Which member's album is best?

[Tito]

edited: I like you too much to be too hateful for the purposes of humor, MG.

You’ll get over it ...
Your loon detractors just don’t work on me, that’s
the real story …I’ll go toe to toe with you any day!!

Original point being …Escape was not JC’s baby …Neal was the driver
for Eclipse every bit as much as Steve was for ROR,
Tito was laughing his ass off as he typed the question and
you just hate anyone who loves SP …it’s ok!!

Now, I'm more interested in what was printed preedit ...
was it really good ...or really bad?!?

I'm serious, it was Cain's album.

[Michigan Girl]

edited: I like you too much to be too hateful for the purposes of humor, MG.

You’ll get over it ...
Your loon detractors just don’t work on me, that’s
the real story …I’ll go toe to toe with you any day!!

Original point being …Escape was not JC’s baby …Neal was the driver
for Eclipse every bit as much as Steve was for ROR,
Tito was laughing his ass off as he typed the question and
you just hate anyone who loves SP …it’s ok!!

Now, I'm more interested in what was printed preedit ...
was it really good ...or really bad?!?

I'm serious, it was Cain's album.

I'm sure you are ...you also knew the controversy
you'd start as a result~because it wasn't!!
I didn't say you weren't a f*ckin' idiot, too ...you're just more loveable!!

[Greg]

Cain didn't write Escape all by himself. It was Cain/Perry/Schon. Cain brought in a new musical direction, but without Perry's influence, every song would be about the State of Grace.

[conversationpc]

Cain didn't write Escape all by himself. It was Cain/Perry/Schon. Cain brought in a new musical direction, but without Perry's influence, every song would be about the State of Grace.

Thank heavens!

[Tito]

Cain didn't write Escape all by himself. It was Cain/Perry/Schon. Cain brought in a new musical direction, but without Perry's influence, every song would be about the State of Grace.

Agreed just like Perry didn't write ROR by himself or Neal didn't write Eclipse by himself. But, it's Cain's album.

[Greg]

Cain didn't write Escape all by himself. It was Cain/Perry/Schon. Cain brought in a new musical direction, but without Perry's influence, every song would be about the State of Grace.

Agreed just like Perry didn't write ROR by himself or Neal didn't write Eclipse by himself. But, it's Cain's album.

So then, this pretty much makes your thread a complete waste of time.

[Don]

Cain didn't write Escape all by himself. It was Cain/Perry/Schon. Cain brought in a new musical direction, but without Perry's influence, every song would be about the State of Grace.

Agreed just like Perry didn't write ROR by himself or Neal didn't write Eclipse by himself. But, it's Cain's album.

So then, this pretty much makes your thread a complete waste of time.

Tito~Lay is slagging Neal with this thread, he's just not being obvious about it.

[Toph]

Escape and ROR tie.
Eclipse.

For the morons bashing ROR, I heard IBAWY and GCHI on the radio today. Let's see if they're playing anything from Eclipse on the radio in 2036.

Oh, that's right, they're not playing anything from Eclipse on the radio right-fucking now.

ROR is a pop/rock masterpiece. The slickest Journey ever got.

And Neal said he was never playing that "gay ass song" again (GCHI). I wonder if he's still cashing the checks that are coming in when it's played? He won't be cashing checks from anything off of Eclipse for very long, or at all, as far as radio play.

Well said. Eclipse has already faded into obscurity. Can't wait for the show. I'm debating whether or not to intentionally leave our seats for the concourse when Neil plays anything off the turd.

I'm hoping by the time the tour gets underway that the selections from it are down to 2 and we get classic stuff in its place.

[Tito]

Cain didn't write Escape all by himself. It was Cain/Perry/Schon. Cain brought in a new musical direction, but without Perry's influence, every song would be about the State of Grace.

Agreed just like Perry didn't write ROR by himself or Neal didn't write Eclipse by himself. But, it's Cain's album.

So then, this pretty much makes your thread a complete waste of time.

