Where the hell is Journey?

[Don]

When is Journey playing the morning show?
They'll probably play DSB, so I guess it won't matter.

That's in July I think and they're also doing the Sunday morning show to talk about the 30th Anniversary of Escape. It's all about the past as far as the media is concerned.

[ebake02]

I call bullshit on the Lady Gaga numbers.

[Don]

I call bullshit on the Lady Gaga numbers. Nobody sells 1 million plus in a week anymore.

When Amazon decides to sell your album at 99¢ for two days, you do. The funny thing is 70% of the purchases were for the over priced 18 dollar deluxe pack so no money was lost at all, in fact major profit was still attained. The package expected to sell the least sold the most.

[ebake02]

I call bullshit on the Lady Gaga numbers. Nobody sells 1 million plus in a week anymore.

When Amazon decides to sell your album at 99¢ for two days, you do.

Those numbers shouldn't count, seems very unfair to all the other artists who released an album this week. The .99¢ deal drew people there, after all, it did crash Amazon's servers.

[steveo777]

I call bullshit on the Lady Gaga numbers. Nobody sells 1 million plus in a week anymore.

When Amazon decides to sell your album at 99¢ for two days, you do.

Those numbers shouldn't count, seems very unfair to all the other artists who released an album this week. The .99¢ deal drew people there, after all, it did crash Amazon's servers.

I don't think chart positions and RIAA standings care what the album sold for.

[Don]

I call bullshit on the Lady Gaga numbers. Nobody sells 1 million plus in a week anymore.

When Amazon decides to sell your album at 99¢ for two days, you do.

Those numbers shouldn't count, seems very unfair to all the other artists who released an album this week. The .99¢ deal drew people there, after all, it did crash Amazon's servers.

If Intercope did it, they wouldn't but that was Amazon's idea.

[steveo777]

Look how much GaGa is all over media. She gets promoted at every turn.

[Don]

I call bullshit on the Lady Gaga numbers. Nobody sells 1 million plus in a week anymore.

When Amazon decides to sell your album at 99¢ for two days, you do.

Those numbers shouldn't count, seems very unfair to all the other artists who released an album this week. The .99¢ deal drew people there, after all, it did crash Amazon's servers.

I don't think chart positions and RIAA standings care what the album sold for.

Billboard cares. They threw out about 130,000 Gaga sales for breaking Street Date. By rights, Journey should lose some sales too but they're not really on anyone's radar this week, just Gaga and Paisley.

[Argus]

I call bullshit on the Lady Gaga numbers. Nobody sells 1 million plus in a week anymore.

When Amazon decides to sell your album at 99¢ for two days, you do.

Those numbers shouldn't count, seems very unfair to all the other artists who released an album this week. The .99¢ deal drew people there, after all, it did crash Amazon's servers.

If Intercope did it, they wouldn't but that was Amazon's idea.

A wise artist/management would see who was releasing cds that week and plan accordingly. Know Thy Market or Make Thy Market. We all noticed that GaGa was releasing, sounded warning alarms. I suppose this is similar to Tall Stories and Nirvana. *shrug*

[Monker]

And there the illusion went that Arnel had anything to do with the upsurge (relatively speaking) in sales for Revelation and the subsequent tour... On the other hand, the factors in question were: the Walmart pricing and the DSB success intertwining. But they can't live on that forever, and projected sales of 25k-30k for the new album shows this.

Didn't some of you predict this to be in the top 3?

funny how the yes-men suddenly go completely silent when reality hits home.

[Don]

And there the illusion went that Arnel had anything to do with the upsurge (relatively speaking) in sales for Revelation and the subsequent tour... On the other hand, the factors in question were: the Walmart pricing and the DSB success intertwining. But they can't live on that forever, and projected sales of 25k-30k for the new album shows this.

Didn't some of you predict this to be in the top 3?

funny how the yes-men suddenly go completely silent when reality hits home.

I picked it to be at #2. If that makes me a yes man, please let the plokkers know so they will stop burning me in effigy.

[steveo777]

And there the illusion went that Arnel had anything to do with the upsurge (relatively speaking) in sales for Revelation and the subsequent tour... On the other hand, the factors in question were: the Walmart pricing and the DSB success intertwining. But they can't live on that forever, and projected sales of 25k-30k for the new album shows this.

Didn't some of you predict this to be in the top 3?

funny how the yes-men suddenly go completely silent when reality hits home.

Funny how the naysayers look for a reason to gloat when the fucking thing hasn't even had a full weeks run yet.

[YoungJRNY]

Simply lays on all of Journey management and PR advertisement and marketing. How could a big sum of people buy something they don't even know what's out? For Revelation, Journey was everywhere promoting, and I mean EVERYWHERE. Nothing for Eclipse. Nada. A shame they dropped the ball with that. Isn't a first reaction to selling a new album is "..lets promote the shit out of it.." ?

My out-look? SUCKS TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW or who DIDN'T BUY IT. As long as I have it, that's all that matters.

[Monker]

And there the illusion went that Arnel had anything to do with the upsurge (relatively speaking) in sales for Revelation and the subsequent tour... On the other hand, the factors in question were: the Walmart pricing and the DSB success intertwining. But they can't live on that forever, and projected sales of 25k-30k for the new album shows this.

