Missed Opportunity

[Saint John]

TPO would absolutely suck if not for what Neal brought to them with his guitar work.

It does suck! That is one of the worst and whiniest songs in recorded history.

[Saint John]

But this is probably one of my favorite SJ posts, EVER ...I think I may cry!!

Don't make your mascara run on account of me.

[Don]

I can never picture, as much as I may try, Arnel at the end of the Piano telling Jon, try this, no let's speed it up a little, etc. It's more than lyrics, it's these guys jelling together and creating on the fly great music. That's what Steve and Jon were doing. They would get something going, then bring Neal over to toughen it up.
For those who will counter about Arnel writing great music in the Philippines, I don't think that is completely true. From what I can tell, it was Monnette Cajipe who did most of that, the arranging, composing etc. And their biggest hit, Pain In my Heart was a cover, it wasn't an original work by Arnel and the ZOO.
Arnel is a great singer but making great music is what makes Perry, Jon and Schon great ARTISTS. The ability to take a few notes, sprinkle it with words and make magic.

[Saint John]

I can never picture, as much as I may try Arnel at the end of the Piano telling Jon, try this, no lets speed it up a little ,etc. It's more than lyrics, it's these guys jelling together and creating on the fly great music. That's what Steve and Jon were doing. They would get something going, then bring Neal over to toughen it up.
For those who will counter about Arnel writing great music in the Philippines, I don't think that is completely true. From what I can tell, it was Monnette Cajipe who did most of that, the arranging, composing etc. And their biggest hit, Pain In my Heart was a cover, it wasn't an original work by Arnel and the ZOO.
Arnel is a great sionger but MAKING GREAT MUSI what makes Perry, Jon and Schon great ARTISTS. The ability to take a few notes, sprinkle it with words and make magic.

No doubt that there's some truth to this post (typos and all ), but Arnel spent some alone time with Neal in the P.I.(supposedly to see what he's got), and I'm expecting to see that chemistry, or lack of, on the next album. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Neal and Jon are not the only ones pulling strings behind this album.

[Author2]

So Cain writes most all the lyrics now....I have no doubt he wrote almost all the lyrics when he and SP were both in the band. I've never seen much documented on the subject of Perry's lyric writing, some themes and melodies, sure. On the other hand Cain has gone into some detail about writing Rubicon after doing some heavy reading, I think so discussion of how Trial By Fire came about and one that really jumps to mind is how he was working to write the verses of Be Good To Yourself and needed some input but Perry was off playing producer...probably calling drummers that couldn't hold Smitty's jock strap or lining up lunch.
Evidently Open Arms was finished before he even came to Journey as he had presented it to John Waite who called it rubbish, Perry probably stretched a one syllable word into eight syllables and called it additional lyrics. The mystery is how he didn't weasel a writing credit for Faithfully.
If Perry is such a great lyricist perhaps Lora can weigh in with some detail. I'm sure she's gained some insight from Perry or others from her years of working with him/them.

Waite crushed Cain when he called "OA" rubbish, but Perry put the crumbled Cain back together and they finished the song.

And Jon Cain's hits when Perry wasn't around?

The mystery of not "weasel" a credit for Faithfully, is that's the only son Cain actually wrote solo. But do you actually think Perry would sing any song w/o tweaking it.

"After All These Years' not a Faithfully." GQ 5'08' Perry wasn't around to write and tweak it, and of course, to sing and make it great.

Seems from that Cain post earlier, he may be missing that: "yes---even Steve Perry---"

Your Perry bash 'o' meter is always in full swing - must be related to SJ.

[NoMoreTails]

Waite crushed Cain when he called "OA" rubbish, but Perry put the crumbled Cain back together and they finished the song. .

Thanks for the correction, I had failed to remember that part of the story.

And Jon Cain's hits when Perry wasn't around?

I believe several of Journey's post Perry efforts would have been just as big as their greatest hits, had they come in the same era...yes, even without Perry's writing talents and vocals. In fact, I'm really surprised Cain hasn't shopped some of his Augeri and Pineda era ballads to country artists as much of that music tends to be classic rock influenced with a fiddle and a twangy voice thrown in to country-fy them.

