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[Majestic]

I just read this cat's review on Amazon:

The last Journey album Revelation was good. Now comes this overblown piece of crap. I predict it will be one of the worst selling Journey albums ever. There are no singles on this album. 95% of these songs are way too long. When the shortest song is 3:36 long and the longest one is nearly SEVEN MINUTES LONG, you know you are in for an extremely LONG listen. Thankfully, I did not buy the physical cd, I will just delete this pretentious hunk of crap off my hard drive. Not worth even $7.99. Only Wal Mart stores are gonna stock this. Save money, live better, don't waste your hard earned dough on this crap.

S2M is that you?

That's not even a review, it's just racist steam blowing. Most of the reviews are very favorable there, so far. I think some of the awesome reviewers here out to post them on Amazon. I may have to write one myself!

What's racist about it? It's a negative review. Big deal! Some people aren't going to like the album. Get over it.

You had to read the title of the review, to know why. No big deal if someone writes a bad review with me, if it's about the music.

[jrny84]

Currently as of 5/26/11 @ 12:47 pm Eastern:

#5 on MP3 Downloads Best Sellers in Rock Albums (previously #3)
#23 on MP3 albums (previously #17)
#13 on Hot New Releases in Rock albums (previously #2)
Went from #17 yesterday to completly dropping out of the movers list

[Don]

268 vbr, if anyone's interested. Also, down to #27 on the chart.

[jrny84]

268 vbr, if anyone's interested. Also, down to #27 on the chart.

This album just doesnt seem to have much staying power/momentum. Only the 3rd day and its dropped quite a bit. Dont mean to be negative, but I thought it would have at least cracked the top ten for a few days.

[Majestic]

268 vbr, if anyone's interested. Also, down to #27 on the chart.

This album just doesnt seem to have much staying power/momentum. Only the 3rd day and its dropped quite a bit. Dont mean to be negative, but I thought it would have at least cracked the top ten for a few days.

Do you think it has something to do with the nonbelievers here *cough-michigan girl-cough*? Just sayin'

[Don]

268 vbr, if anyone's interested. Also, down to #27 on the chart.

This album just doesnt seem to have much staying power/momentum. Only the 3rd day and its dropped quite a bit. Dont mean to be negative, but I thought it would have at least cracked the top ten for a few days.

Do you think it has something to do with the nonbelievers here *cough-michigan girl-cough*? Just sayin'

I think it's more to do with no link on the official website nor a mention in any of the interviews that the album is available (and two dollars cheaper) at Amazon. The band is still saying Wal-Mart exclusive in their interviews yet if you cruise on over to the Wal-Mart music site to download this album, it's not available. Not everyone is into buying CDs anymore.

[Majestic]

268 vbr, if anyone's interested. Also, down to #27 on the chart.

This album just doesnt seem to have much staying power/momentum. Only the 3rd day and its dropped quite a bit. Dont mean to be negative, but I thought it would have at least cracked the top ten for a few days.

Do you think it has something to do with the nonbelievers here *cough-michigan girl-cough*? Just sayin'

I think it's more to do with no link on the official website nor a mention in any of the interviews that the album is available (and two dollars cheaper) at Amazon. The band is still saying Wal-Mart exclusive in their interviews yet if you cruise on over to the Wal-Mart music site to download this album, it's not available. Not everyone is into buying CDs anymore.

Good call. In fact, with so few people buying actual disks, that's a big faux pas, in my opinion.

[FishinMagician]

I don't understand why there is no promotion for Eclipse, are they that broke? Neal must have spent all the advertising money on new guitars

[jrny84]

I don't understand why there is no promotion for Eclipse, are they that broke? Neal must have spent all the advertising money on new guitars

I know! Its really weird. I mean come on a pop rock band that has been around for 30+ years, sold 90million albums+, and they cant afford to actually promote their work? At least a commerical about the album being released or a late night show appearence.

[steveo777]

I don't understand why there is no promotion for Eclipse, are they that broke? Neal must have spent all the advertising money on new guitars

I know! Its really weird. I mean come on a pop rock band that has been around for 30+ years, sold 90million albums+, and they cant afford to actually promote their work? At least a commerical about the album being released or a late night show appearence.

I think the band doesn't care how many albums this sells, or maybe they are hoping it will just grow wings and soar with no help, just a tour.

