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[Gideon]

Still....what accolades? I haven't read anything that gives the band accolades. The glowing reviews the band has recieved has been from...this site. Most other reviewers give the releases 4/5 stars. I wouldn't say an 80% review are good "accolades" what so ever..

Then I can only assume you're determined to twist the meaning of the term to facilitate your anti-Eclipse agenda. One of the definitions of the word is "an expression of praise"; when the day comes that praise is limited to 5/5 star reviews, I might concede the point.

[RossValoryRocks]

For them to have Arnel's mug on that picture from soundscan for DSB is a fucking joke. The dude didn't have a hand in the single and the plaque has his mug on it. WTF.

Don't sweat it. Like Kevin Shirley said, Perry is very much involved in every decision the band makes regarding songs from the back catalog. The same people are making the licensing deals and getting the royalties for DSB that have been for the last 30 years. A picture on a plaque won't change anything regardless of who's included in the picture and who's missing. The award is for the Columbia records version of the song so let' also not forget that Steve Smith is just as much part of that honor as the other four guys who played on Escape.

+1 The rest about this performance has already been said.

yeah, what rossvaloryrocks said? i know.

What about what I said? That the people here are being hard on the guys for leaving a show immediately following the finish, flying 3 hours, with no sleep and then playing a small set??? What

[Saint John]

Stu, in all fairness, I think people are dogging the management much more so than the band. This 2 month too late promotional blitz at the vocal peril of the lead singer is very much questionable. Do you agree or not? No bullshit PC answers either.

[RossValoryRocks]

Stu, in all fairness, I think people are dogging the management much more so than the band. This 2 month too late promotional blitz at the vocal peril of the lead singer is very much questionable. Do you agree or not? No bullshit PC answers either.

I think they could have done it better sure...but I am calling out people on ripping Journey on the performances...given the situation they did a great job.

[S2M]

What are you sycophants smoking...if they'd been on TV 2 months ago Eclipse would have done the same...promotion can't help this band. This only thing you're exposing is how much journey has fallen since '96.

[Gideon]

What are you sycophants smoking...

Something almost as potent as what's being consumed by the contrarians.

[S2M]

What are you sycophants smoking...

Something almost as potent as what's being consumed by the contrarians.

This forum needs a voice of reason....I'm it. The fanboyism must cease and desist.

[Gideon]

This forum needs a voice of reason....I'm it. The fanboyism must cease and desist.

Yeah and Fox News really is fair and balanced, right?

[S2M]

This forum needs a voice of reason....I'm it. The fanboyism must cease and desist.

Yeah and Fox News really is fair and balanced, right?

Go listen to Tantra and leave me outta this.....lol

[slucero]

This forum needs a voice of reason....I'm it. The fanboyism must cease and desist.

Yeah and Fox News really is fair and balanced, right?

...no more than MSNBC...

[Gideon]

This forum needs a voice of reason....I'm it. The fanboyism must cease and desist.

Yeah and Fox News really is fair and balanced, right?

...no more than MSNBC...

Yeah, but that's not MSNBC's slogan.

[YoungJRNY]

Sit down, shut the fuck up and just listen to the music. This is Journey's last years as a band. Enjoy it while it lasts rather than bitching about every last little pubic hair out of place.

[RossValoryRocks]

Sit down, shut the fuck up and just listen to the music. This is Journey's last years as a band. Enjoy it while it lasts rather than bitching about every last little pubic hair out of place.

Amen Trav. The music is forever...we can debate the pros and cons of management decisions all day, in the end though it all comes back to the music!

[The_Noble_Cause]

are you kidding? CBS Morning show was a great show. Sure Augeri had some moments but he was under the same conditions that Arnel was (show night before, no sleep, no warmup) and he pulled it off way better than they did yesterday.

