Steve Perry: Journey was not just me.

[portland]

No disrepect intended ...you're insane!!!

Michigan Girl: You disagree with those facts?

My stance has been the same from the get go ...AP is doing a great job, he has brought
w/him a new fan base and a few stragglers of old. I'd go so far as to say that he
made believers out of some fans that had quit believing. He is helping to keep the music,
the DD, alive for those who still want to hear it and for those who have never had the opportunity
to hear it, live. He is making it possible for Neal and the boys to continue this Journey so they
can ride off into the sunset doing what they love to do most. But comparing this to the lightning
that has already struck ...NO, NO, NO, NO!! No comparison!! I find it hard to believe that you
would even make that comparison, you've been around for a while.
Exciting, perhaps...Lightning...NO!!

Wow, I rarely agree with you, but I agree on this post.

There is a first time for everything Jana!!

[jrnyjetster]

I just want to make one thing perfectly clear here...I AM NOT comparing Pineda to Perry or vice versa.

Let's just say that Journey has struck gold once with Steve Perry or twice if you count the gap between ROR and TBF.

They certainly have struck gold again with Arnel Pineda...there is no denying it. We'll see how 2011 pans out....

[donnaplease]

I just want to make one thing perfectly clear here...I AM NOT comparing Pineda to Perry or vice versa.

Let's just say that Journey has struck gold once with Steve Perry or twice if you count the gap between ROR and TBF.

They certainly have struck gold again with Arnel Pineda...there is no denying it. We'll see how 2011 pans out....

He has served them well, in his own right. By using the term "struck gold" to describe both singers then IMO you are using the same measure to describe them. They are not now, nor will they ever be on equal terms. Unless... they forge ahead and leave the "legacy" behind. I don't see that happening, nor do I necessarily blame them for that. If Steve Perry was 'gold', then I guess I would consider Arnel Pineda 'gold leaf' with regard to Journey.

I believe someone said that Arnel is allowing the rest of the band to continue to do what they love to do, all the while making a great living. I wish him well.

[Vladan]

Journey with Steve Perry rules.

Journey without Steve Perry f**cking sucks.

End of discussion.

Andrew shut this thread down, it's done.

[jrnyjetster]

You are correct Vladan....

Journey with Steve Perry DID rule! Past fucking tense! He didn't want to do it anymore!

Journey with Arnel Pineda has been remarkably successful...whether YOU like it or not!

End of discussion.

[portland]

You are correct Vladan....

Journey with Steve Perry DID rule! Past fucking tense! He didn't want to do it anymore!

Journey with Arnel Pineda has been remarkably successful...whether YOU like it or not!

End of discussion.

I don't get the remarkably successful....yes they are out there playing songs from the 70's and 80's...songs
that Journey with Steve Perry made remarkably successful.

This thread is actually not worthy of conversation....as it has been argued to death.


To be able to say that Journey has his lighting twice (in the same way) you would need a hell of a lot
more original material with AP at the helm.


GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.......

Yes Andrew......time for the RED X.....this is not going anywhere that is going to be useful.

[Jana]

You are correct Vladan....

Journey with Steve Perry DID rule! Past fucking tense! He didn't want to do it anymore!

Journey with Arnel Pineda has been remarkably successful...whether YOU like it or not!

End of discussion.

I don't get the remarkably successful....yes they are out there playing songs from the 70's and 80's...songs
that Journey with Steve Perry made remarkably successful.

This thread is actually not worthy of conversation....as it has been argued to death.


To be able to say that Journey has his lighting twice (in the same way) you would need a hell of a lot
more original material with AP at the helm.


GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.......

Yes Andrew......time for the RED X.....this is not going anywhere that is going to be useful.

I don't believe lightning has struck twice compared to their heyday in the 80s.

But for the last two years, I would say remarkably successful b/c they have a platinum album, a lot of TV spots on them, great reviews on their album, successful tours, very successful DVD. Can they sustain that momentum? I don't know. Maybe not. If the album doesn't sell well, just average, but is good like Arrival that didn't sell well, I will be happy still b/c I will have music form Journey that I like. But it's a band in the later years of its life like a lot of bands from that era. If they do great numbers on this album, then that's a miracle, and I will be happy for them.