[jrny84]

Eclipse continues to fall down the ladder to #30 on amazon albums.

The way its going by Friday or early Saturday it will probably be out of the top 40 and its only day 4. On a positive note for any Cars/Rick Ocasek fans out there "Move like This" continues to go strong.

[jrny84]

Well its safe to say that Eclipse in the US is dead in the water. It continues to drastically fall down the mp3 charts, now at #45 on mp3 albums bestsellers and #11 on mp3 rock albums. No momentum with this thing at all.

[Don]

I don't understand why there is no promotion for Eclipse, are they that broke? Neal must have spent all the advertising money on new guitars

I know! Its really weird. I mean come on a pop rock band that has been around for 30+ years, sold 90million albums+, and they cant afford to actually promote their work? At least a commerical about the album being released or a late night show appearence.

I think the band doesn't care how many albums this sells, or maybe they are hoping it will just grow wings and soar with no help, just a tour.

Well, if they want to distribute their next album at their own expense, that would make sense. Wal-mart didn't pay Exclusivity rights for Journey not to care if the album sells or not.

[annie89509]

The racism argument is tired anyway. Not every review is going to be a good one. The majority of Journey fans grew up on the ballads and weren't exactly clamoring for Journey to change their style ( the continuing popularity of the Greatest Hits shows people are pretty happy with Journey as they were). If a number of fans are disappointed with this release, there is nothing wrong with that.

I'm with Don. No mention of Arnel or the singing...just that the songs were too long and he/she didn't like the songs in the album. How does that add up to being a racist???? Should all the people that buy this cd because Arnel is on it, even though they might not like these songs or be hardcore fans, called anti-racists?

[steveo777]

The racism argument is tired anyway. Not every review is going to be a good one. The majority of Journey fans grew up on the ballads and weren't exactly clamoring for Journey to change their style ( the continuing popularity of the Greatest Hits shows people are pretty happy with Journey as they were). If a number of fans are disappointed with this release, there is nothing wrong with that.

I'm with Don. No mention of Arnel or the singing...just that the songs were too long and he/she didn't like the songs in the album. How does that add up to being a racist???? Should all the people that buy this cd because Arnel is on it, even though they might not like these songs or be hardcore fans, called anti-racists?

The only reason racist was even mentioned is because the guy used the term "philippine dialect" in the title of his review.

[annie89509]

The racism argument is tired anyway. Not every review is going to be a good one. The majority of Journey fans grew up on the ballads and weren't exactly clamoring for Journey to change their style ( the continuing popularity of the Greatest Hits shows people are pretty happy with Journey as they were). If a number of fans are disappointed with this release, there is nothing wrong with that.

I'm with Don. No mention of Arnel or the singing...just that the songs were too long and he/she didn't like the songs in the album. How does that add up to being a racist???? Should all the people that buy this cd because Arnel is on it, even though they might not like these songs or be hardcore fans, called anti-racists?

The only reason racist was even mentioned is because the guy used the term "philippine dialect" in the title of his review.

Oh....I did't see a title....you just posted the text of the review...

[Monker]

I don't understand why there is no promotion for Eclipse, are they that broke? Neal must have spent all the advertising money on new guitars

I know! Its really weird. I mean come on a pop rock band that has been around for 30+ years, sold 90million albums+, and they cant afford to actually promote their work? At least a commerical about the album being released or a late night show appearence.

I think the band doesn't care how many albums this sells, or maybe they are hoping it will just grow wings and soar with no help, just a tour.

Well, if they want to distribute their next album at their own expense, that would make sense. Wal-mart didn't pay Exclusivity rights for Journey not to care if the album sells or not.[/quote

Exactly.

And, Journey has never really done much promotion ON THEIR OWN. About all they do is radio shows, a tour, and a TV appearence here and there. The best promotion Journey can get is to get on the radio...THAT is what sells albums for them...and this CD is not being played.

[Monker]

Eclipse continues to fall down the ladder to #30 on amazon albums.

The way its going by Friday or early Saturday it will probably be out of the top 40 and its only day 4. On a positive note for any Cars/Rick Ocasek fans out there "Move like This" continues to go strong.

And, I have heard their new single on the radio...a few times. So, that does not surprise me at all.

