Why Journey needs Perry

[Gideon]

There is NOTHING on Eclipse that rocks as much as the outro to Edge of the Blade.....quit fooling yourselves.

Depends on your definition of rocking. I've listened to both Edge of the Blade and Edge of the Moment in my stereo and based on strength of the instruments, EOTM rocks harder IMHO. Heavier bass, more rhythm guitar, and better drumwork.

[Rick]

Andrew's preview clips he posted maybe? That's how I found out I'd wait to buy a used copy for $2 to listen to it.

The preview clips do no justice to these songs. They are long songs with lots of twists and turns. She's a Mystery has to be listened to in its entirety, for example.

I agree. Escape, for example, is a song that takes a different direction at one point. The songs on Eclipse do that as well. You couldn't get much of an idea about Escape if you listened to just 20 seconds of it.

[Majestic]

Well, some people were surprised, but it wasn't me.

Get over yourself, dude. You also claimed Revelation would flop and it sold big time. The wise old sage act is getting pretty stale. These days, you seem more vested in calling out Journey's incompetent business decisions than anything. Have you even heard Eclipse?

Revelation was aided by fuzzy math, Arnel's rags to riches, plokkerville, and Oprah....you can divide the Revelation's numbers by 3. Then the final number can be thanked to Arnel's story. Noone's(this word has always looked funny to me) wanting to be negative on purpose....we just have a differing opinion.

Dude, it sold big. If you can't accept that, it's you doing the fuzzy math, not Journey. Don posted all the real numbers just the other day. I suspect you may have seen it, and I'm too lazy to link it anyway. Some how I doubt it'd make a difference with you.

The fact is that the Revelation PACKAGE sold well. Revelation did not do it on its own. THAT is the point. We'll never know how well REvelation would have done on its own because it will never be sold and counted without the rerecords and DVD.

How does your insertion of "PACKAGE" to the title change anything? Revelation was what it was. It's not as if one could choose to buy either "Revelation" or the "Revelation PACKAGE," so I don't get the point you are trying to make other than smoke and mirrors to make even a Journey success look like a failure. So what's your agenda? Better yet, why?

[S2M]

There is NOTHING on Eclipse that rocks as much as the outro to Edge of the Blade.....quit fooling yourselves.

Depends on your definition of rocking. I've listened to both Edge of the Blade and Edge of the Moment in my stereo and based on strength of the instruments, EOTM rocks harder IMHO. Heavier bass, more rhythm guitar, and better drumwork.

Rockin = is better

Edge of the Blade is better than ANY song on Eclipse. The outro kicks ass. You just can't decide to write mystical lyrics, wank on solos, and think that you have a killer album....it doesn't work that way.

[steveo777]

There is NOTHING on Eclipse that rocks as much as the outro to Edge of the Blade.....quit fooling yourselves.

Depends on your definition of rocking. I've listened to both Edge of the Blade and Edge of the Moment in my stereo and based on strength of the instruments, EOTM rocks harder IMHO. Heavier bass, more rhythm guitar, and better drumwork.

Rockin = is better

Edge of the Blade is better than ANY song on Eclipse. The outro kicks ass. You just can't decide to write mystical lyrics, wank on solos, and think that you have a killer album....it doesn't work that way.

Sean, there you go with an "opinion" again!

[Gideon]

Rockin = is better

Edge of the Blade is better than ANY song on Eclipse. The outro kicks ass. You just can't decide to write mystical lyrics, wank on solos, and think that you have a killer album....it doesn't work that way.

Nah, 'Edge of the Blade's great for vocals and guitar, but the drums and lack of rhythm guitar bring it down. Steve Smith was really restrained by the band until TBF and it shows on Frontiers, I think.

[S2M]

There is NOTHING on Eclipse that rocks as much as the outro to Edge of the Blade.....quit fooling yourselves.

