Journey & Perry...

[Eric]

What they should do is drop their bass player and get someone who can actually play the fuckin thing.

Not only that, but what an opportunity to improve other things......youth, background vocals, writing. It would hurt to lose another "original member" but it could really inject some new talent.

[Saint John]

What they should do is drop their bass player and get someone who can actually play the fuckin thing.

Not only that, but what an opportunity to improve other things......youth, background vocals, writing. It would hurt to lose another "original member" but it could really inject some new talent.

You are both probably, to some degree, right. But, I've said it before and I'll say it again, these guys are loyal. They hung on to Perry too long, Augeri too long and I suspect they'll do the same with Ross. And I respect that.

[Don]

So, did Valory blow his initial fortune on snow or was he just bad with money? Are Cain, Smitty and Augeri the only members of group, past and present who didn't have substance abuse problems?

[Saint John]

I should have done Neal and favour and choked that motherfucker. Man he is a spineless bastard. To meet me and speak friendly to me, yadda yadda yadda, and then go to the papers the next week telling them I was a drunk and cokehead. I hope I never see his lame ass again.

Jesus Christ, look how bloated I am from drinking those 32 beers. Good God almighty.

Dickno, Ross was telling the truth and you know it. Why deny it????

I think this is bullshit. I have partied with Dean and know of about 50 others that have as well, and I have never heard the use of cocaine by Dean brought up. Not ever once. This thread is heading for disaster. Let's ease up, man. It's jive to be making accusations and talking about this sort of stuff. Stick with personal insults.

[Rockindeano]

I should have done Neal and favour and choked that motherfucker. Man he is a spineless bastard. To meet me and speak friendly to me, yadda yadda yadda, and then go to the papers the next week telling them I was a drunk and cokehead. I hope I never see his lame ass again.

Jesus Christ, look how bloated I am from drinking those 32 beers. Good God almighty.

Dickno, Ross was telling the truth and you know it. Why deny it????

I think this is bullshit. I have partied with Dean and know of about 50 others that have as well, and I have never heard the use of cocaine by Dean brought up. Not ever once. This thread is heading for disaster. Let's ease up, man. It's jive to be making accusations and talking about this sort of stuff. Stick with personal insults.

I hope RobbieG slides under a gas truck and tastes his own blood. The sooner the better.

[Jubilee]

What they should do is drop their bass player and get someone who can actually play the fuckin thing.

Not only that, but what an opportunity to improve other things......youth, background vocals, writing. It would hurt to lose another "original member" but it could really inject some new talent.

You are both probably, to some degree, right. But, I've said it before and I'll say it again, these guys are loyal. They hung on to Perry too long, Augeri too long and I suspect they'll do the same with Ross. And I respect that.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, now. Now you're messing with the formula..er the legacy sound of Journey. The whole thing is predicated on outstanding vocals, Neal's guitar, Cains keys & songwriting...and the bass player essentially being MIA. You just can't go throwing a a competent bass player in there...it wouldn't be Journey.

[Saint John]

What they should do is drop their bass player and get someone who can actually play the fuckin thing.

Not only that, but what an opportunity to improve other things......youth, background vocals, writing. It would hurt to lose another "original member" but it could really inject some new talent.

You are both probably, to some degree, right. But, I've said it before and I'll say it again, these guys are loyal. They hung on to Perry too long, Augeri too long and I suspect they'll do the same with Ross. And I respect that.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, now. Now you're messing with the formula..er the legacy sound of Journey. The whole thing is predicated on outstanding vocals, Neal's guitar, Cains keys & songwriting...and the bass player essentially being MIA. You just can't go throwing a a competent bass player in there...it wouldn't be Journey.

Nobody complained about Ross's work on Escape or Frontiers. He was always solid. I understand that Neal now writes the bass lines. Why, I don't know, but I know Ross has a good body of work out there.

[steveo777]

What they should do is drop their bass player and get someone who can actually play the fuckin thing.

Not only that, but what an opportunity to improve other things......youth, background vocals, writing. It would hurt to lose another "original member" but it could really inject some new talent.

You are both probably, to some degree, right. But, I've said it before and I'll say it again, these guys are loyal. They hung on to Perry too long, Augeri too long and I suspect they'll do the same with Ross. And I respect that.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, now. Now you're messing with the formula..er the legacy sound of Journey. The whole thing is predicated on outstanding vocals, Neal's guitar, Cains keys & songwriting...and the bass player essentially being MIA. You just can't go throwing a a competent bass player in there...it wouldn't be Journey.

Nobody complained about Ross's work on Escape or Frontiers. He was always solid. I understand that Neal now writes the bass lines. Why, I don't know, but I know Ross has a good body of work out there.

So he writes episodes of Tales From The Crypt?

[RocknRoll]

So he writes episodes of Tales From The Crypt?