[Behshad]

I don't understand why there is no promotion for Eclipse, are they that broke? Neal must have spent all the advertising money on new guitars

I know! Its really weird. I mean come on a pop rock band that has been around for 30+ years, sold 90million albums+, and they cant afford to actually promote their work? At least a commerical about the album being released or a late night show appearence.

I think the band doesn't care how many albums this sells, or maybe they are hoping it will just grow wings and soar with no help, just a tour.

Well, if they want to distribute their next album at their own expense, that would make sense. Wal-mart didn't pay Exclusivity rights for Journey not to care if the album sells or not.

Exactly.

And, Journey has never really done much promotion ON THEIR OWN. About all they do is radio shows, a tour, and a TV appearence here and there. The best promotion Journey can get is to get on the radio...THAT is what sells albums for them...and this CD is not being played.

And the reason Journey doesn't get much radio time is because the biggest stations that play Journeys music are the ones who play classic rock and if they're gonna play any Journey songs it'll be the dirty 12.

[Liquid_Drummer]

This is a fun interview though one thing that struck me as weird was when asked where people could download Eclipse, Neal said it was exclusive to Wal-Mart for the next six to eight months. How can the band not know it's on Amazon?

http://pnyr.big1059.com/cc-common/media ... -IP&TRACK=

Do yourself a favor guys and gals. AVOID MP3's !!! If you use apple try to get apple lossless files. They are bigger but the reason for that is because all of the audio information is there. Mp3's are small because they are taking things out.

Mp3's are lowering the standard for music fidelity, they have lowered the standard for audio listening and production as well. I have amazed my friends by showing them the difference between mp3's and the retail discs. The thing is that you have to have VERY GOOD speakers and amp.however you can do it on the cheap too. Some nice earbuds like Shure makes for use as in ear monitors (at a decent price too) will reveal the difference as they are a giant leap over standard buds. Most if not all apple devices will play apple lossless formats if I am not mistaken however not everything is available in that format. Get it if you can. Do you really need 300 albums on your ipod ? I would rather have 50 that sound amazing..

Mp3s hide so much nuance and detail. I have listened to this album in both formats and as usual, newer music being that it is mastered so much louder than 10 years ago makes the mp3 issue even worse. Sloshy treble, crushed midrange and bass loses top end definition. Thing is, until you have heard the difference you probably dont know what you are missing. Hotel California has a piano in it. I didnt know that until I spent some modest money on my receiver and speakers. Its WAY back but to my shock it is there. Hard to hear on the regular cd and easier on the remasters as well as the high def 5.1 mix. Point being that you might be surprised by what you never knew was there. Trust me when I say this though. Hearing Perry through this setup I have now... Fuck..... Thats all I can say.....

From an audio standpoint this CD sounds amazing. It is not mastered as hot as most new releases. It is clear without being harsh, heavy without being over bearing but just a bit hot in the midrange no doubt to facilitate the guitars being so upfront as that is where they sit in the eq spectrum. Sounds MUCH better than the last cd and is very honest. I hear impefections in places. A couple of vocal croaks that are very minor. I appreciate their honesty.

Just say no to compressed music !

[Liquid_Drummer]

268 vbr, if anyone's interested. Also, down to #27 on the chart.

This album just doesnt seem to have much staying power/momentum. Only the 3rd day and its dropped quite a bit. Dont mean to be negative, but I thought it would have at least cracked the top ten for a few days.

They had a story last time that helped them. Arnels rise from being homeless to the front man for Journey did them more favors than they will ever admit. That has worn off. It moved a lot more discs because it was all over the damn news for a bit. Tons of free press thanks to the rags to riches story. Now, they are just another band with no fairy tale to help push sales. The music will do it or it will die on the vine. Dont care, I love it !

[Rick]

This is a fun interview though one thing that struck me as weird was when asked where people could download Eclipse, Neal said it was exclusive to Wal-Mart for the next six to eight months. How can the band not know it's on Amazon?

http://pnyr.big1059.com/cc-common/media ... -IP&TRACK=

Do yourself a favor guys and gals. AVOID MP3's !!! If you use apple try to get apple lossless files. They are bigger but the reason for that is because all of the audio information is there. Mp3's are small because they are taking things out.