Depends on your definition of rocking. I've listened to both Edge of the Blade and Edge of the Moment in my stereo and based on strength of the instruments, EOTM rocks harder IMHO. Heavier bass, more rhythm guitar, and better drumwork.

Rockin = is better

Edge of the Blade is better than ANY song on Eclipse. The outro kicks ass. You just can't decide to write mystical lyrics, wank on solos, and think that you have a killer album....it doesn't work that way.

Sean, there you go with an "opinion" again!

Hmmm....and Copernicus's Heliocentric model of the universe was only 'opinion' until Kepler and Galileo came along with their telescopes....then it was fact.

[steveo777]

There is NOTHING on Eclipse that rocks as much as the outro to Edge of the Blade.....quit fooling yourselves.

Depends on your definition of rocking. I've listened to both Edge of the Blade and Edge of the Moment in my stereo and based on strength of the instruments, EOTM rocks harder IMHO. Heavier bass, more rhythm guitar, and better drumwork.

Rockin = is better

Edge of the Blade is better than ANY song on Eclipse. The outro kicks ass. You just can't decide to write mystical lyrics, wank on solos, and think that you have a killer album....it doesn't work that way.

Sean, there you go with an "opinion" again!

Hmmm....and Copernicus's Heliocentric model of the universe was only 'opinion' until Kepler and Galileo came along with their telescopes....then it was fact.

I somehow don't believe you or I are that brilliant.

[Monker]

Well, some people were surprised, but it wasn't me.

Get over yourself, dude. You also claimed Revelation would flop and it sold big time. The wise old sage act is getting pretty stale. These days, you seem more vested in calling out Journey's incompetent business decisions than anything. Have you even heard Eclipse?

Revelation was aided by fuzzy math, Arnel's rags to riches, plokkerville, and Oprah....you can divide the Revelation's numbers by 3. Then the final number can be thanked to Arnel's story. Noone's(this word has always looked funny to me) wanting to be negative on purpose....we just have a differing opinion.

Dude, it sold big. If you can't accept that, it's you doing the fuzzy math, not Journey. Don posted all the real numbers just the other day. I suspect you may have seen it, and I'm too lazy to link it anyway. Some how I doubt it'd make a difference with you.

The fact is that the Revelation PACKAGE sold well. Revelation did not do it on its own. THAT is the point. We'll never know how well REvelation would have done on its own because it will never be sold and counted without the rerecords and DVD.

How does your insertion of "PACKAGE" to the title change anything? Revelation was what it was. It's not as if one could choose to buy either "Revelation" or the "Revelation PACKAGE," so I don't get the point you are trying to make other than smoke and mirrors to make even a Journey success look like a failure. So what's your agenda? Better yet, why?

Because that is what it was. If it was not a 'package', Revelation would not be platinum. A 'package' doubles the count for each sale for the RIAA.

The Revelation package included : Revelation, the rerecordings and the DVD.

We do NOT know how many copies of Revelation would have sold on its own, and we never well. IMO, it would end up just slightly better then Eclipse does.

[steveo777]

Well, some people were surprised, but it wasn't me.

Get over yourself, dude. You also claimed Revelation would flop and it sold big time. The wise old sage act is getting pretty stale. These days, you seem more vested in calling out Journey's incompetent business decisions than anything. Have you even heard Eclipse?

Revelation was aided by fuzzy math, Arnel's rags to riches, plokkerville, and Oprah....you can divide the Revelation's numbers by 3. Then the final number can be thanked to Arnel's story. Noone's(this word has always looked funny to me) wanting to be negative on purpose....we just have a differing opinion.

Dude, it sold big. If you can't accept that, it's you doing the fuzzy math, not Journey. Don posted all the real numbers just the other day. I suspect you may have seen it, and I'm too lazy to link it anyway. Some how I doubt it'd make a difference with you.

The fact is that the Revelation PACKAGE sold well. Revelation did not do it on its own. THAT is the point. We'll never know how well REvelation would have done on its own because it will never be sold and counted without the rerecords and DVD.