Your Perry bash 'o' meter is always in full swing - must be related to SJ.

It always has been.
No, but I agree with most of what he says, his opinions on Journey now are much like Deano before he soured on the band, though not as rude and abusive to other posters...or if memory serves, Perry.
However, SJ and I probably disagreed alot during the Augeri era.

[Michigan Girl]

So Cain writes most all the lyrics now....I have no doubt he wrote almost all the lyrics when he and SP were both in the band. I've never seen much documented on the subject of Perry's lyric writing, some themes and melodies, sure. On the other hand Cain has gone into some detail about writing Rubicon after doing some heavy reading, I think so discussion of how Trial By Fire came about and one that really jumps to mind is how he was working to write the verses of Be Good To Yourself and needed some input but Perry was off playing producer...probably calling drummers that couldn't hold Smitty's jock strap or lining up lunch.
Evidently Open Arms was finished before he even came to Journey as he had presented it to John Waite who called it rubbish, Perry probably stretched a one syllable word into eight syllables and called it additional lyrics. The mystery is how he didn't weasel a writing credit for Faithfully.
If Perry is such a great lyricist perhaps Lora can weigh in with some detail. I'm sure she's gained some insight from Perry or others from her years of working with him/them.

Waite crushed Cain when he called "OA" rubbish, but Perry put the crumbled Cain back together and they finished the song.

And Jon Cain's hits when Perry wasn't around?

The mystery of not "weasel" a credit for Faithfully, is that's the only son Cain actually wrote solo. But do you actually think Perry would sing any song w/o tweaking it.

"After All These Years' not a Faithfully." GQ 5'08' Perry wasn't around to write and tweak it, and of course, to sing and make it great.

Seems from that Cain post earlier, he may be missing that: "yes---even Steve Perry---"

Your Perry bash 'o' meter is always in full swing - must be related to SJ.

I love this guy!!

[NoMoreTails]

So Cain writes most all the lyrics now....I have no doubt he wrote almost all the lyrics when he and SP were both in the band. I've never seen much documented on the subject of Perry's lyric writing, some themes and melodies, sure. On the other hand Cain has gone into some detail about writing Rubicon after doing some heavy reading, I think so discussion of how Trial By Fire came about and one that really jumps to mind is how he was working to write the verses of Be Good To Yourself and needed some input but Perry was off playing producer...probably calling drummers that couldn't hold Smitty's jock strap or lining up lunch.
Evidently Open Arms was finished before he even came to Journey as he had presented it to John Waite who called it rubbish, Perry probably stretched a one syllable word into eight syllables and called it additional lyrics. The mystery is how he didn't weasel a writing credit for Faithfully.
If Perry is such a great lyricist perhaps Lora can weigh in with some detail. I'm sure she's gained some insight from Perry or others from her years of working with him/them.

Waite crushed Cain when he called "OA" rubbish, but Perry put the crumbled Cain back together and they finished the song.

And Jon Cain's hits when Perry wasn't around?

The mystery of not "weasel" a credit for Faithfully, is that's the only son Cain actually wrote solo. But do you actually think Perry would sing any song w/o tweaking it.

"After All These Years' not a Faithfully." GQ 5'08' Perry wasn't around to write and tweak it, and of course, to sing and make it great.

Seems from that Cain post earlier, he may be missing that: "yes---even Steve Perry---"

Your Perry bash 'o' meter is always in full swing - must be related to SJ.

I love this guy!!

Me? Or is A2 a guy?

[Red13JoePa]

So Cain writes most all the lyrics now....I have no doubt he wrote almost all the lyrics when he and SP were both in the band. I've never seen much documented on the subject of Perry's lyric writing, some themes and melodies, sure. On the other hand Cain has gone into some detail about writing Rubicon after doing some heavy reading, I think so discussion of how Trial By Fire came about and one that really jumps to mind is how he was working to write the verses of Be Good To Yourself and needed some input but Perry was off playing producer...probably calling drummers that couldn't hold Smitty's jock strap or lining up lunch.
Evidently Open Arms was finished before he even came to Journey as he had presented it to John Waite who called it rubbish, Perry probably stretched a one syllable word into eight syllables and called it additional lyrics. The mystery is how he didn't weasel a writing credit for Faithfully.
If Perry is such a great lyricist perhaps Lora can weigh in with some detail. I'm sure she's gained some insight from Perry or others from her years of working with him/them.