Augeri's voice was thrashed during that CBS segment. He was singing with pretty much no high range whatsoever. If you want to upload the video on YouTube , go ahead. It was a huge disaster for the band because it was pretty much Augeri's debut to the mass public (other than VH1 BTM).

[Arkansas]

Upping the tempo to Faithfully would take a lot of the mechanical delivery out of it. It just seems s l o w. Hell, Arnel sang it better wit The Zoo!

Yeah, I've said it before but it bares repeating. Faithfully sucks when it is sang like this.

Worse 'Faithfully' I've ever heard.
At least they put sleeves on AP, so all the women wouldn't groan over all that stupid ink.


later~

[YoungJRNY]

are you kidding? CBS Morning show was a great show. Sure Augeri had some moments but he was under the same conditions that Arnel was (show night before, no sleep, no warmup) and he pulled it off way better than they did yesterday.

Augeri's voice was thrashed during that CBS segment. He was singing with pretty much no high range whatsoever. If you want to upload the video on YouTube , go ahead. It was a huge disaster for the band because it was pretty much Augeri's debut to the mass public (other than VH1 BTM).

I love Augeri more than the next "Wiggler" or whatever the hell people call themselves. Fact is, is that Augeri sound like he was drowning in a big bowl of runny diarrhea with no snorkel on the CBS morning show. It's almost like he had no voice box to deal with his nervousness. He went out there sounding like he couldn't push out words due to being so overwhelmed. Horrendous performance by Augeri that morning, it was practically embarrassing to watch and I was alone when I viewed it.

[WykkedSensation]

are you kidding? CBS Morning show was a great show. Sure Augeri had some moments but he was under the same conditions that Arnel was (show night before, no sleep, no warmup) and he pulled it off way better than they did yesterday.

Augeri's voice was thrashed during that CBS segment. He was singing with pretty much no high range whatsoever. If you want to upload the video on YouTube , go ahead. It was a huge disaster for the band because it was pretty much Augeri's debut to the mass public (other than VH1 BTM).

I love Augeri more than the next "Wiggler" or whatever the hell people call themselves. Fact is, is that Augeri sound like he was drowning in a big bowl of runny diarrhea with no snorkel on the CBS morning show. It's almost like he had no voice box to deal with his nervousness. He went out there sounding like he couldn't push out words due to being so overwhelmed. Horrendous performance by Augeri that morning, it was practically embarrassing to watch and I was alone when I viewed it.

Parts of this latest performance were completely embarassing to be honest.
Faithfully was a complete disaster. One of the bands most famous songs completely butchered yet again, and why is Pineda stuggling again so much with his diction, it's getting worse.

[The_Noble_Cause]

are you kidding? CBS Morning show was a great show. Sure Augeri had some moments but he was under the same conditions that Arnel was (show night before, no sleep, no warmup) and he pulled it off way better than they did yesterday.

Augeri's voice was thrashed during that CBS segment. He was singing with pretty much no high range whatsoever. If you want to upload the video on YouTube , go ahead. It was a huge disaster for the band because it was pretty much Augeri's debut to the mass public (other than VH1 BTM).

I love Augeri more than the next "Wiggler" or whatever the hell people call themselves. Fact is, is that Augeri sound like he was drowning in a big bowl of runny diarrhea with no snorkel on the CBS morning show. It's almost like he had no voice box to deal with his nervousness. He went out there sounding like he couldn't push out words due to being so overwhelmed. Horrendous performance by Augeri that morning, it was practically embarrassing to watch and I was alone when I viewed it.

Parts of this latest performance were completely embarassing to be honest.
Faithfully was a complete disaster. One of the bands most famous songs completely butchered yet again, and why is Pineda stuggling again so much with his diction, it's getting worse.

Faithfully is slowed down, but AP is still a tenor and hitting those notes. I don't hear any diction issues. A very respectable performance from the band all around.
There's no comparison to the CBS appearance promoting Arrival.