How does your insertion of "PACKAGE" to the title change anything? Revelation was what it was. It's not as if one could choose to buy either "Revelation" or the "Revelation PACKAGE," so I don't get the point you are trying to make other than smoke and mirrors to make even a Journey success look like a failure. So what's your agenda? Better yet, why?

Because that is what it was. If it was not a 'package', Revelation would not be platinum. A 'package' doubles the count for each sale for the RIAA.

The Revelation package included : Revelation, the rerecordings and the DVD.

We do NOT know how many copies of Revelation would have sold on its own, and we never well. IMO, it would end up just slightly better then Eclipse does.

Revelation will be certified 2 x Platinum soon. (1 million packages, if you want) Without the retreads or the DVD, they still had a story to sell. My guess is it would have at least exceeded Gold.

[Don]

Well, some people were surprised, but it wasn't me.

Get over yourself, dude. You also claimed Revelation would flop and it sold big time. The wise old sage act is getting pretty stale. These days, you seem more vested in calling out Journey's incompetent business decisions than anything. Have you even heard Eclipse?

Revelation was aided by fuzzy math, Arnel's rags to riches, plokkerville, and Oprah....you can divide the Revelation's numbers by 3. Then the final number can be thanked to Arnel's story. Noone's(this word has always looked funny to me) wanting to be negative on purpose....we just have a differing opinion.

Dude, it sold big. If you can't accept that, it's you doing the fuzzy math, not Journey. Don posted all the real numbers just the other day. I suspect you may have seen it, and I'm too lazy to link it anyway. Some how I doubt it'd make a difference with you.

The fact is that the Revelation PACKAGE sold well. Revelation did not do it on its own. THAT is the point. We'll never know how well REvelation would have done on its own because it will never be sold and counted without the rerecords and DVD.

How does your insertion of "PACKAGE" to the title change anything? Revelation was what it was. It's not as if one could choose to buy either "Revelation" or the "Revelation PACKAGE," so I don't get the point you are trying to make other than smoke and mirrors to make even a Journey success look like a failure. So what's your agenda? Better yet, why?

Because that is what it was. If it was not a 'package', Revelation would not be platinum. A 'package' doubles the count for each sale for the RIAA.

The Revelation package included : Revelation, the rerecordings and the DVD.

We do NOT know how many copies of Revelation would have sold on its own, and we never well. IMO, it would end up just slightly better then Eclipse does.

Revelation will be certified 2 x Platinum soon. (1 million packages, if you want) Without the retreads or the DVD, they still had a story to sell. My guess is it would have at least exceeded Gold.

What makes you say this? It hasn't even re-entered Billboards charts since forever. The all Arnel promo that was supposed to happen never did. How is it going to sell 100,000 copies all of a sudden.

[steveo777]

Well, some people were surprised, but it wasn't me.

Get over yourself, dude. You also claimed Revelation would flop and it sold big time. The wise old sage act is getting pretty stale. These days, you seem more vested in calling out Journey's incompetent business decisions than anything. Have you even heard Eclipse?

Revelation was aided by fuzzy math, Arnel's rags to riches, plokkerville, and Oprah....you can divide the Revelation's numbers by 3. Then the final number can be thanked to Arnel's story. Noone's(this word has always looked funny to me) wanting to be negative on purpose....we just have a differing opinion.

Dude, it sold big. If you can't accept that, it's you doing the fuzzy math, not Journey. Don posted all the real numbers just the other day. I suspect you may have seen it, and I'm too lazy to link it anyway. Some how I doubt it'd make a difference with you.

The fact is that the Revelation PACKAGE sold well. Revelation did not do it on its own. THAT is the point. We'll never know how well REvelation would have done on its own because it will never be sold and counted without the rerecords and DVD.

