Live versus Album versions

by **Rick** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:10 am

I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to know which songs you thing translate better in the live shows and which you like better from the album.

I was never much of a fan of Separate Ways on the album, but it's one of my very favorites live. This is from the Paris show on 7/7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfGaa64e5Ek#t=1m02s

One of my favorite songs from any album is Escape, but it does very little for me live. From the same show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9TzEL1pvuc

by **Greg** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:36 am

Mother, Father I think is much better live. At least the Houston '81 version. I liked the "extended version" Journey did on their last tour of Open Arms - I thought that was pretty neat. Still They Ride is an awesome live song, and Don't Stop Believing.

I think Separate Ways is equally as good live and studio. Since that is the song that really got me completely hooked on Journey, I have always been more of a fan of the studio version. Certainly in recent years, Schon and Cain have added a few tweaks that make the song more interesting in concert. I'm sure there are several other songs people like better live than studio, but Mother, Father, Still They Ride, and Don't Stop Believin' are my top three live Journey songs.

by **Don** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:07 am

Infinity, Departure and Evolution tracks all sounded better on the Captured but that may be because of the changes in Perry's voice in the latter.

Escape and Frontiers sounded the same whether live or from the studio with the exceptions for Open Arms which has always sounded like shit live and the stepped down performances of Faithfully.
Songs from ROR, TBF, Arrival and Eclipse are far superior as studio cuts than than what I have heard live so far.

by **Real rock fan** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:21 am

I've always felt Edge Of The Blade to be weak live compared to the studio version where the guitar for me is way better.

by **Gideon** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:36 am

Captured is the embodiment of the idea that live!Journey > studio!Journey, though I think much of that decreased after Escape was released; Perry was much more theatrical and melodramatic live and it diminished the songs for me.

The Live In Manila version of 'Open Arms' is the best I've ever heard of that song, tho.

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:38 am

Gideon wrote:Captured is the embodiment of the idea that live!Journey > studio!Journey, though I think much of that decreased after Escape was released; Perry was much more theatrical and melodramatic live and it diminished the songs for me.

The Live In Manila version of 'Open Arms' is the best I've ever heard of that song, tho.

I really enjoy the rework of OA that they did in Manila.

by **conversationpc** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:38 am

I've always thought "Open Arms" translated poorly in a live setting, especially with Perry.

by **Gideon** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:42 am

I get how OA can be lackluster live and I definitely agree with the Perry part, but I really think Arnel knocked it out of the ballpark in Manila. His noticeably deeper register than Perry added real power to that so-called power ballad, and Neal's newly added solo was tasteful.

by **Rick** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:44 am

Gideon wrote:I get how OA can be lackluster live and I definitely agree with the Perry part, but I really think Arnel knocked it out of the ballpark in Manila. His noticeably deeper register than Perry added real power to that so-called power ballad, and Neal's newly added solo was tasteful.

I was floored by the solo the first time I heard it. It should have been put in the song from the beginning.

by **Gideon** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:46 am

Rick wrote:
Gideon wrote:I get how OA can be lackluster live and I definitely agree with the Perry part, but I really think Arnel knocked it out of the ballpark in Manila. His noticeably deeper register than Perry added real power to that so-called power ballad, and Neal's newly added solo was tasteful.

I was floored by the solo the first time I heard it. It should have been put in the song from the beginning.

Rick, I knew there was a reason I liked you. It's high time Azoff moves over and lets us co-manage this aging band! :lol:

by **Rick** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:08 am

Gideon wrote:
Rick wrote:
Gideon wrote:I get how OA can be lackluster live and I definitely agree with the Perry part, but I really think Arnel knocked it out of the ballpark in Manila. His noticeably deeper register than Perry added real power to that so-called power ballad, and Neal's newly added solo was tasteful.

I was floored by the solo the first time I heard it. It should have been put in the song from the beginning.

Rick, I knew there was a reason I liked you. It's high time Azoff moves over and lets us co-manage this aging band!

Absofuckinlutely! :twisted:

by **belar** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:34 am

Rick wrote:I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to know which songs you thing translate better in the live shows and which you like better from the album.

