Drummer]

You know what a vocal coach would say? Don't stop singing! Seriously, singing correctly, the human voice can sing 24 hours a day assuming proper internal hydration for the vocal chords. Remember, even when we're talking, we're still "singing". Granted the screaming style on his high notes is SO WRONG it's nuts, but you really don't want him to stop singing, you want Arnel to stop singing wrong. There's nothing wrong with moving to a soft falsetto for some of those high notes once in a while. I hope he learns how to dial in his head voice more often. Because some of those high notes that he sings in his chest voice is a chord shredder for sure. Well...acually what it's doing is causing a rapid vibration flutter on the vocal chords which causes them to dry out almost instantly. And if proper hydration is not replaced continuously, that's when damage can occur. Nodes, scaring, etc, etc.

QFT

He needs to develop a head voice 1st. Not a knock but it seems he almost never uses it and when he tries (high part on Wheel In The Sky during guitar solo) it almost always sounds terrible. It is holding him back from doing pre-cain material.

[wednesday's child]

You know what a vocal coach would say? Don't stop singing! Seriously, singing correctly, the human voice can sing 24 hours a day assuming proper internal hydration for the vocal chords. Remember, even when we're talking, we're still "singing". Granted the screaming style on his high notes is SO WRONG it's nuts, but you really don't want him to stop singing, you want Arnel to stop singing wrong. There's nothing wrong with moving to a soft falsetto for some of those high notes once in a while. I hope he learns how to dial in his head voice more often. Because some of those high notes that he sings in his chest voice is a chord shredder for sure. Well...acually what it's doing is causing a rapid vibration flutter on the vocal chords which causes them to dry out almost instantly. And if proper hydration is not replaced continuously, that's when damage can occur. Nodes, scaring, etc, etc.

QFT

He needs to develop a head voice 1st. Not a knock but it seems he almost never uses it and when he tries (high part on Wheel In The Sky during guitar solo) it almost always sounds terrible. It is holding him back from doing pre-cain material.

Pretty much what we've ALL been saying, all this time, LD.

What I like about this, is that 'Nel seems like the kind of guy who would, given proper coaching,
go all-out to improve his already formidable skillset. He's dedicated, with no prima donna ego.
A break from touring is the PERFECT chance for Journey management to get it all going.

wech

[Ehwmatt]

You know what a vocal coach would say? Don't stop singing! Seriously, singing correctly, the human voice can sing 24 hours a day assuming proper internal hydration for the vocal chords. Remember, even when we're talking, we're still "singing". Granted the screaming style on his high notes is SO WRONG it's nuts, but you really don't want him to stop singing, you want Arnel to stop singing wrong. There's nothing wrong with moving to a soft falsetto for some of those high notes once in a while. I hope he learns how to dial in his head voice more often. Because some of those high notes that he sings in his chest voice is a chord shredder for sure. Well...acually what it's doing is causing a rapid vibration flutter on the vocal chords which causes them to dry out almost instantly. And if proper hydration is not replaced continuously, that's when damage can occur. Nodes, scaring, etc, etc.

QFT

He needs to develop a head voice 1st. Not a knock but it seems he almost never uses it and when he tries (high part on Wheel In The Sky during guitar solo) it almost always sounds terrible. It is holding him back from doing pre-cain material.

Pretty much what we've ALL been saying, all this time, LD.

What I like about this, is that 'Nel seems like the kind of guy who would, given proper coaching,
go all-out to improve his already formidable skillset. He's dedicated, with no prima donna ego.
A break from touring is the PERFECT chance for Journey management to get it all going.

wech

Does he? In that case, why'd he show up at the SB with worse diction issues than ever that never really totally cleared up this whole tour?

[wednesday's child]

You know what a vocal coach would say? Don't stop singing! Seriously, singing correctly, the human voice can sing 24 hours a day assuming proper internal hydration for the vocal chords. Remember, even when we're talking, we're still "singing". Granted the screaming style on his high notes is SO WRONG it's nuts, but you really don't want him to stop singing, you want Arnel to stop singing wrong. There's nothing wrong with moving to a soft falsetto for some of those high notes once in a while. I hope he learns how to dial in his head voice more often. Because some of those high notes that he sings in his chest voice is a chord shredder for sure. Well...acually what it's doing is causing a rapid vibration flutter on the vocal chords which causes them to dry out almost instantly. And if proper hydration is not replaced continuously, that's when damage can occur. Nodes, scaring, etc, etc.

QFT

He needs to develop a head voice 1st. Not a knock but it seems he almost never uses it and when he tries (high part on Wheel In The Sky during guitar solo) it almost always sounds terrible. It is holding him back from doing pre-cain material.