How does your insertion of "PACKAGE" to the title change anything? Revelation was what it was. It's not as if one could choose to buy either "Revelation" or the "Revelation PACKAGE," so I don't get the point you are trying to make other than smoke and mirrors to make even a Journey success look like a failure. So what's your agenda? Better yet, why?

Because that is what it was. If it was not a 'package', Revelation would not be platinum. A 'package' doubles the count for each sale for the RIAA.

The Revelation package included : Revelation, the rerecordings and the DVD.

We do NOT know how many copies of Revelation would have sold on its own, and we never well. IMO, it would end up just slightly better then Eclipse does.

Revelation will be certified 2 x Platinum soon. (1 million packages, if you want) Without the retreads or the DVD, they still had a story to sell. My guess is it would have at least exceeded Gold.

What makes you say this? It hasn't even re-entered Billboards charts since forever. The all Arnel promo that was supposed to happen never did. How is it going to sell 100,000 copies all of a sudden.

Because it is still being sold and close to critical mass. I guess soon could have been better defined. It'll get there.

[Jana]

Well, some people were surprised, but it wasn't me.

Get over yourself, dude. You also claimed Revelation would flop and it sold big time. The wise old sage act is getting pretty stale. These days, you seem more vested in calling out Journey's incompetent business decisions than anything. Have you even heard Eclipse?

Revelation was aided by fuzzy math, Arnel's rags to riches, plokkerville, and Oprah....you can divide the Revelation's numbers by 3. Then the final number can be thanked to Arnel's story. Noone's(this word has always looked funny to me) wanting to be negative on purpose....we just have a differing opinion.

Dude, it sold big. If you can't accept that, it's you doing the fuzzy math, not Journey. Don posted all the real numbers just the other day. I suspect you may have seen it, and I'm too lazy to link it anyway. Some how I doubt it'd make a difference with you.

The fact is that the Revelation PACKAGE sold well. Revelation did not do it on its own. THAT is the point. We'll never know how well REvelation would have done on its own because it will never be sold and counted without the rerecords and DVD.

How does your insertion of "PACKAGE" to the title change anything? Revelation was what it was. It's not as if one could choose to buy either "Revelation" or the "Revelation PACKAGE," so I don't get the point you are trying to make other than smoke and mirrors to make even a Journey success look like a failure. So what's your agenda? Better yet, why?

Because that is what it was. If it was not a 'package', Revelation would not be platinum. A 'package' doubles the count for each sale for the RIAA.

The Revelation package included : Revelation, the rerecordings and the DVD.

We do NOT know how many copies of Revelation would have sold on its own, and we never well. IMO, it would end up just slightly better then Eclipse does.

Revelation will be certified 2 x Platinum soon. (1 million packages, if you want) Without the retreads or the DVD, they still had a story to sell. My guess is it would have at least exceeded Gold.

What makes you say this? It hasn't even re-entered Billboards charts since forever. The all Arnel promo that was supposed to happen never did. How is it going to sell 100,000 copies all of a sudden.

Jon said several times last tour it was double platinum, and he just said it again in one of these radio interviews. He has said it enough times that he must feel confident it has sold one million units. I don't know why it hasn't been certified, though.

[Don]

Even if it reached the threshold, the label's too cheap. The Manila DVD should have been certified platinum 14 months ago and that never was done.

[Majestic]

Well, some people were surprised, but it wasn't me.

Get over yourself, dude. You also claimed Revelation would flop and it sold big time. The wise old sage act is getting pretty stale. These days, you seem more vested in calling out Journey's incompetent business decisions than anything. Have you even heard Eclipse?

Revelation was aided by fuzzy math, Arnel's rags to riches, plokkerville, and Oprah....you can divide the Revelation's numbers by 3. Then the final number can be thanked to Arnel's story. Noone's(this word has always looked funny to me) wanting to be negative on purpose....we just have a differing opinion.