Waite crushed Cain when he called "OA" rubbish, but Perry put the crumbled Cain back together and they finished the song.

And Jon Cain's hits when Perry wasn't around?

The mystery of not "weasel" a credit for Faithfully, is that's the only son Cain actually wrote solo. But do you actually think Perry would sing any song w/o tweaking it.

"After All These Years' not a Faithfully." GQ 5'08' Perry wasn't around to write and tweak it, and of course, to sing and make it great.

Seems from that Cain post earlier, he may be missing that: "yes---even Steve Perry---"

Your Perry bash 'o' meter is always in full swing - must be related to SJ.

I love this guy!!

You deciphered that post?

[Michigan Girl]

Waite crushed Cain when he called "OA" rubbish, but Perry put the crumbled Cain back together and they finished the song.

And Jon Cain's hits when Perry wasn't around? WHERE ARE THEY?!?!
The mystery of not "weaseling" a credit for Faithfully, if that's the only song Cain actually wrote solo. But do you actually think Perry would sing any song w/o tweaking it.

"After All These Years' is not a Faithfully." GQ 5'08' ???Perry wasn't around to write and tweak it, and of course, to sing and make it great.

Seems from that Cain post earlier, he may be missing that: "yes---even Steve Perry---" read earlier posts for clarificationYour Perry bash 'o' meter is always in full swing - must be related to SJ.

I love this guy!!

You deciphered that post?

Sure!! except the GQ 5'8' part?!?

[Saint John]

Waite crushed Cain when he called "OA" rubbish, but Perry put the crumbled Cain back together and they finished the song.

Yeah, ok. Who is the one that can't mix an old tape without putting his down and crying, won't talk about the current state of the band, can't talk about his voice and avoids any questions about why he can't or won't sing? That's your fragile little man that would "crumble." But you expect us to believe that a guy that's been on the road and touring for 40 years, as opposed to the flash in the pan that couldn't hack a decade, is the one that's soft? Beat it, junior.

But do you actually think Perry would sing any song w/o tweaking it.

I think the more important question is this; do you actually think he would contribute to a song and not take credit? Thanks for trying.


Perry could never do anything alone, but it seems like Neal and Jon could:

"We had sort of a three-way thing going where Jon and I would do something, Neal would bring in a bridge, or Neal and I would do something, and Jon would do the lyrics." Steve Perry

[Ehwmatt]

Waite crushed Cain when he called "OA" rubbish, but Perry put the crumbled Cain back together and they finished the song.

Yeah, ok. Who is the one that can't mix an old tape without putting his down and crying, won't talk about the current state of the band, can't talk about his voice and avoids any questions about why he can't or won't sing? That's your fragile little man that would "crumble." But you expect us to believe that a guy that's been on the road and touring for 40 years, as opposed to the flash in the pan that couldn't hack a decade, is the one that's soft? Beat it, junior.

[Art Vandelay]

Waite crushed Cain when he called "OA" rubbish, but Perry put the crumbled Cain back together and they finished the song.

Yeah, ok. Who is the one that can't mix an old tape without putting his down and crying, won't talk about the current state of the band, can't talk about his voice and avoids any questions about why he can't or won't sing? That's your fragile little man that would "crumble." But you expect us to believe that a guy that's been on the road and touring for 40 years, as opposed to the flash in the pan that couldn't hack a decade, is the one that's soft? Beat it, junior.

[Saint John]

Waite crushed Cain when he called "OA" rubbish, but Perry put the crumbled Cain back together and they finished the song.

Yeah, ok. Who is the one that can't mix an old tape without putting his down and crying, won't talk about the current state of the band, can't talk about his voice and avoids any questions about why he can't or won't sing? That's your fragile little man that would "crumble." But you expect us to believe that a guy that's been on the road and touring for 40 years, as opposed to the flash in the pan that couldn't hack a decade, is the one that's soft? Beat it, junior.