Pretty much what we've ALL been saying, all this time, LD.

What I like about this, is that 'Nel seems like the kind of guy who would, given proper coaching,
go all-out to improve his already formidable skillset. He's dedicated, with no prima donna ego.
A break from touring is the PERFECT chance for Journey management to get it all going.

wech

Does he? In that case, why'd he show up at the SB with worse diction issues than ever that never really totally cleared up this whole tour?

Like I said: "given proper coaching".
Management has to help set him up with the right support throughout the off-season.
Otherwise, he's left to regress, and the SB episode is plain enough evidence that he would.

Arnel might have the initiative to hire a coach on his own, but what Americans would consider
good English-diction coaching isn't always the same as what Filipinos mght: in the latter case,
(speechwise) the result might be someone who speaks well-constructed English, but still
bears a very-noticeably non-Americanized accent.

Of course, that's not quite the same concern as this thread has, which is alla bout his singing voice.

wech

[Jana]

You know what a vocal coach would say? Don't stop singing! Seriously, singing correctly, the human voice can sing 24 hours a day assuming proper internal hydration for the vocal chords. Remember, even when we're talking, we're still "singing". Granted the screaming style on his high notes is SO WRONG it's nuts, but you really don't want him to stop singing, you want Arnel to stop singing wrong. There's nothing wrong with moving to a soft falsetto for some of those high notes once in a while. I hope he learns how to dial in his head voice more often. Because some of those high notes that he sings in his chest voice is a chord shredder for sure. Well...acually what it's doing is causing a rapid vibration flutter on the vocal chords which causes them to dry out almost instantly. And if proper hydration is not replaced continuously, that's when damage can occur. Nodes, scaring, etc, etc.

QFT

He needs to develop a head voice 1st. Not a knock but it seems he almost never uses it and when he tries (high part on Wheel In The Sky during guitar solo) it almost always sounds terrible. It is holding him back from doing pre-cain material.

Pretty much what we've ALL been saying, all this time, LD.

What I like about this, is that 'Nel seems like the kind of guy who would, given proper coaching,
go all-out to improve his already formidable skillset. He's dedicated, with no prima donna ego.
A break from touring is the PERFECT chance for Journey management to get it all going.

wech

Does he? In that case, why'd he show up at the SB with worse diction issues than ever that never really totally cleared up this whole tour?

Like I said: "given proper coaching".
Management has to help set him up with the right support throughout the off-season.
Otherwise, he's left to regress, and the SB episode is plain enough evidence that he would.

Arnel might have the initiative to hire a coach on his own, but what Americans would consider
good English-diction coaching isn't always the same as what Filipinos mght: in the latter case,
(speechwise) the result might be someone who speaks well-constructed English, but still
bears a very-noticeably non-Americanized accent.

Of course, that's not quite the same concern as this thread has, which is alla bout his singing voice.

wech

I said last off season in the Filipino shows I could see his diction issues showing back up in songs. So by the time he got into the beginning of the concert tour this year instead of being ahead of the year b/f with off-tour coaching, he was back to where he left off at the end of '08 tour after appearing in a few more concerts in the spring tour to bring him up to speed on the songs. I blame Journey for that. That would have been easy enough to fix, having a coach to steadily improve him each off period. He will be more comfortable in addressing the audience too, not just in the songs. But in my concert this year I saw improvement compared to last year, really no diction problems at all that we could detect, but of course I was at the end of the tour. Don't get me wrong, for most of the tour he sounded great dictionwise from the YouTube videos I've watched, just some minor diction issues, but he could have been better and even more comfortable speaking English on stage if they had addressed that in his downtime. So this time they need to do it, so he doesn't revert, but instead comes back even more improved.

[steveo777]

You know what a vocal coach would say? Don't stop singing! Seriously, singing correctly, the human voice can sing 24 hours a day assuming proper internal hydration for the vocal chords. Remember, even when we're talking, we're still "singing". Granted the screaming style on his high notes is SO WRONG it's nuts, but you really don't want him to stop singing, you want Arnel to stop singing wrong. There's nothing wrong with moving to a soft falsetto for some of those high notes once in a while. I hope he learns how to dial in his head voice more often. Because some of those high notes that he sings in his chest voice is a chord shredder for sure. Well...acually what it's doing is causing a rapid vibration flutter on the vocal chords which causes them to dry out almost instantly. And if proper hydration is not replaced continuously, that's when damage can occur. Nodes, scaring, etc, etc.