Dude, it sold big. If you can't accept that, it's you doing the fuzzy math, not Journey. Don posted all the real numbers just the other day. I suspect you may have seen it, and I'm too lazy to link it anyway. Some how I doubt it'd make a difference with you.

The fact is that the Revelation PACKAGE sold well. Revelation did not do it on its own. THAT is the point. We'll never know how well REvelation would have done on its own because it will never be sold and counted without the rerecords and DVD.

How does your insertion of "PACKAGE" to the title change anything? Revelation was what it was. It's not as if one could choose to buy either "Revelation" or the "Revelation PACKAGE," so I don't get the point you are trying to make other than smoke and mirrors to make even a Journey success look like a failure. So what's your agenda? Better yet, why?

Because that is what it was. If it was not a 'package', Revelation would not be platinum. A 'package' doubles the count for each sale for the RIAA.

The Revelation package included : Revelation, the rerecordings and the DVD.

We do NOT know how many copies of Revelation would have sold on its own, and we never well. IMO, it would end up just slightly better then Eclipse does.

Ok. I guess any success can be said to have its excuses.

[steveo777]

Well, some people were surprised, but it wasn't me.

Get over yourself, dude. You also claimed Revelation would flop and it sold big time. The wise old sage act is getting pretty stale. These days, you seem more vested in calling out Journey's incompetent business decisions than anything. Have you even heard Eclipse?

Revelation was aided by fuzzy math, Arnel's rags to riches, plokkerville, and Oprah....you can divide the Revelation's numbers by 3. Then the final number can be thanked to Arnel's story. Noone's(this word has always looked funny to me) wanting to be negative on purpose....we just have a differing opinion.

Dude, it sold big. If you can't accept that, it's you doing the fuzzy math, not Journey. Don posted all the real numbers just the other day. I suspect you may have seen it, and I'm too lazy to link it anyway. Some how I doubt it'd make a difference with you.

The fact is that the Revelation PACKAGE sold well. Revelation did not do it on its own. THAT is the point. We'll never know how well REvelation would have done on its own because it will never be sold and counted without the rerecords and DVD.

How does your insertion of "PACKAGE" to the title change anything? Revelation was what it was. It's not as if one could choose to buy either "Revelation" or the "Revelation PACKAGE," so I don't get the point you are trying to make other than smoke and mirrors to make even a Journey success look like a failure. So what's your agenda? Better yet, why?

Because that is what it was. If it was not a 'package', Revelation would not be platinum. A 'package' doubles the count for each sale for the RIAA.

The Revelation package included : Revelation, the rerecordings and the DVD.

We do NOT know how many copies of Revelation would have sold on its own, and we never well. IMO, it would end up just slightly better then Eclipse does.

Revelation will be certified 2 x Platinum soon. (1 million packages, if you want) Without the retreads or the DVD, they still had a story to sell. My guess is it would have at least exceeded Gold.

What makes you say this? It hasn't even re-entered Billboards charts since forever. The all Arnel promo that was supposed to happen never did. How is it going to sell 100,000 copies all of a sudden.

Jon said several times last tour it was double platinum, and he just said it again in one of these radio interviews. He has said it enough times that he must feel confident it has sold one million units. I don't know why it hasn't been certified, though.

Speaking of Jon, I enjoyed reading about his experiences in South America this year on his website. I also learned that Madison has the same producer as Lady Antebellum. I wonder when her debut album comes out?

[Rick]

Well, some people were surprised, but it wasn't me.

Get over yourself, dude. You also claimed Revelation would flop and it sold big time. The wise old sage act is getting pretty stale. These days, you seem more vested in calling out Journey's incompetent business decisions than anything. Have you even heard Eclipse?

Revelation was aided by fuzzy math, Arnel's rags to riches, plokkerville, and Oprah....you can divide the Revelation's numbers by 3. Then the final number can be thanked to Arnel's story. Noone's(this word has always looked funny to me) wanting to be negative on purpose....we just have a differing opinion.