[Don]

I believe one unforeseen thing that happened this year was the Glee factor and Bob Lefsetz was right to question Azoff about not going on the road this summer. Irving's attempt to create a lull as to create demand later sort of fell apart as Journey music is getting over saturation in the media right now. The British market especially where all three Glee covers hit the chart. There are writers over talking about the songs being overplayed and if it will reach burnout at some point in the next year, before Journey actually gets over there to take advantage of it.
Glee is due for one repeat season this summer before moving on to new material and that may truly create the vomit factor. Hell, even VH1 has got in the act by playing the Faithfully promo, really the worse cover out of all of them.
For my own personal thoughts on things, I have no problem waiting for new album if it's really going to be what Neal promised. As far as seeing the band live again, not really. I'd rather see Jeremey or one of the local So Cal tribute bands as their setlists have more of a chance of containing some of the B- sides or lesser hits which Journey rarely plays, (Stay Awhile, Send her my love, GCHI, etc.). I bought the three disc pack for Essential Journey about a month ago so I've done my part in supporting the guys who I consider as Journey.
Now if Cain, Schon, Smitty, Rolie (and if hell freezes over, Perry) swing by for a solo gig, I'll wholeheartedly support that also.

By the way, despite coming out way back in October, The Manila DVD hasn't been certified anything yet. I don't think people realize that in the music video market it doesn't take much to place high on the charts as the releases aren't as frequent as music releases. For the record, Journey's Greatest Hits DVD is 4X Platinum, while the Escape and 2001 DVD are Platinum.
And Revelation is still platinum.

[donnaplease]

I believe one unforeseen thing that happened this year was the Glee factor and Bob Lefsetz was right to question Azoff about not going on the road this summer. Irving's attempt to create a lull as to create demand later sort of fell apart as Journey music is getting over saturation in the media right now. The British market especially where all three Glee covers hit the chart. There are writers over talking about the songs being overplayed and if it will reach burnout at some point in the next year, before Journey actually gets over there to take advantage of it.
Glee is due for one repeat season this summer before moving on to new material and that may truly create the vomit factor. Hell, even VH1 has got in the act by playing the Faithfully promo, really the worse cover out of all of them.
For my own personal thoughts on things, I have no problem waiting for new album if it's really going to be what Neal promised. As far as seeing the band live again, not really. I'd rather see Jeremey or one of the local So Cal tribute bands as their setlists have more of a chance of containing some of the B- sides or lesser hits which Journey rarely plays, (Stay Awhile, Send her my love, GCHI, etc.). I bought the three disc pack for Essential Journey about a month ago so I've done my part in supporting the guys who I consider as Journey.
Now if Cain, Schon, Smitty, Rolie (and if hell freezes over, Perry) swing by for a solo gig, I'll wholeheartedly support that also.

By the way, despite coming out way back in October, The Manila DVD hasn't been certified anything yet. I don't think people realize that in the music video market it doesn't take much to place high on the charts as the releases aren't as frequent as music releases. For the record, Journey's Greatest Hits DVD is 4X Platinum, while the Escape and 2001 DVD are Platinum.
And Revelation is still platinum.

As I read this post, 2 things come to mind. First, has anyone wondered what happens when this whole Glee phenomenon blows over? What will the general public will think of Journey music? With the younger kids, when they think of DSB they are gonna think of Glee. Now, when my boys were younger the fad was the Spice Girls and the New Kids on the Block. We ridicule groups like that now.

Second... Escape and Revelation are both considered platinum? WTF?! Here's a thought: Revelation costs about $11 if I remember right, in which you get 4 discs. That averages out to costing the consumer a little over $2.50 a disc. While that's a great deal for us as consumers, what does that possibly say about the quality of the product? If those were sold individually they would be found in the bottom of the bargain basement bin. Most of your 'elevator' type cover CDs at Walmart cost more than that. Now, I don't really care about that stuff, but when people try to suggest that Revelation is "platinum" especially when put beside an album like Escape, I feel the need to jump in. (Not referencing anyone in particular here, BTW.)