QFT

He needs to develop a head voice 1st. Not a knock but it seems he almost never uses it and when he tries (high part on Wheel In The Sky during guitar solo) it almost always sounds terrible. It is holding him back from doing pre-cain material.

Pretty much what we've ALL been saying, all this time, LD.

What I like about this, is that 'Nel seems like the kind of guy who would, given proper coaching,
go all-out to improve his already formidable skillset. He's dedicated, with no prima donna ego.
A break from touring is the PERFECT chance for Journey management to get it all going.

wech

If they just let Arnel go home for a year though, they are fucked. He will go mingle with the locals and come back worse. My wife of 31 years went to the Phils a couple years ago and spent 3 months there. When she came back all the accent and diction issues she had been working on getting rid of for 20 years came back.....seriously. It takes a very focused, conscious effort for her to lose this. If effects people differently. I met a lady a couple weeks ago from there, has only been in the country for 2 years. She has zero accent.

[kgdjpubs]

If they just let Arnel go home for a year though, they are fucked. He will go mingle with the locals and come back worse. My wife of 31 years went to the Phils a couple years ago and spent 3 months there. When she came back all the accent and diction issues she had been working on getting rid of for 20 years came back.....seriously. It takes a very focused, conscious effort for her to lose this. If effects people differently. I met a lady a couple weeks ago from there, has only been in the country for 2 years. She has zero accent.

There's a bit of truth in this. Put someone anywhere other than where they live for an extended period of time, and they will pick up the local dialect/phrasing/pronunciation. However, I'm not sure that singing accent and speaking accent are affected the same way. You'd get some overlap, but it's not exactly the same due to phrasing and stuff that you use while singing that you don't use in regular speech. That being said, even if one was to keep him in the US, where do you put him? You could send him up north to Boston for that nasal yankee accent, down south for a southern accent, out to Texas for a twang. Gosh knows, he might be better off going home!

[Since 78]

I just saw Arnel on Saturday night. His voice sounded great, this was the first time I have seen him live and I wasn't the least bit disappointed. The only song that I noticed that wasn't sung in the original key was NWA. He had no trouble with any of the songs, in fact he seemed to be putting a little extra mustard on.

[steveo777]

I just saw Arnel on Saturday night. His voice sounded great, this was the first time I have seen him live and I wasn't the least bit disappointed. The only song that I noticed that wasn't sung in the original key was NWA. He had no trouble with any of the songs, in fact he seemed to be putting a little extra mustard on.

Which is another whole other issue. While I love that he puts his own spin on the songs, some of the diehards from back in the day get offended when he does this and consider that mutilating the classics. If he doesn't do that and stays true to the exact sound, voice inflections, etc., then he will be accused by some of sounding too much like the original.

[Michigan Girl]

I just saw Arnel on Saturday night. His voice sounded great, this was the first time I have seen him live and I wasn't the least bit disappointed. The only song that I noticed that wasn't sung in the original key was NWA. He had no trouble with any of the songs, in fact he seemed to be putting a little extra mustard on.

I was so much more impressed this year, 78!!!
ALL of the songs sounded different to me, but it didn't seem to matter
in the live environment. The only time I felt that the audience noticed
something amiss, was during Faithfully...he was waaaayyy too slow!!
Good Show none-the-less!! I think we had extra Ketchup!!

[la michelona]

If they just let Arnel go home for a year though, they are fucked. He will go mingle with the locals and come back worse. My wife of 31 years went to the Phils a couple years ago and spent 3 months there. When she came back all the accent and diction issues she had been working on getting rid of for 20 years came back.....seriously. It takes a very focused, conscious effort for her to lose this. If effects people differently. I met a lady a couple weeks ago from there, has only been in the country for 2 years. She has zero accent.

There's a bit of truth in this. Put someone anywhere other than where they live for an extended period of time, and they will pick up the local dialect/phrasiong/pronunciation. However, I'm not sure that singing accent and speaking accent are affected the same way. You'd get some overlap, but it's not exactly the same due to phrasing and stuff that you use while singing that you don't use in regular speech. That being said, even if one was to keep him in the US, where do you put him? You could send him up north to Boston for that nasal yankee accent, down south for a southern accent, out to Texas for a twang. Gosh knows, he might be better off going home![/quote]

Darlin', you wudn't be implyin' that havin' a Texas twang might be a bad thang, now, wud ya?

grrrrrr the quote button isn't working

[steveo777]

Oh, I forgot.....some people like Twang from Texas. You know, them rough girls that will ride ya like a bull.