Dude, it sold big. If you can't accept that, it's you doing the fuzzy math, not Journey. Don posted all the real numbers just the other day. I suspect you may have seen it, and I'm too lazy to link it anyway. Some how I doubt it'd make a difference with you.

The fact is that the Revelation PACKAGE sold well. Revelation did not do it on its own. THAT is the point. We'll never know how well REvelation would have done on its own because it will never be sold and counted without the rerecords and DVD.

How does your insertion of "PACKAGE" to the title change anything? Revelation was what it was. It's not as if one could choose to buy either "Revelation" or the "Revelation PACKAGE," so I don't get the point you are trying to make other than smoke and mirrors to make even a Journey success look like a failure. So what's your agenda? Better yet, why?

Because that is what it was. If it was not a 'package', Revelation would not be platinum. A 'package' doubles the count for each sale for the RIAA.

The Revelation package included : Revelation, the rerecordings and the DVD.

We do NOT know how many copies of Revelation would have sold on its own, and we never well. IMO, it would end up just slightly better then Eclipse does.

Revelation will be certified 2 x Platinum soon. (1 million packages, if you want) Without the retreads or the DVD, they still had a story to sell. My guess is it would have at least exceeded Gold.

What makes you say this? It hasn't even re-entered Billboards charts since forever. The all Arnel promo that was supposed to happen never did. How is it going to sell 100,000 copies all of a sudden.

Jon said several times last tour it was double platinum, and he just said it again in one of these radio interviews. He has said it enough times that he must feel confident it has sold one million units. I don't know why it hasn't been certified, though.

That's the labels doing. They have to pay to get it audited and certified.

[Argus]

Well, some people were surprised, but it wasn't me.

Get over yourself, dude. You also claimed Revelation would flop and it sold big time. The wise old sage act is getting pretty stale. These days, you seem more vested in calling out Journey's incompetent business decisions than anything. Have you even heard Eclipse?

Revelation was aided by fuzzy math, Arnel's rags to riches, plokkerville, and Oprah....you can divide the Revelation's numbers by 3. Then the final number can be thanked to Arnel's story. Noone's(this word has always looked funny to me) wanting to be negative on purpose....we just have a differing opinion.

Dude, it sold big. If you can't accept that, it's you doing the fuzzy math, not Journey. Don posted all the real numbers just the other day. I suspect you may have seen it, and I'm too lazy to link it anyway. Some how I doubt it'd make a difference with you.

The fact is that the Revelation PACKAGE sold well. Revelation did not do it on its own. THAT is the point. We'll never know how well REvelation would have done on its own because it will never be sold and counted without the rerecords and DVD.

How does your insertion of "PACKAGE" to the title change anything? Revelation was what it was. It's not as if one could choose to buy either "Revelation" or the "Revelation PACKAGE," so I don't get the point you are trying to make other than smoke and mirrors to make even a Journey success look like a failure. So what's your agenda? Better yet, why?

Because that is what it was. If it was not a 'package', Revelation would not be platinum. A 'package' doubles the count for each sale for the RIAA.

The Revelation package included : Revelation, the rerecordings and the DVD.

We do NOT know how many copies of Revelation would have sold on its own, and we never well. IMO, it would end up just slightly better then Eclipse does.

Revelation will be certified 2 x Platinum soon. (1 million packages, if you want) Without the retreads or the DVD, they still had a story to sell. My guess is it would have at least exceeded Gold.

What makes you say this? It hasn't even re-entered Billboards charts since forever. The all Arnel promo that was supposed to happen never did. How is it going to sell 100,000 copies all of a sudden.

Jon said several times last tour it was double platinum, and he just said it again in one of these radio interviews. He has said it enough times that he must feel confident it has sold one million units. I don't know why it hasn't been certified, though.

That's the labels doing. They have to pay to get it audited and certified.

Rick, the band = the label = the band