[WykkedSensation]

are you kidding? CBS Morning show was a great show. Sure Augeri had some moments but he was under the same conditions that Arnel was (show night before, no sleep, no warmup) and he pulled it off way better than they did yesterday.

Augeri's voice was thrashed during that CBS segment. He was singing with pretty much no high range whatsoever. If you want to upload the video on YouTube , go ahead. It was a huge disaster for the band because it was pretty much Augeri's debut to the mass public (other than VH1 BTM).

I love Augeri more than the next "Wiggler" or whatever the hell people call themselves. Fact is, is that Augeri sound like he was drowning in a big bowl of runny diarrhea with no snorkel on the CBS morning show. It's almost like he had no voice box to deal with his nervousness. He went out there sounding like he couldn't push out words due to being so overwhelmed. Horrendous performance by Augeri that morning, it was practically embarrassing to watch and I was alone when I viewed it.

Parts of this latest performance were completely embarassing to be honest.
Faithfully was a complete disaster. One of the bands most famous songs completely butchered yet again, and why is Pineda stuggling again so much with his diction, it's getting worse.

Faithfully is slowed down, but AP is still a tenor and hitting those notes. I don't hear any diction issues. A very respectable performance from the band all around.
There's no comparison to the CBS appearance promoting Arrival.

As always, you and i disagree.
The diction issues are back with a vengeance. The European tour showed that and the recent shows are showing it too, including this performance.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As always, you and i disagree.
The diction issues are back with a vengeance. The European tour showed that and the recent shows are showing it too, including this performance.

On what song? Some people are bitching about diction issues on Eclipse as well. Anyone who thinks this solid performance is comparable to the CBS morning show fiasco either didn't watch the CBS performace or is in denial.

[YoungJRNY]

are you kidding? CBS Morning show was a great show. Sure Augeri had some moments but he was under the same conditions that Arnel was (show night before, no sleep, no warmup) and he pulled it off way better than they did yesterday.

Augeri's voice was thrashed during that CBS segment. He was singing with pretty much no high range whatsoever. If you want to upload the video on YouTube , go ahead. It was a huge disaster for the band because it was pretty much Augeri's debut to the mass public (other than VH1 BTM).

I love Augeri more than the next "Wiggler" or whatever the hell people call themselves. Fact is, is that Augeri sound like he was drowning in a big bowl of runny diarrhea with no snorkel on the CBS morning show. It's almost like he had no voice box to deal with his nervousness. He went out there sounding like he couldn't push out words due to being so overwhelmed. Horrendous performance by Augeri that morning, it was practically embarrassing to watch and I was alone when I viewed it.

Parts of this latest performance were completely embarassing to be honest.
Faithfully was a complete disaster. One of the bands most famous songs completely butchered yet again, and why is Pineda stuggling again so much with his diction, it's getting worse.

Faithfully is slowed down, but AP is still a tenor and hitting those notes. I don't hear any diction issues. A very respectable performance from the band all around.
There's no comparison to the CBS appearance promoting Arrival.

As always, you and i disagree.
The diction issues are back with a vengeance. The European tour showed that and the recent shows are showing it too, including this performance.

Lol, with a vengeance. What is this? Too big of a word for music. I think Arnel is doing one helluva job. Remember now people, he ISN'T American for Christ sakes, his accent is going to show through sometimes, it's inevitable. The dude goes out there every night and sings his ass off, getting lost in the nights eyes of thousands of people around him. Of course his accent will show through, lets get real. Doesn't bother me, he sings the hell out of these songs. Not everyone needs to like it. Me personally, I enjoy what the band is doing.

[zigzag]

For them to have Arnel's mug on that picture from soundscan for DSB is a fucking joke. The dude didn't have a hand in the single and the plaque has his mug on it. WTF.