[Since 78]

I just saw Arnel on Saturday night. His voice sounded great, this was the first time I have seen him live and I wasn't the least bit disappointed. The only song that I noticed that wasn't sung in the original key was NWA. He had no trouble with any of the songs, in fact he seemed to be putting a little extra mustard on.

Which is another whole other issue. While I love that he puts his own spin on the songs, some of the diehards from back in the day get offended when he does this and consider that mutilating the classics.

I meant that he was really going for some of the high notes and pulling them off as well. As far as putting his own spin on some of the songs, I think its great. I'm sure he gets tired of doing them the same old way as much as the rest of the guys.

[kgdjpubs]

If they just let Arnel go home for a year though, they are fucked. He will go mingle with the locals and come back worse. My wife of 31 years went to the Phils a couple years ago and spent 3 months there. When she came back all the accent and diction issues she had been working on getting rid of for 20 years came back.....seriously. It takes a very focused, conscious effort for her to lose this. If effects people differently. I met a lady a couple weeks ago from there, has only been in the country for 2 years. She has zero accent.

There's a bit of truth in this. Put someone anywhere other than where they live for an extended period of time, and they will pick up the local dialect/phrasing/pronunciation. However, I'm not sure that singing accent and speaking accent are affected the same way. You'd get some overlap, but it's not exactly the same due to phrasing and stuff that you use while singing that you don't use in regular speech. That being said, even if one was to keep him in the US, where do you put him? You could send him up north to Boston for that nasal yankee accent, down south for a southern accent, out to Texas for a twang. Gosh knows, he might be better off going home!

Darlin', you wudn't be implyin' that havin' a Texas twang might be a bad thang, now, wud ya?

no worse than the cousin of mine who was raised in North Carolina and lived in London for a few years. Ever heard a clipped British accent with a southern drawl on the end of it?!? Or the friend that was raised in West Virginia and moved to Mississippi. That one is pretty good also.

Now, to answer your question....why, actually, yes!

[kgdjpubs]

grrrrrr the quote button isn't working

that would be my fault, I think. The original quote has an extra [/quote] right at the start of the message. Not sure how that one got in there.

[steveo777]

grrrrrr the quote button isn't working

that would be my fault, I think. The original quote has an extra

right at the start of the message. Not sure how that one got in there.[/quote]

cuz you people ain't payin attention to whatcher doin.

[kgdjpubs]

cuz you people ain't payin attention to whatcher doin.

...which is why your post (slightly edited here) is a classic!

[la michelona]

Oh, I forgot.....some people like Twang from Texas. You know, them rough girls that will ride ya like a bull.

...more like them tough girls who would just as soon slap u into Sunday then to brook some silly bit o' yo' impertinent sass.

[la michelona]

If they just let Arnel go home for a year though, they are fucked. He will go mingle with the locals and come back worse. My wife of 31 years went to the Phils a couple years ago and spent 3 months there. When she came back all the accent and diction issues she had been working on getting rid of for 20 years came back.....seriously. It takes a very focused, conscious effort for her to lose this. If effects people differently. I met a lady a couple weeks ago from there, has only been in the country for 2 years. She has zero accent.

There's a bit of truth in this. Put someone anywhere other than where they live for an extended period of time, and they will pick up the local dialect/phrasiong/pronunciation. However, I'm not sure that singing accent and speaking accent are affected the same way. You'd get some overlap, but it's not exactly the same due to phrasing and stuff that you use while singing that you don't use in regular speech. That being said, even if one was to keep him in the US, where do you put him? You could send him up north to Boston for that nasal yankee accent, down south for a southern accent, out to Texas for a twang. Gosh knows, he might be better off going home!

*these are good points, btw

Darlin', you wudn't be implyin' that havin' a Texas twang might be a bad thang, now, wud ya?

no worse than the cousin of mine who was raised in North Carolina and lived in London for a few years. Ever heard a clipped British accent with a southern drawl on the end of it?!? Or the friend that was raised in West Virginia and moved to Mississippi. That one is pretty good also.

Try a transplanted Michigander who's been in Texas since '84, speaks Spanish on a daily basis, and just spent the summer in the PI.


and who can't quote worth a damn today

[kgdjpubs]

Try a transplanted Michigander who's been in Texas since '84, speaks Spanish on a daily basis, and just spent the summer in the PI.

probably would sound about like Arnel.

[la michelona]

Try a transplanted Michigander who's been in Texas since '84, speaks Spanish on a daily basis, and just spent the summer in the PI.

probably would sound about like Arnel.

nah, you'd have to add some Brit to that mix - and I can't imagine him EVER saying "I'm fittin' ta sing y'all a little song I wrote..."