Didn't some of you predict this to be in the top 3?

funny how the yes-men suddenly go completely silent when reality hits home.

Funny how the naysayers look for a reason to gloat when the fucking thing hasn't even had a full weeks run yet.[/quote

If I were a nay-sayer, I would have said it would not even by in the top 20 and only sell 15,000 at most. I said you all should be thankful if it reaches 50,000 (and you should have been), and not in the top 5....which is dead on accurate.

Spouting predictions of 125,000 in the first week and #1 or 2 on the charts is ridiculously laughable as is saying the album would be platinum and outsell Revelation. Nobody knows about this album, no single, no radio at all, no promotion, nothing except a bunch of over zealous fan-boys on an internet forum spouting off fantasies. Nobody cares about hearing a new 'rock' sound from Journey. Journey assured that when they chose the path they did with Revelation and abandoned those who DID care for some type of growth or change, and not just hanging on to the past. If this is what Neal really wants, he may as well start a new band and end Journey...there is really no difference any longer. That is called REALITY...not just being negative out of malice for the band.

And, as far as 'gloating'...plenty of that happened after Revelation was released...so turn about and all that.

[Monker]

Simply lays on all of Journey management and PR advertisement and marketing. How could a big sum of people buy something they don't even know what's out? For Revelation, Journey was everywhere promoting, and I mean EVERYWHERE. Nothing for Eclipse. Nada. A shame they dropped the ball with that. Isn't a first reaction to selling a new album is "..lets promote the shit out of it.." ?

My out-look? SUCKS TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW or who DIDN'T BUY IT. As long as I have it, that's all that matters.

Funny how promotion is supposed to happen BEFORE an album is released...

But, it is only NOW when you start seeing the numbers that whiners start understanding that. But, prior to this week, the people in this forum still predicted a huge hit.

Funny, Wednesday night I heard "Stone In Love" on my way to dinner and then "Who's Cryin' Now" on the say back. Journey is doing fine...jbut only the nostalgic songs.

[Monker]

And there the illusion went that Arnel had anything to do with the upsurge (relatively speaking) in sales for Revelation and the subsequent tour... On the other hand, the factors in question were: the Walmart pricing and the DSB success intertwining. But they can't live on that forever, and projected sales of 25k-30k for the new album shows this.

Didn't some of you predict this to be in the top 3?

funny how the yes-men suddenly go completely silent when reality hits home.

I picked it to be at #2. If that makes me a yes man, please let the plokkers know so they will stop burning me in effigy.

With GaGa's obvious #1 coming out...yes, it does. You were implying that if GaGa wasn't releasing that Eclipse would be a #1 album.

But, it's irrelevent anyway...anybody with any realistic view of this should have seen that there was no way in hell that Eclipse was going to sell much considering how low profile the release was. You should have taken off your rose colored glasses before reality punched you in your face and broke them.

[jestor92]

Anyone who thought this album would sell well was/is out of their mind. Revelations sold well for a few reasons.

#1. 3 discs, one new stuff, one GH cd, and one DVD. People probably saw that and were like "a JRNY GH cd and dvd along with some new stuff for $12 I'll give it a try. They were good back in the 80's."
#2. Revelations sucked. If I'm a casual fan and I pick up a new cd by an old group and it isn't good, I'm not buying their next album. Revelations save for a few tracks...sucked.
#3. Solo disc for $10 at Wal Mart = boring. No idea why they didn't give the fans a reason to buy the album. Yes new music is good, but for an old group who is 3 vocalists away from their prime they should've recorded one of their recent concerts and put it on CD and released it as a 2nd cd to go along with Eclipse.

[DrFU]

Maybe the band is continuing the circle of life theme with the marketing and promotion. Make music you like, put it out there, and whatever will be will be. Back to where they were with albums 1-3 .

It really is a whole different world these days with CD sales. The "music" section in my local Wal Mart (big store in a town w/ 50,000 college kids) is one side of a short aisle.

[jrny84]

So has anyone heard the position it reached on billboard?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Revelations sucked. If I'm a casual fan and I pick up a new cd by an old group and it isn't good, I'm not buying their next album. Revelations save for a few tracks...sucked.

Great album.

[jestor92]

Revelations sucked. If I'm a casual fan and I pick up a new cd by an old group and it isn't good, I'm not buying their next album. Revelations save for a few tracks...sucked.

Great album.

I guess to each is to their own. IMO it was their worst effort with a lead vocalist. I rank it only ahead of the first 3 albums because I'm not a fan of the type of music that was on the first 3 albums, but even those albums have some songs that are better than anything on Revelations in my book.

[Behshad]

Revelations sucked. If I'm a casual fan and I pick up a new cd by an old group and it isn't good, I'm not buying their next album. Revelations save for a few tracks...sucked.

Great album.

Really ?

[steveo777]

Revelations sucked. If I'm a casual fan and I pick up a new cd by an old group and it isn't good, I'm not buying their next album. Revelations save for a few tracks...sucked.

Great album.

Really ?

Ur-anus

[Behshad]

Revelations sucked. If I'm a casual fan and I pick up a new cd by an old group and it isn't good, I'm not buying their next album. Revelations save for a few tracks...sucked.

Great album.

Really ?

Ur-anus

wow, how funny ! dont you have to draw a bath and shave your legs ? Eclipse is calling your name