I was never much of a fan of Separate Ways on the album, but it's one of my very favorites live. This is from the Paris show on 7/7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfGaa64e5Ek#t=1m02s

One of my favorite songs from any album is Escape, but it does very little for me live. From the same show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9TzEL1pvuc

This is funny, because Escape is one of my absolute favorite live songs.

by **kgdjpubs** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:53 pm

belar wrote:
Rick wrote:I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to know which songs you thing translate better in the live shows and which you like better from the album.

One of my favorite songs from any album is Escape, but it does very little for me live. From the same show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9TzEL1pvuc

This is funny, because Escape is one of my absolute favorite live songs.

I like the song live, but more often than not, it goes flat because the audience doesn't get it. Get the right crowd, it goes over VERY well.

by **Gideon** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:00 pm

kgdjpubs wrote:Get the right crowd, it goes over VERY well.

And by that you must mean Europeans. Definitely more open minded, it seems, than our state-side crowd.

by **kgdjpubs** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:33 pm

Gideon wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:Get the right crowd, it goes over VERY well.

And by that you must mean Europeans. Definitely more open minded, it seems, than our state-side crowd.

I've seen some crowds in the US go ballistic also. For example, in North Carolina, Charlotte usually is party town and Raleigh thinks they are at the symphony. It's not just a Journey phenomenon either--I've seen it with other bands. Not sure what causes one crowd to generally be better than the other, but it has an effect on the show because of the give-and-take band/crowd relationship.

by **Saint John** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:50 pm

Escape is a very mediocre song. Borderline gay.

by **Gideon** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:51 pm

Saint John wrote:Borderline gay.

How familiar are you with that particular line? :lol:

by **Saint John** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:57 pm

Gideon wrote:
Saint John wrote:Borderline gay.

How familiar are you with that particular line?

About as familiar as a Perry fan is a treadmill.

by **Gideon** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:59 pm

Saint John wrote:About as familiar as a Perry fan is a treadmill.

They can't all be fat. :lol:

by **NoMoreTails** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:40 pm

Gideon wrote:Captured is the embodiment of the idea that live!Journey > studio!Journey, though I think much of that decreased after Escape was released; Perry was much more theatrical and melodramatic live and it diminished the songs for me.
The Live In Manila version of 'Open Arms' is the best I've ever heard of that song, tho.

I agree. In regards to Perry's melodrama.

by **Glenn** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:07 pm

Gideon wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:Get the right crowd, it goes over VERY well.

And by that you must mean Europeans. Definitely more open minded, it seems, than our state-side crowd.

you're on the mark there Gids....Foreign crowds really no how to rock out. Heck, I saw Europe (lol) on Paladilla, Glastonbury Festival I believe, and they played The Final Countdown and the crowed reacted like Led Zep took the stage with John Bonham back from the grave playing drums!

by **ebake02** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:20 pm

I've always preferred Keep On Runnin' and Wheel in the Sky live over the album versions.

by **Archetype** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:50 pm

I like everything better live

by **KingdomOfMan** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:51 am

I enjoy the live version of 'After The Fall' from Greatest Hits Live. It has extra oomph to it, but mostly I prefer the recorded versions. I wish there was a live performance of Perry performing WCTNGOF somewhere though, because I would've loved to have heard it.

by **Infinity Vocalist 2010** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:57 pm

The video of Separate Ways that Rick posted was really great! I'm getting really excited for the Toronto show... I also enjoyed the extended version of it that they played in '09. I can't help but feel that it sounds heavier when they're tuned down. It makes a lot of difference but not negatively.

The Manila version of OA is awesome.
Escape doesn't really do it for me live, except for Houston. It's one of those ones that Perry really owns vocally.

MY favourite live song of all I think would have to be I'll Be Alright Without You from the '86 tour. Not the version from the GH DVD that's obviously been sound-edited. I like the raw version that I believe was used as a bonus track from the ROR reissue, because somehow Perry knew how to make the evident flaws turn around and sound okay.

I've also gotten pretty attached to Arnel's live version of Faithfully. On a good day he outsings Steve on it.

I also love DSB from Houston and Manila (minus the extended bits, never liked that preachy shit... although they're attempting to shout out to certain people going through hardships, blah blah blah, it tries too hard to categorize and pigeonhold what the song is about when it's fine as it is, a song that gives hope to EVERYONE).

I can't say I'm in love with ANY of Augeri's live stuff. :lol:

MR

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