My Eclipse Side A

[Gideon]

"Chain of Love" and "Resonate" are strong album songs, but as for singles or being featured live, I'm not hearing it.

Disagreed on 'Resonate'. I believe it would do well with today's audience and their love of alternative, rhythm-driven songs.

[yandtguy]

"Chain of Love" and "Resonate" are strong album songs, but as for singles or being featured live, I'm not hearing it.

Disagreed on 'Resonate'. I believe it would do well with today's audience and their love of alternative, rhythm-driven songs.

Journey would get zero air time with a song like "Resonate." You will only hear Journey on AC or Top 40 that plays hits of the past 3 decades here in America. Plus, "Resonate" has a weak chourus for a radio single and no real hook. It's a cool rock song, but it would flop at radio. Just look at the chart positions for the rock singles the band has releases since ROR.

[yandtguy]

Far better than a "good" song, as is Resonate. Resonate is my favorite, or I guess they both tie, with Edge of the Moment right behind them. All superb songs.

There really isn't a weak song on the album. Subsequent listens have had me doubting some of my earlier reviews; it's now threatening to shove TBF off its golden plinth in my heart.

My only complaint on the album is Human Feel should have been the radio edit.

Love "Human Feel." It's neck and neck with "She's a Mystery" for top track on the album for me.

[Rick]

Far better than a "good" song, as is Resonate. Resonate is my favorite, or I guess they both tie, with Edge of the Moment right behind them. All superb songs.

There really isn't a weak song on the album. Subsequent listens have had me doubting some of my earlier reviews; it's now threatening to shove TBF off its golden plinth in my heart.

My only complaint on the album is Human Feel should have been the radio edit.

Love "Human Feel." It's neck and neck with "She's a Mystery" for top track on the album for me.

I guess that's one of those either you love it hate it tracks. I love Human Feel also, but sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that does. Glad I'm not.

[Gideon]

Journey would get zero air time with a song like "Resonate."

Not buying it. As one of those young'uns, my friends have really enjoyed the alternative-feel and heavy rhythm of 'Resonate'.

You will only hear Journey on AC or Top 40 that plays hits of the past 3 decades here in America.

That's more or less because the band is keen on releasing singles that harken back to the days of yore, when Perry was in the band. Essentially, they get radio play on AC stations because they release AC songs.

Plus, "Resonate" has a weak chourus for a radio single and no real hook. It's a cool rock song, but it would flop at radio.

Our agreement begins and ends with "it's a cool rock song." Respectfully, I don't hear what you're hearing. 'Resonate' definitely doesn't have a weak chorus; it's catchy and somewhat haunting (though not like 'Chain of Love'). Structurally and musically, it's the youngest and most modern Journey's ever dared to sound. There aren't any synthesizers and a wall of blaring, wailing, high-pitched guitar solos. Instead, it relies on a very moody, heavy rhythm and some of Neal's hardest rhythm work. Lyrically, Journey is 85% more masculine and abandons most of the saccharine that would be found in, say, 'Open Arms' or in 'The Eyes of A Woman'.

Anecdotes really aren't high on the totem pole of proof because they can hardly be quantified, but all I know is that while I've had considerable success in converting many of my friends and loved ones to Journey, Eclipse has (pardon the pun) resonated with most of them far quicker than say, Escape or Raised on Radio. All of the celebrated Journey elements are there in a new composition that makes them sound fresh, exciting, and young.

Just look at the chart positions for the rock singles the band has releases since ROR.

Like I said, that's what happens when you release Adult Contemporary songs. 'Resonate' might be many things, but it definitely ain't AC.

[yandtguy]

Journey would get zero air time with a song like "Resonate."

Not buying it. As one of those young'uns, my friends have really enjoyed the alternative-feel and heavy rhythm of 'Resonate'.

You will only hear Journey on AC or Top 40 that plays hits of the past 3 decades here in America.

That's more or less because the band is keen on releasing singles that harken back to the days of yore, when Perry was in the band. Essentially, they get radio play on AC stations because they release AC songs.

Plus, "Resonate" has a weak chourus for a radio single and no real hook. It's a cool rock song, but it would flop at radio.

Our agreement begins and ends with "it's a cool rock song." Respectfully, I don't hear what you're hearing. 'Resonate' definitely doesn't have a weak chorus; it's catchy and somewhat haunting (though not like 'Chain of Love'). Structurally and musically, it's the youngest and most modern Journey's ever dared to sound. There aren't any synthesizers and a wall of blaring, wailing, high-pitched guitar solos. Instead, it relies on a very moody, heavy rhythm and some of Neal's hardest rhythm work. Lyrically, Journey is 85% more masculine and abandons most of the saccharine that would be found in, say, 'Open Arms' or in 'The Eyes of A Woman'.

Anecdotes really aren't high on the totem pole of proof because they can hardly be quantified, but all I know is that while I've had considerable success in converting many of my friends and loved ones to Journey, Eclipse has (pardon the pun) resonated with most of them far quicker than say, Escape or Raised on Radio. All of the celebrated Journey elements are there in a new composition that makes them sound fresh, exciting, and young.