Mp3's are lowering the standard for music fidelity, they have lowered the standard for audio listening and production as well. I have amazed my friends by showing them the difference between mp3's and the retail discs. The thing is that you have to have VERY GOOD speakers and amp.however you can do it on the cheap too. Some nice earbuds like Shure makes for use as in ear monitors (at a decent price too) will reveal the difference as they are a giant leap over standard buds. Most if not all apple devices will play apple lossless formats if I am not mistaken however not everything is available in that format. Get it if you can. Do you really need 300 albums on your ipod ? I would rather have 50 that sound amazing..

Mp3s hide so much nuance and detail. I have listened to this album in both formats and as usual, newer music being that it is mastered so much louder than 10 years ago makes the mp3 issue even worse. Sloshy treble, crushed midrange and bass loses top end definition. Thing is, until you have heard the difference you probably dont know what you are missing. Hotel California has a piano in it. I didnt know that until I spent some modest money on my receiver and speakers. Its WAY back but to my shock it is there. Hard to hear on the regular cd and easier on the remasters as well as the high def 5.1 mix. Point being that you might be surprised by what you never knew was there. Trust me when I say this though. Hearing Perry through this setup I have now... Fuck..... Thats all I can say.....

From an audio standpoint this CD sounds amazing. It is not mastered as hot as most new releases. It is clear without being harsh, heavy without being over bearing but just a bit hot in the midrange no doubt to facilitate the guitars being so upfront as that is where they sit in the eq spectrum. Sounds MUCH better than the last cd and is very honest. I hear impefections in places. A couple of vocal croaks that are very minor. I appreciate their honesty.

Just say no to compressed music !

Is it possible to import your purchased CD into iTunes with the lossless format and then put it on the iPod?

[Don]

The Amazon link has found its way on to the main site on the album review page it seems. In other news, Wal-Mart is now offering digital downloads of the album for $9.00. Maybe some kind of weird agreement where Amazon got the first three days exclusively?

[steveo777]

The Amazon link has found its way on to the main site on the album review page it seems. In other news, Wal-Mart is now offering digital downloads of the album for $9.00. Maybe some kind of weird agreement where Amazon got the first three days exclusively?

Sound samples are posted on WM now too.

I noticed some of the reviews there too. Do you ever just feel someone posts something out of a need to sabotage something?

This one sure comes across that way.

I was really excited when Journey announced a new studio album. But this material just isn't up to par. Overhyped online, no promotion on TV, Radio or in stores. The new singer can't hit the high notes, Schon can't play a guitar solo to save his life, Valory looks dead in all the promo photos, Cain looks bored and Deen should go join an actual rock band. Overall the new material is boring, muddy and can't hold a candle to the past or even give hope of a future. Don't bother picking this disc up, even for 10.00 when there's only 2 decent tracks on it.

[Don]

Eclipse is currently #16 on Amazon Japan's mp3 download chart but not even in the top 100 for the CD.

[Monker]

I don't understand why there is no promotion for Eclipse, are they that broke? Neal must have spent all the advertising money on new guitars

I know! Its really weird. I mean come on a pop rock band that has been around for 30+ years, sold 90million albums+, and they cant afford to actually promote their work? At least a commerical about the album being released or a late night show appearence.

I think the band doesn't care how many albums this sells, or maybe they are hoping it will just grow wings and soar with no help, just a tour.

Well, if they want to distribute their next album at their own expense, that would make sense. Wal-mart didn't pay Exclusivity rights for Journey not to care if the album sells or not.

Exactly.

And, Journey has never really done much promotion ON THEIR OWN. About all they do is radio shows, a tour, and a TV appearence here and there. The best promotion Journey can get is to get on the radio...THAT is what sells albums for them...and this CD is not being played.

And the reason Journey doesn't get much radio time is because the biggest stations that play Journeys music are the ones who play classic rock and if they're gonna play any Journey songs it'll be the dirty 12.

Oh, I heard "Higher Place" a LOT on the radio...and the entire Red13 EP.

And, Journey is no different then Tom Petty or the Cars, who I have also heard new songs from.

So, whatever...I think Journey just stopped trying.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, I heard "Higher Place" a LOT on the radio...and the entire Red13 EP.

Get real. Sure, maybe you heard it on some low wattage rock station out in corn country, iowa, but in terms of real measurable chart success, only "After All These Years" has made a real dent.

[yulog]

268 vbr, if anyone's interested. Also, down to #27 on the chart.

I dont know why anyone would pay for anything less than 320, even at that bit rate your losing quality over a cd.