[Jana]

I believe one unforeseen thing that happened this year was the Glee factor and Bob Lefsetz was right to question Azoff about not going on the road this summer. Irving's attempt to create a lull as to create demand later sort of fell apart as Journey music is getting over saturation in the media right now. The British market especially where all three Glee covers hit the chart. There are writers over talking about the songs being overplayed and if it will reach burnout at some point in the next year, before Journey actually gets over there to take advantage of it.
Glee is due for one repeat season this summer before moving on to new material and that may truly create the vomit factor. Hell, even VH1 has got in the act by playing the Faithfully promo, really the worse cover out of all of them.
For my own personal thoughts on things, I have no problem waiting for new album if it's really going to be what Neal promised. As far as seeing the band live again, not really. I'd rather see Jeremey or one of the local So Cal tribute bands as their setlists have more of a chance of containing some of the B- sides or lesser hits which Journey rarely plays, (Stay Awhile, Send her my love, GCHI, etc.). I bought the three disc pack for Essential Journey about a month ago so I've done my part in supporting the guys who I consider as Journey.
Now if Cain, Schon, Smitty, Rolie (and if hell freezes over, Perry) swing by for a solo gig, I'll wholeheartedly support that also.

By the way, despite coming out way back in October, The Manila DVD hasn't been certified anything yet. I don't think people realize that in the music video market it doesn't take much to place high on the charts as the releases aren't as frequent as music releases. For the record, Journey's Greatest Hits DVD is 4X Platinum, while the Escape and 2001 DVD are Platinum.
And Revelation is still platinum.

As I read this post, 2 things come to mind. First, has anyone wondered what happens when this whole Glee phenomenon blows over? What will the general public will think of Journey music? With the younger kids, when they think of DSB they are gonna think of Glee. Now, when my boys were younger the fad was the Spice Girls and the New Kids on the Block. We ridicule groups like that now.

Second... Escape and Revelation are both considered platinum? WTF?! Here's a thought: Revelation costs about $11 if I remember right, in which you get 4 discs. That averages out to costing the consumer a little over $2.50 a disc. While that's a great deal for us as consumers, what does that possibly say about the quality of the product? If those were sold individually they would be found in the bottom of the bargain basement bin. Most of your 'elevator' type cover CDs at Walmart cost more than that. Now, I don't really care about that stuff, but when people try to suggest that Revelation is "platinum" especially when put beside an album like Escape, I feel the need to jump in. (Not referencing anyone in particular here, BTW.)

Revelation is platinum b/c Jonathan Cain calls it double platinum many times now, though it's never been certified double. But to me b/c I don't go with the double disc thing, I now call it platinum. Escape is 7x platinum, their best-selling album behind their GH. So I don't know why you're calling it only platinum and comparing it to Rev. I'm confused.

Revelation was successful. People can pick it apart all they want on the packaging, but it's the first time there was any buzz on their music in a long time. I'm not one to say they're like their heyday. Never will be. But a nice selling album for them after a long drought and at this point in their career with a lot of great music reviews.

[brywool]

That's like saying the Elvis band was more than just Elvis. Sure, the guys in the band were good players - the best. But it was Elvis' vocals and charisma that made the band popular.

Likewise, Journey owes their success to Steve Perry. If that were not true, Arnel would not be singing the hits that Steve Perry made famous. I realize you're a big Arnel fan, but let's face it man - he's basically working a Steve Perry tribute gig and nothing more.

It's funny how Arnel fans and even Neal himself tries to separate Journey's success from Steve Perry, but it just can't be done.

When will people stop trying to rob Steve Perry of his legacy? Why don't people try to do the same to Elvis? I just don't get it.

Imagine how ridiculous a post like this on some Elvis impersonator's fan forum would look:

Elvis Presley: The Elvis band was not just me. Elvis was an entity bigger than the pieces. It was the sum of the parts that made this bigger entity.

Well said and who can argue with that?

I can.

Well, if this is the case, then wouldn't the Solo albums have sold as much as the Journey albums?

[Don]

I believe one unforeseen thing that happened this year was the Glee factor and Bob Lefsetz was right to question Azoff about not going on the road this summer. Irving's attempt to create a lull as to create demand later sort of fell apart as Journey music is getting over saturation in the media right now. The British market especially where all three Glee covers hit the chart. There are writers over talking about the songs being overplayed and if it will reach burnout at some point in the next year, before Journey actually gets over there to take advantage of it.
Glee is due for one repeat season this summer before moving on to new material and that may truly create the vomit factor. Hell, even VH1 has got in the act by playing the Faithfully promo, really the worse cover out of all of them.
For my own personal thoughts on things, I have no problem waiting for new album if it's really going to be what Neal promised. As far as seeing the band live again, not really. I'd rather see Jeremey or one of the local So Cal tribute bands as their setlists have more of a chance of containing some of the B- sides or lesser hits which Journey rarely plays, (Stay Awhile, Send her my love, GCHI, etc.). I bought the three disc pack for Essential Journey about a month ago so I've done my part in supporting the guys who I consider as Journey.
Now if Cain, Schon, Smitty, Rolie (and if hell freezes over, Perry) swing by for a solo gig, I'll wholeheartedly support that also.