Ross does have some music out there which is fairly recent.

http://www.rossvalory.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1

The Album VU

Announcing the first U.S. release of VU (pronounced "view")
originally titled "Phoenix Rising" with all new artwork.
The line-up and song titles are as follows.

Ross Valory - Bass & Vocals
Prairie Prince - Drums and Percussions
Steff Burns - Guitars & Vocals
Tim Gorman - Keyboard & Vocals
Kevin Chalfant - Lead Vocals
Additional Contributing Musicians:
Josh Ramos & Marty Friedman on guitars

Track Listing:

WHO YOU GONNA BELIEVE?
KEYS TO THE CITY
ONE TRACK MIND
SAVE IT FOR ME
HARD TO GET
IF I HAD YOU BACK
WALK THROUGH the FIRE
DREAMING YOUR LIFE AWAY
SOMEWHERE HERE
SO LONG

© 2009 - Shodomo Inc.

VTR:
Ross Valory - Fretted and Fretless Bass
George Tickner - Guitars
Stevie Roseman - Pianos, Keyboards and Synthesizers
Special Guests:
Neal Schon - Guitar
Steve Smith - Drums
Prairie Prince - Drums & Percussion
Mic Gillette - Trombone, Trumpet, Flugelhorn,
Baritone & Tuba
Bobby Strickland - Saxophones, Flute, Bass Clarinet & Oboe
Gibby Ross - Congas, Timbales & Percussion
Tim Gorman - Synthesizers and Orchestration
Deby Benton-Grosjean - Violin
Mark "Mad Cow" Vukalcic - Mandolins
"Red" Rick Horlick - Mandolins

Track Listing:

TRAIL OF TEARS
TALL SHIPS
BAD WATER
CARMELITA BONITA
PASA AMOUR
RIO AZUL
NIGHTFLOWER
CITY LIGHTS
NO ONE WINS THE WAR

© 2009 - Shodomo Inc.

[Rockindeano]

Ross does have some music out there which is fairly recent.

Doesn't mean it's good. Hell, RobbieG could make an album of gay sex grunts and moans and have it out tomorrow and it would be the same thing as Valory. No one is buying either release.

[steveo777]

Ross does have some music out there which is fairly recent.

Doesn't mean it's good. Hell, RobbieG could make an album of gay sex grunts and moans and have it out tomorrow and it would be the same thing as Valory. No one is buying either release.

Why don't you buy a shirt from him for your son. Help the man out!

http://www.mouthman.com/

[RocknRoll]

Ross does have some music out there which is fairly recent.

Doesn't mean it's good. Hell, RobbieG could make an album of gay sex grunts and moans and have it out tomorrow and it would be the same thing as Valory. No one is buying either release.

Actually, it is GOOD!! I'm sure you won't be listening to it, but it is definitely worth it.

[Rockindeano]

Ross does have some music out there which is fairly recent.

Doesn't mean it's good. Hell, RobbieG could make an album of gay sex grunts and moans and have it out tomorrow and it would be the same thing as Valory. No one is buying either release.

Actually, it is GOOD!! I'm sure you won't be listening to it, but it is definitely worth it.

I'd rather finger bang Phyliss four times in a row, sweating profusely, wearing a gas mask on a hot Summer night on the front porch than listen to Ross Valory sing, let alone play the bass guitar.

[steveo777]

Ross does have some music out there which is fairly recent.

Doesn't mean it's good. Hell, RobbieG could make an album of gay sex grunts and moans and have it out tomorrow and it would be the same thing as Valory. No one is buying either release.

Actually, it is GOOD!! I'm sure you won't be listening to it, but it is definitely worth it.

I'd rather finger bang Phyliss four times in a row, sweating profusely, wearing a gas mask on a hot Summer night on the front porch than listen to Ross Valory sing, let alone play the bass guitar.

Classic! (and crude)

[annie89509]

What they should do is drop their bass player and get someone who can actually play the fuckin thing.

Not only that, but what an opportunity to improve other things......youth, background vocals, writing. It would hurt to lose another "original member" but it could really inject some new talent.

You are both probably, to some degree, right. But, I've said it before and I'll say it again, these guys are loyal. They hung on to Perry too long, Augeri too long and I suspect they'll do the same with Ross. And I respect that.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, now. Now you're messing with the formula..er the legacy sound of Journey. The whole thing is predicated on outstanding vocals, Neal's guitar, Cains keys & songwriting...and the bass player essentially being MIA. You just can't go throwing a a competent bass player in there...it wouldn't be Journey.

Nobody complained about Ross's work on Escape or Frontiers. He was always solid. I understand that Neal now writes the bass lines. Why, I don't know, but I know Ross has a good body of work out there.

But why did they replace Ross with Randy Jackson in After the Fall? -- a few other songs on Frontiers, too, I think (this from Neal). Never heard anything definitive about why.