Tito~Lay is slagging Neal with this thread, he's just not being obvious about it.

No I'm not. I am pointing out though, that Cain is the franchise.

[Greg]

Cain didn't write Escape all by himself. It was Cain/Perry/Schon. Cain brought in a new musical direction, but without Perry's influence, every song would be about the State of Grace.

Agreed just like Perry didn't write ROR by himself or Neal didn't write Eclipse by himself. But, it's Cain's album.

So then, this pretty much makes your thread a complete waste of time.

Tito~Lay is slagging Neal with this thread, he's just not being obvious about it.

No I'm not. I am pointing out though, that Cain is the franchise.

While Cain has been a vital part of the song writing in Journey, he is still just a third of the song writing, half at best. Sure, he can receive full credit on songs like Faithfully, but How many hits has Cain pinned since Perry left? Anybody? Still waiting.....

[conversationpc]

I am pointing out though, that Cain is the franchise.

[Tito]

While Cain has been a vital part of the song writing in Journey, he is still just a third of the song writing, half at best. Sure, he can receive full credit on songs like Faithfully, but How many hits has Cain pinned since Perry left? Anybody? Still waiting.....

Does Bad English count?

[Don]

While Cain has been a vital part of the song writing in Journey, he is still just a third of the song writing, half at best. Sure, he can receive full credit on songs like Faithfully, but How many hits has Cain pinned since Perry left? Anybody? Still waiting.....

Does Bad English count?

Sure, just not that Diane Warren song.

[Greg]

While Cain has been a vital part of the song writing in Journey, he is still just a third of the song writing, half at best. Sure, he can receive full credit on songs like Faithfully, but How many hits has Cain pinned since Perry left? Anybody? Still waiting.....

Does Bad English count?

How many Bad English songs has Cain as the sole song writer?

[Tito]

While Cain has been a vital part of the song writing in Journey, he is still just a third of the song writing, half at best. Sure, he can receive full credit on songs like Faithfully, but How many hits has Cain pinned since Perry left? Anybody? Still waiting.....

Does Bad English count?

How many Bad English songs has Cain as the sole song writer?

How many has Perry has without Cain...as sole writer. He had one hit - You Better Wait, and that had literally about 10 writers.

[Tito]

While Cain has been a vital part of the song writing in Journey, he is still just a third of the song writing, half at best. Sure, he can receive full credit on songs like Faithfully, but How many hits has Cain pinned since Perry left? Anybody? Still waiting.....

Does Bad English count?

Sure, just not that Diane Warren song.

Not counting that one. Price of Love and Possession.

[Michigan Girl]

While Cain has been a vital part of the song writing in Journey, he is still just a third of the song writing, half at best. Sure, he can receive full credit on songs like Faithfully, but How many hits has Cain pinned since Perry left? Anybody? Still waiting.....

Does Bad English count?

How many Bad English songs has Cain as the sole song writer?

How many has Perry has without Cain...as sole writer. He had one hit - You Better Wait, and that had literally about 10 writers.

You and giddy do the same thing ...we're not talking about Perry!!
We've all agreed that Escape was a TEAM effort!!
You are making the claim that Cain is the franchise and Escape is Cain's LP ...back that up!!

[Michigan Girl]

While Cain has been a vital part of the song writing in Journey, he is still just a third of the song writing, half at best. Sure, he can receive full credit on songs like Faithfully, but How many hits has Cain pinned since Perry left? Anybody? Still waiting.....

Does Bad English count?

Sure, just not that Diane Warren song.

Not counting that one. Price of Love and Possession.

I was pretty sure Waite was credited, as well ...no?!?!

[conversationpc]

While Cain has been a vital part of the song writing in Journey, he is still just a third of the song writing, half at best. Sure, he can receive full credit on songs like Faithfully, but How many hits has Cain pinned since Perry left? Anybody? Still waiting.....

Does Bad English count?

Sure, just not that Diane Warren song.

Not counting that one. Price of Love and Possession.

He isn't listed as the sole songwriter on any of those BE tunes, from the info I have.