By the way, despite coming out way back in October, The Manila DVD hasn't been certified anything yet. I don't think people realize that in the music video market it doesn't take much to place high on the charts as the releases aren't as frequent as music releases. For the record, Journey's Greatest Hits DVD is 4X Platinum, while the Escape and 2001 DVD are Platinum.
And Revelation is still platinum.

As I read this post, 2 things come to mind. First, has anyone wondered what happens when this whole Glee phenomenon blows over? What will the general public will think of Journey music? With the younger kids, when they think of DSB they are gonna think of Glee. Now, when my boys were younger the fad was the Spice Girls and the New Kids on the Block. We ridicule groups like that now.

Second... Escape and Revelation are both considered platinum? WTF?! Here's a thought: Revelation costs about $11 if I remember right, in which you get 4 discs. That averages out to costing the consumer a little over $2.50 a disc. While that's a great deal for us as consumers, what does that possibly say about the quality of the product? If those were sold individually they would be found in the bottom of the bargain basement bin. Most of your 'elevator' type cover CDs at Walmart cost more than that. Now, I don't really care about that stuff, but when people try to suggest that Revelation is "platinum" especially when put beside an album like Escape, I feel the need to jump in. (Not referencing anyone in particular here, BTW.)

Revelation is platinum b/c Jonathan Cain calls it double platinum many times now, though it's never been certified double. But to me b/c I don't go with the double disc thing, I now call it platinum. Escape is 7x platinum, their best-selling album behind their GH. So I don't know why you're calling it only platinum and comparing it to Rev. I'm confused.

Revelation was successful. People can pick it apart all they want on the packaging, but it's the first time there was any buzz on their music in a long time. I'm not one to say they're like their heyday. Never will be. But a nice selling album for them after a long drought and at this point in their career with a lot of great music reviews.

I'm talking the Escape/ Houston show DVD. I mentioned Revelation lastly because I was looking at the RIAA page anyway earlier for new certifications this month and could see that it hasn't been re-certified anything beyond platinum.

Escape is 9X platinum by the way.

[Jana]

That's like saying the Elvis band was more than just Elvis. Sure, the guys in the band were good players - the best. But it was Elvis' vocals and charisma that made the band popular.

Likewise, Journey owes their success to Steve Perry. If that were not true, Arnel would not be singing the hits that Steve Perry made famous. I realize you're a big Arnel fan, but let's face it man - he's basically working a Steve Perry tribute gig and nothing more.

It's funny how Arnel fans and even Neal himself tries to separate Journey's success from Steve Perry, but it just can't be done.

When will people stop trying to rob Steve Perry of his legacy? Why don't people try to do the same to Elvis? I just don't get it.

Imagine how ridiculous a post like this on some Elvis impersonator's fan forum would look:

Elvis Presley: The Elvis band was not just me. Elvis was an entity bigger than the pieces. It was the sum of the parts that made this bigger entity.

Well said and who can argue with that?

I can.

Well, if this is the case, then wouldn't the Solo albums have sold as much as the Journey albums?

While Elvis could change his band members and it not affect his record sales. Apparently, Journey means something to fans since they made TBF platinum with Perry with Journey, but only made him gold without Neal and company. After all that time away, people missing him, and only Gold, and that's with him touring to promote the album. But Journey back together, bam, Platinum, without a tour to support it.

[Don]

I believe one unforeseen thing that happened this year was the Glee factor and Bob Lefsetz was right to question Azoff about not going on the road this summer. Irving's attempt to create a lull as to create demand later sort of fell apart as Journey music is getting over saturation in the media right now. The British market especially where all three Glee covers hit the chart. There are writers over talking about the songs being overplayed and if it will reach burnout at some point in the next year, before Journey actually gets over there to take advantage of it.
Glee is due for one repeat season this summer before moving on to new material and that may truly create the vomit factor. Hell, even VH1 has got in the act by playing the Faithfully promo, really the worse cover out of all of them.
For my own personal thoughts on things, I have no problem waiting for new album if it's really going to be what Neal promised. As far as seeing the band live again, not really. I'd rather see Jeremey or one of the local So Cal tribute bands as their setlists have more of a chance of containing some of the B- sides or lesser hits which Journey rarely plays, (Stay Awhile, Send her my love, GCHI, etc.). I bought the three disc pack for Essential Journey about a month ago so I've done my part in supporting the guys who I consider as Journey.
Now if Cain, Schon, Smitty, Rolie (and if hell freezes over, Perry) swing by for a solo gig, I'll wholeheartedly support that also.