Just look at the chart positions for the rock singles the band has releases since ROR.

Like I said, that's what happens when you release Adult Contemporary songs. 'Resonate' might be many things, but it definitely ain't AC.

I said rock tracks or more specifically, songs that aren't ballads. Here's some data for you on singles:

* "Never Walk Away" from Revelation did not chart on Hot 100 or Mainstream Rock charts
* There was no rock single released from Generations
* "Higher Place" from Arrival did not chart on Hot 100 or Mainstream Rock charts
* "Message of Love" peaked at 18 on the Mainstream Rock chart
* "Can't Tame The Lion" managed to get to 33 on the Mainstream Rock chart

"Be Good To Yourself" was the last song to chart in the top 100 that wasn't a ballad. Of the highest charting Journey singles on the Hot 100, only 3 of their top 10 singles are not ballads or mid tempo songs. "Separate Ways," "Be Good To Yourself," and "Only The Young" are the only top 10 singles that aren't ballads. The band hasn't had a hot 100 song since "When You Love A Woman." Even "After All These Years," with all the press Journey was getting at the time, only impacted on the AC chart. It peaked at 9 while "Where Did I Lose Your Love" peaked at 19. That's not great. "All The Way" from Arrival peaked at 22 with little promotion. As to Mainstream Rock, Journey has had abysmal luck since Trial By Fire, and even then, they only had one song to crack the top 20 on that chart.

So, my question to you is, what radio stations are going to suddenly start playing a rock song by Journey, especially a song like "Resonate?" The song doesn't have vocals until after the 1 minute mark, and it has a relatively monotone chorus (in comparison to singles that chart). There just aren't any strong dynamics that you would hear on a single. The verses are bordering on being indistinguishable from the chorus except in that Arnel repeats the word "resonate" twice and the guitar is louder. Nea's solo, though short, is not melodic. As an album track, I like the role it plays to give the album some diversity. I like the bridge of the song, and I like how they end it with a cool riff instead of a fade out. As a single, it stinks.

Greg

[annie89509]

Ah... now I understand......always wondered why a poster choosing the name of StrangeMedicine be so belligerent toward the creator of his namesake.

Keep coming in and reading these pages ...get all kinds of revelations...lol

It's an easy concept for those among us who don't belong in a white padded cell for the rest of their natural lives.

Here is the revelation in a nutshell: It is possible for those of us who don't view the world and the people in it through rose colored glasses, to simultaneously respect a man for his talents and criticize him for his shortcomings. In this case, it is possible to say that Perry is one's favorite singer and a man who left an indelible mark on Journey while holding him accountable for the various decisions he made that had a negative impact on the rest of the band.

This is what I've always done and it's not belligerence. I simply reject your rather terrifying hero worship of an obviously flawed man.

No hero worship here, Giddy/SM. I just like to practice the old school of pragmatism and respect. As someone who is 3x your age, I have been around the block a lot longer. You young'uns who are so quick to question and condemn others perceived "flaws" are what is terrifying.

But, hey, nothing personal, Giddy. I was only referring to the old days of SM/Gideon, who liked to pick fights with posters and pointed out other's character flaws (perceived or otherwise) in every thread. This new Giddy has turned a new leaf...and funny to boot

[NoMoreTails]

Our agreement begins and ends with "it's a cool rock song." Respectfully, I don't hear what you're hearing. 'Resonate' definitely doesn't have a weak chorus; it's catchy and somewhat haunting (though not like 'Chain of Love'). Structurally and musically, it's the youngest and most modern Journey's ever dared to sound. There aren't any synthesizers and a wall of blaring, wailing, high-pitched guitar solos. Instead, it relies on a very moody, heavy rhythm and some of Neal's hardest rhythm work. Lyrically, Journey is 85% more masculine and abandons most of the saccharine that would be found in, say, 'Open Arms' or in 'The Eyes of A Woman'.

Anecdotes really aren't high on the totem pole of proof because they can hardly be quantified, but all I know is that while I've had considerable success in converting many of my friends and loved ones to Journey, Eclipse has (pardon the pun) resonated with most of them far quicker than say, Escape or Raised on Radio. All of the celebrated Journey elements are there in a new composition that makes them sound fresh, exciting, and young.

This is true of much of Eclipse, too bad management isn't this insightful.
A gamble at modern radio with one of these kinds of songs has a much better chance of making a signifcant impact than yet another ballad released to AC. Of course the latter may have a guarantee of some sucess but not the potential to gain any significant new audience.

[koberry]

Far better than a "good" song, as is Resonate. Resonate is my favorite, or I guess they both tie, with Edge of the Moment right behind them. All superb songs.

There really isn't a weak song on the album. Subsequent listens have had me doubting some of my earlier reviews; it's now threatening to shove TBF off its golden plinth in my heart.

My only complaint on the album is Human Feel should have been the radio edit.

Love "Human Feel." It's neck and neck with "She's a Mystery" for top track on the album for me.

I guess that's one of those either you love it hate it tracks. I love Human Feel also, but sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that does. Glad I'm not.

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