[Rockindeano]

But why did they replace Ross with Randy Jackson in After the Fall? -- a few other songs on Frontiers, too, I think (this from Neal). Never heard anything definitive about why.

Brush up on Journey 101!

Perry fired both Smith and Valory. It wasn't the sound Steve wanted.

PS- screw you RobbieG.

[annie89509]

But why did they replace Ross with Randy Jackson in After the Fall? -- a few other songs on Frontiers, too, I think (this from Neal). Never heard anything definitive about why.

Brush up on Journey 101!

Perry fired both Smith and Valory. It wasn't the sound Steve wanted.

PS- screw you RobbieG.

Deano, are you drinking!? I will have you know I am well versed in Journey history....own tons of old interviews.
SP fired Smitty and Ross for ROR. After the Fall is for the Frontiers album, when Ross was still an integral member of the band.

[portland]

But why did they replace Ross with Randy Jackson in After the Fall? -- a few other songs on Frontiers, too, I think (this from Neal). Never heard anything definitive about why.

Brush up on Journey 101!

Perry fired both Smith and Valory. It wasn't the sound Steve wanted.

PS- screw you RobbieG.

Deano, are you drinking!? I will have you know I am well versed in Journey history....own tons of old interviews.
SP fired Smitty and Ross for ROR. After the Fall is for the Frontiers album, when Ross was still an integral member of the band.

I did not know this^^^^I had thought that Jackson was only around for the ROR days.

[annie89509]

But why did they replace Ross with Randy Jackson in After the Fall? -- a few other songs on Frontiers, too, I think (this from Neal). Never heard anything definitive about why.

Brush up on Journey 101!

Perry fired both Smith and Valory. It wasn't the sound Steve wanted.

PS- screw you RobbieG.

Deano, are you drinking!? I will have you know I am well versed in Journey history....own tons of old interviews.
SP fired Smitty and Ross for ROR. After the Fall is for the Frontiers album, when Ross was still an integral member of the band.

I did not know this^^^^I had thought that Jackson was only around for the ROR days.

Yes, Journey got Randy to play bass for After the Fall...the old-timers (monker, J28, Froy, TNC) can verify this.

[Rockindeano]

Yeah I knew that Annie, just misread your post. I hate RobbieG.

[portland]

Yeah I knew that Annie, just misread your post. I hate RobbieG.

We had no idea!!!

[Rockindeano]

But why did they replace Ross with Randy Jackson in After the Fall? -- a few other songs on Frontiers, too, I think (this from Neal). Never heard anything definitive about why.

Brush up on Journey 101!

Perry fired both Smith and Valory. It wasn't the sound Steve wanted.

PS- screw you RobbieG.

Deano, are you drinking!? I will have you know I am well versed in Journey history....own tons of old interviews.
SP fired Smitty and Ross for ROR. After the Fall is for the Frontiers album, when Ross was still an integral member of the band.

Goddamned sweetie, ease up. Yes, I am drinking get this, two tall cans of Miller Lite, 3 regular cans of the same, 5 cans of Natural Light Ice, and a twelver of Pabst to flush it down. You used to be so nice to me? What happened? Did RobbieG get to you?

[annie89509]

But why did they replace Ross with Randy Jackson in After the Fall? -- a few other songs on Frontiers, too, I think (this from Neal). Never heard anything definitive about why.

Brush up on Journey 101!

Perry fired both Smith and Valory. It wasn't the sound Steve wanted.

PS- screw you RobbieG.

Deano, are you drinking!? I will have you know I am well versed in Journey history....own tons of old interviews.
SP fired Smitty and Ross for ROR. After the Fall is for the Frontiers album, when Ross was still an integral member of the band.

Goddamned sweetie, ease up. Yes, I am drinking get this, two tall cans of Miller Lite, 3 regular cans of the same, 5 cans of Natural Light Ice, and a twelver of Pabst to flush it down. You used to be so nice to me? What happened? Did RobbieG get to you?

Deano, Deano, you started it with me...go back through the posts, lol. I don't know who this RobbieG is...some kind of feud you have going with him... leave me out of it, okay?

xoxo

[donnaplease]

OK, I'm confused... Ross is in the ATF video. Are you saying that RJ recorded the song with them, but Ross is in the video?

[annie89509]

OK, I'm confused... Ross is in the ATF video. Are you saying that RJ recorded the song with them, but Ross is in the video?

DP, Journey hired Randy Jackson as a session bass player for the Frontiers album…I assume, to add more bass strength on the songs. I also heard he was the guy laying down the bass lines for ATF, not Ross. Of course, the video is going to have Ross as he is a member of the band.

Taking it further… I have wondered how Ross seemed to do fine in their Frontiers tour concerts playing all their songs from that album. Maybe, there’s extra background (recorded) music help??? Like, I guess, lthe layered background vox expert posters here talk about from time to time.