By the way, despite coming out way back in October, The Manila DVD hasn't been certified anything yet. I don't think people realize that in the music video market it doesn't take much to place high on the charts as the releases aren't as frequent as music releases. For the record, Journey's Greatest Hits DVD is 4X Platinum, while the Escape and 2001 DVD are Platinum.
And Revelation is still platinum.

As I read this post, 2 things come to mind. First, has anyone wondered what happens when this whole Glee phenomenon blows over? What will the general public will think of Journey music? With the younger kids, when they think of DSB they are gonna think of Glee. Now, when my boys were younger the fad was the Spice Girls and the New Kids on the Block. We ridicule groups like that now.

Second... Escape and Revelation are both considered platinum? WTF?! Here's a thought: Revelation costs about $11 if I remember right, in which you get 4 discs. That averages out to costing the consumer a little over $2.50 a disc. While that's a great deal for us as consumers, what does that possibly say about the quality of the product? If those were sold individually they would be found in the bottom of the bargain basement bin. Most of your 'elevator' type cover CDs at Walmart cost more than that. Now, I don't really care about that stuff, but when people try to suggest that Revelation is "platinum" especially when put beside an album like Escape, I feel the need to jump in. (Not referencing anyone in particular here, BTW.)

Same thing I just said to Jana.

I'm talking the Escape/ Houston show DVD. I mentioned Revelation lastly because I was looking at the RIAA page anyway earlier for new certifications this month and could see that it hasn't been re-certified anything beyond platinum.

[Don]

Has Neal ever had a gold album as a solo artist, he's released enough of them. Shit, Cain has released more than him and how many solo albums has he sold total?

[Jana]

Has Neal ever had a gold album as a solo artist, he's released enough of them. Shit, Cain has released more than him and how many solo albums has he sold total?

Sorry, GB. I'm addressing Voyager's comparison of Perry to Elvis. You can't go off topic and confuse me.

[Rockindeano]

donna, to be fair, Revelation was only three discs, and although I consider to be a "garbage" release(retreads), it did go platinum. Have to give them respect where it's earned. Today's biggest stars, the real biggies are only selling 4 million tops, although that's for one disc, but nonetheless, revelation did sell enough to get the platinum label. Throwing on retreads and a mini live disc just cheapened the product IMO, but Journey fans of today don't really seem to anticipate a classy release. The more shit they get for the dollar, the better it is. I finally listened to Revelations and it's ok, nothing to write home about. But let's be very clear on something- without the Pineda factor, ie, the Asian fan, no way does this thing go platinum let alone gold.

[Don]

Has Neal ever had a gold album as a solo artist, he's released enough of them. Shit, Cain has released more than him and how many solo albums has he sold total?

Sorry, GB. I'm addressing Voyager's comparison of Perry to Elvis. You can't go off topic and confuse me.

I'm confused myself. I thought Elvis was in another thread.

[Rockindeano]

Has Neal ever had a gold album as a solo artist, he's released enough of them. Shit, Cain has released more than him and how many solo albums has he sold total?

Sorry, GB. I'm addressing Voyager's comparison of Perry to Elvis. You can't go off topic and confuse me.

Comparing Schon to Friga now? At least Schon had a Grammy nominated record. Oh as far as comparing anyone to Elvis, forget about it. He's the King for a reason, Perry included.

[Jana]

Has Neal ever had a gold album as a solo artist, he's released enough of them. Shit, Cain has released more than him and how many solo albums has he sold total?

Sorry, GB. I'm addressing Voyager's comparison of Perry to Elvis. You can't go off topic and confuse me.

I'm confused myself. I thought Elvis was in another thread.

Go back up to the big quote by Voyager and all the quotes ending with mine. It started with Elvis. Voyager is a sneaky bastard , he's spreading it into more than one thread.