Don't sweat it. Like Kevin Shirley said, Perry is very much involved in every decision the band makes regarding songs from the back catalog. The same people are making the licensing deals and getting the royalties for DSB that have been for the last 30 years. A picture on a plaque won't change anything regardless of who's included in the picture and who's missing. The award is for the Columbia records version of the song so let' also not forget that Steve Smith is just as much part of that honor as the other four guys who played on Escape.

+1 The rest about this performance has already been said.

yeah, what rossvaloryrocks said? i know.

What about what I said? That the people here are being hard on the guys for leaving a show immediately following the finish, flying 3 hours, with no sleep and then playing a small set??? What[/quote

Yes. I am agreeing with you. People here are being too hard on the guys. I think they got the job done. They got the word out that they are on tour and have a new album.

[yulog]

There's one thing for sure(hearing the original songs by Perry in the background),Arnel is nowhere near Perrys tenor (not that this should be a shock) That said, Journey has struggled with the day show for whatever reason and these performances might give some new found respect for what Augeri did(in key) for several years with Journey.

Arnel showed some good, some bad(the oversinging was brutal). It looked like the audience had a good time, and that's the goal. You got to give them credit, they are sticking with COH despite so many people saying this song is weak. It's their band, their decisions (I guess that's how I would do it , if I was at the tail end of my career)

[Gideon]

There's one thing for sure(hearing the original songs by Perry in the background),Arnel is nowhere near Perrys tenor (not that this should be a shock)

While I do quite a bit of reading on singing, I preface the following with an admission that I'm hardly an expert: Arnel is a pretty high tenor, but Perry was a countertenor I believe; Arnel can sing in Perry's key, but their ranges aren't exactly parallel - prime!Perry could hit even higher notes and with much less effort. That said, Arnel's range is probably greater than Perry's was at the same age. Don't forget, Arnel nearly lost his voice years back over a medical condition.

Right now, the real difference between Arnel and Perry is polish. He's got the pipes, he just wields them clumsily at times.

[SYNCH]

Rehearsals

COH - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_6a_9sFts
DSB - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf5SpJSnGN4

Clearly not prepared here, Arnel is catching his breath. Phrasing is emphasized on every line, damn, I remember he got private Journey gig before the Revelation DVD, how on earth is he going to perform 100%? Steve Perry might have been traumatized then if this has been going since.

[jestor92]

Still....what accolades? I haven't read anything that gives the band accolades. The glowing reviews the band has recieved has been from...this site. Most other reviewers give the releases 4/5 stars. I wouldn't say an 80% review are good "accolades" what so ever..

Then I can only assume you're determined to twist the meaning of the term to facilitate your anti-Eclipse agenda. One of the definitions of the word is "an expression of praise"; when the day comes that praise is limited to 5/5 star reviews, I might concede the point.

Nice way to duck my question. Where are the accolades? My bias isn't even against Eclipse. It's been against the whole Arnel era. If they combined the good songs from Revelation and Eclipse they would still have a hard time putting together a solid album. It's not totally Arnie's fault. They've got to write better music (especially Cain lyrically) and they've got to tell him to stop over singing the shit. The complaints about the album not selling well are partially due to the fact of the small promotion, but also due to the last album being rushed and below average.

[Gideon]

Nice way to duck my question. Where are the accolades?

No one ducked anything unless you count you ducking one of the definitions of a very simple term.

Still....what accolades? I haven't read anything that gives the band accolades. The glowing reviews the band has recieved has been from...this site. Most other reviewers give the releases 4/5 stars. I wouldn't say an 80% review are good "accolades" what so ever..

Here, you acknowledge that Eclipse has gotten positive reviews (which is what a 4/5 star score is). You simply refuse to consider that an accolade. I'm simply pointing out to you that, no matter what you may think, an accolade isn't a mark of perfection and thus doesn't need a perfect score.

As far as the rest goes, I couldn't care less about your dislike of the entire Arnel-era. Preference is preference. What I will tell you is that the lyrics on Eclipse are a definite improvement over the pre-Cain era.