[Gideon]

you just hate anyone who loves SP

You couldn't be more wrong. I have nothing against people who love Perry's voice as I consider myself one of them.
Naturally, you assume that because I don't agree with all of his decisions and because I see fit to criticize him as much as any of you have criticized Cain or Schon that I must hate him and all of his fans.

You're free to believe that, but as usual, what you believe isn't supported by the facts.

[Gideon]

Cain didn't write Escape all by himself.

No one has said that.

It was Cain/Perry/Schon.

Absolutely, just like Perry's solo albums feature writing from a football stadium's worth of lyricists. Is it their album too?

Cain brought in a new musical direction, but without Perry's influence, every song would be about the State of Grace.

You're leaving Mr. Schon out of the equation. The reason Tito is arguing this is Cain's album and why I said one could argue it is because it was Cain's presence that elevated Escape and changed its musical dynamic forever.

[Tito]

Cain didn't write Escape all by himself.

No one has said that.

It was Cain/Perry/Schon.

Absolutely, just like Perry's solo albums feature writing from a football stadium's worth of lyricists. Is it their album too?

Cain brought in a new musical direction, but without Perry's influence, every song would be about the State of Grace.

You're leaving Mr. Schon out of the equation. The reason Tito is arguing this is Cain's album and why I said one could argue it is because it was Cain's presence that elevated Escape and changed its musical dynamic forever.

+1

Thank you for saving me time.

[Michigan Girl]

You and Gid should meet up for a show, Tito ...he can do
all the talking and you can hold a thumb up, as displayed
in Dave's av, if you agree, or a finger, as displayed in
G~boy's av, if you don't ...
or you could just be a bobblehead!

[JRNYMAN]

As we all know, Eclipse is Neal's album, Perry's is Raised on Radio, and Cain's is Escape. Which of three member's album do you think is best? I say Cain's Escape. What does everyone else think.

The only thing more stupid than this question are the idiots who actually answer it!!

LMAO! Git 'em MG... Git em!

[kgdjpubs]

While Cain has been a vital part of the song writing in Journey, he is still just a third of the song writing, half at best. Sure, he can receive full credit on songs like Faithfully, but How many hits has Cain pinned since Perry left? Anybody? Still waiting.....

It was during the time between Frontiers and Raised on Radio, but I'd say Cain had the biggest hit of anyone outside of Journey penning Working Class Man for Jimmy Barnes. Barnes is a legend in Australia, and that's his signature song as a solo artist. Huge, HUGE hit, and probably the biggest song that anyone had outside of Journey.

[Saint John]

You and Gid should meet up for a show, Tito ...he can do
all the talking and you can hold a thumb up, as displayed
in Dave's av, if you agree, or a finger, as displayed in
G~boy's av, if you don't ...
or you could just be a bobblehead!

Bobblehead Tito! I'm in tears!

[JRNYMAN]

Cain's "Piano With A View" is better than those three combined

"Piano..." is indeed a terrific album - the crown jewel of his solo work thus far for sure. Am I correct to assume based on your statement you are a keyboard player? In the years I've participated in Journey-related forums, the topic of Cain's solo work is almost always discussed by keyboardists - not always, but the majority of the time. I had been a Journey fan for two decades before I ever checked out his solo work and immediately wished I had done so much sooner. The Jon Cain we hear on his solo albums is a far more talented and emotional artist and performer than the version he lends to Journey. Not saying for a second that his work with the band isn't excellent (for the most part). Journey is comprised of 5 very talented individuals who collectively create and contribute to the sound for which they became the once iconic super group. His projects are obviously more of a, "Jonathan Cain featuring such and such studio musicians, so obviously he and his work is going to be the best he can be. That said, I really can't say his solo work is "better" than the Journey albums listed without qualifying what about it is better. The two are far different types of music, only one if which has the global ( or nearly global) following and familiarity they do. On the other hand, if "better" means the content is more complex and exhibits more classically trained talent, then yeah, I'd go along with that to some extent.