John Waite vs Arnel

[Rip Rokken]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

And Pineda hasn't written a single song. Not sure where the talent part comes.

Actually, Jon said when AP returned from the Philippines he brought She's A Mystery. He also wrote To Whom It May Concern, as we were told way back.
Those are his two songs and JC and Neal just arranged music to them.

Thank you, Steve. You saved me from posting the same.

[Rockindeano]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

And Pineda hasn't written a single song. Not sure where the talent part comes.

Actually, Jon said when AP returned from the Philippines he brought She's A Mystery. He also wrote To Whom It May Concern, as we were told way back.
Those are his two songs and JC and Neal just arranged music to them.

Thank you, Steve. You saved me from posting the same.

You're going with that as a valid response? Dude had some words jotted down...Neal and Cain write the music, and you two are convinced he "wrote" the songs?. He flat out sucks as a songwriter, period. There is NO way the guy who has sung for his entire life, cannot write a decent song. That's pathetic.

[Don]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

And Pineda hasn't written a single song. Not sure where the talent part comes.

Actually, Jon said when AP returned from the Philippines he brought She's A Mystery. He also wrote To Whom It May Concern, as we were told way back.
Those are his two songs and JC and Neal just arranged music to them.

Thank you, Steve. You saved me from posting the same.

What's up with your street team, dude? Less than 10,000 sold this week.
Break out the plastic and get to buyin' again.

[Gideon]

I hope I can't ... you sure do love to instigate!!
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Since when does saying "Open Arms and Faithfully are Cain's babies" mean that Perry had nothing to do with the success of the songs?

[Don]

I hope I can't ... you sure do love to instigate!!
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Since when does saying "Open Arms and Faithfully are Cain's babies" mean that Perry had nothing to do with the success of the songs?

Actually, Harry Fox, the official royalty tracking and accounting firm in the U.S. has Cain and Perry both listed as writers for Faithfully and Open Arms.
Probably just better to say that these songs are Journey's babies.

[Gideon]

Probably just better to say that these songs are Journey's babies.

Every account of 'Faithfully' and 'Open Arms' always explains the fact that they the concept and music of the songs largely came from Cain. In fact, Perry's involvement in 'Faithfully's creation has never, to my knowledge, been elaborated or elucidated: the credit for writing has gone to Cain.

Without Cain, the songs wouldn't have existed, let alone have been successful.
That takes nothing away from Perry as a singer or co-writer. But something actually has to, y'know, exist before it can become successful.

[Don]

Probably just better to say that these songs are Journey's babies.

Every account of 'Faithfully' and 'Open Arms' always explains the fact that they the concept and music of the songs largely came from Cain. In fact, Perry's involvement in 'Faithfully's creation has never, to my knowledge, been elaborated or elucidated: the credit for writing has gone to Cain.

Without Cain, the songs wouldn't have existed, let alone have been successful.
That takes nothing away from Perry as a singer or co-writer. But something actually has to, y'know, exist before it can become successful.

I had a response written but the server dumped or something. I understand that Cain brought the rough templates for these two songs (and maybe to a lesser degree, DSB) to the band when he came on board.

What is actual argument being made here by MG or you or whoever? I'm not following.

[S2M]

Probably just better to say that these songs are Journey's babies.

Every account of 'Faithfully' and 'Open Arms' always explains the fact that they the concept and music of the songs largely came from Cain. In fact, Perry's involvement in 'Faithfully's creation has never, to my knowledge, been elaborated or elucidated: the credit for writing has gone to Cain.

Without Cain, the songs wouldn't have existed, let alone have been successful.
That takes nothing away from Perry as a singer or co-writer. But something actually has to, y'know, exist before it can become successful.

Existence before Essense......

THAT being said. Listen to Faithfully on Back to the Innocence...Perry HAD to sing that song. Cause the way Jon sang it, coupled with his AWFUL voice did absolutely nothing for it. Journey NEEDS SP's Perryisms. THAT is the legacy, Neal's guitar is a distant 2nd - sorry NS fans.

[Gideon]

I understand that Cain brought the rough templates for these two songs (and maybe to a lesser degree, DSB) to the band when he came on board.

What is actual argument being made here by MG or you or whoever? I'm not following.

MG feels I'm unfair to Perry when parceling out credit for Journey's success and I believe otherwise.

Existence before Essense......

THAT being said. Listen to Faithfully on Back to the Innocence...Perry HAD to sing that song. Cause the way Jon sang it, coupled with his AWFUL voice did absolutely nothing for it. Journey NEEDS SP's Perryisms. THAT is the legacy, Neal's guitar is a distant 2nd - sorry NS fans.

I have listened to it and concur it's awful.
But you're being a little thrifty on context. 'Faithfully' proper was released during the height of Journey's success, the musical climate is different and has been different for a long time. If you don't believe me, compare the success of Perry's respective solo albums. The climate is incredibly important. Furthermore, I've never denied that Perry's undeniably superior voice was a tremendous factor in the song's success. But, like I said, if Steve Perry was the only factor, then every Perry song would naturally be Top 10 material, regardless of lyrical content or musical climate.
But that isn't the case, so Perry is demonstrably not the only factor for Journey's success or that of their songs.

[Andrew]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

You aren't using JW and that hack Vince Neil in the same sentence are you RIP? Surely to shit no...

And what do you mean JW never wrote what he sings?????

[Memorex]

Just watched the move Two Thirteen last night. It's written by/stars Mark Thompson (Mark & Brian). Anyway, the John Waite song in there is killer. I want it. Can't find it. Think it's called Born on a Train - a Magnetic Field song. Their version blows.

Andrew - can you hook a brother up?

[Memorex]

So it's not Born on a Train. That's what his blog had said he sent over. I went back and listened and it's actually a cover of an old Donovan song called Catch the Wind. Either way - I wish I could find John's version of it.

[Don]

So it's not Born on a Train. That's what his blog had said he sent over. I went back and listened and it's actually a cover of an old Donovan song called Catch the Wind. Either way - I wish I could find John's version of it.

That's a very hard song to find. I don't know if there are any of the charity CDs left but you could probably email this guy and find out.

http://www.writestuffautographs.com/sho ... IC1000.htm