Interview with Neal Schon from Journey

[Don]

I'd say none of them are worth more than 50 million, maybe not even 30 million. That includes the miser himself. I used to think differently because I was looking at what Britney and all these younger stars were making but it's just not a viable comparison. There was a window in the late 90s where CD sales made you bazillions but Journey and a lot of early 80s acts missed that boat.
Nick Lowe had written a song in the seventies which ended up being covered by some no name group in the 90s. The tune was never released as a single or played on the radio by these no names BUT because it was included on the Bodyguard sound track, it made Nick a multi millionaire over night because he was the songwriter. Dude didn't have clue until his manager called him and said that someone had covered his song and it was on an album that was in the process of selling 40 million copies. The closest some writers in Journey came to that type of big payday was when Mariah Carey had a cover of Open Arms on an album that sold over 20 million copies.

The licensing is a big deal for the band and keeps certain members living in comfort but that's not going to be millions and millions of dollars. 100,000 here, 50k there plus royaties from syndication and what not; good money but not like selling 15 million CDs in a year like some of these millennium acts were doing.

As far as Arnel, from what I've always understood many of these hired gun singers out there are paid by the weeks they're on tour which is somewhere in the neighbor hood of 10k a week up to 20k depending how big the act is. I really believe they scored Arnel on the cheap and the first year with the band , he was making the low end of pay per week. I'm sure he's making more now but with his manager in the PI, who knows if the guy has topped a million a year yet.

[steveo777]

I'd say none of them are worth more than 50 million, maybe not even 30 million. That includes the miser himself. I used to think differently because I was looking at what Britney and all these younger stars were making but it's just not a viable comparison. There was a window in the late 90s where CD sales made you bazillions but Journey and a lot of early 80s acts missed that boat.
Nick Lowe had written a song in the seventies which ended up being covered by some no name group in the 90s. The tune was never released as a single or played on the radio by these no names BUT because it was included on the Bodyguard sound track, it made Nick a multi millionaire over night because he was the songwriter. Dude didn't have clue until his manager called him and said that someone had covered his song and it was on an album that was in the process of selling 40 million copies. The closest some writers in Journey came to that type of big payday was when Mariah Carey had a cover of Open Arms on an album that sold over 20 million copies.

The licensing is a big deal for the band and keeps certain members living in comfort but that's not going to be millions and millions of dollars. 100,000 here, 50k there plus royaties from syndication and what not; good money but not like selling 15 million CDs in a year like some of these millennium acts were doing.

As far as Arnel, from what I've always understood many of these hired gun singers out there are paid by the weeks they're on tour which is somewhere in the neighbor hood of 10k a week up to 20k depending how big the act is. I really believe they scored Arnel on the cheap and the first year with the band , he was making the low end of pay per week. I'm sure he's making more now but with his manager in the PI, who knows if the guy has topped a million a year yet.

Why would he still have a manager in the PI? Better legal eagles would have had him dump this guy by now. Maybe one of them has dirt.
If he still has Deleon as a manager, he's getting/gotten porked, plain and simple. In real money, AP probably has more buying power. I doubt
the dude even owns a credit card.

[Don]

I'd say none of them are worth more than 50 million, maybe not even 30 million. That includes the miser himself. I used to think differently because I was looking at what Britney and all these younger stars were making but it's just not a viable comparison. There was a window in the late 90s where CD sales made you bazillions but Journey and a lot of early 80s acts missed that boat.
Nick Lowe had written a song in the seventies which ended up being covered by some no name group in the 90s. The tune was never released as a single or played on the radio by these no names BUT because it was included on the Bodyguard sound track, it made Nick a multi millionaire over night because he was the songwriter. Dude didn't have clue until his manager called him and said that someone had covered his song and it was on an album that was in the process of selling 40 million copies. The closest some writers in Journey came to that type of big payday was when Mariah Carey had a cover of Open Arms on an album that sold over 20 million copies.

The licensing is a big deal for the band and keeps certain members living in comfort but that's not going to be millions and millions of dollars. 100,000 here, 50k there plus royaties from syndication and what not; good money but not like selling 15 million CDs in a year like some of these millennium acts were doing.

As far as Arnel, from what I've always understood many of these hired gun singers out there are paid by the weeks they're on tour which is somewhere in the neighbor hood of 10k a week up to 20k depending how big the act is. I really believe they scored Arnel on the cheap and the first year with the band , he was making the low end of pay per week. I'm sure he's making more now but with his manager in the PI, who knows if the guy has topped a million a year yet.

Why would he still have a manager in the PI? Better legal eagles would have had him dump this guy by now. Maybe one of them has dirt.
If he still has Deleon as a manager, he's getting/gotten porked, plain and simple.

Remember, he was under contract when Journey got him and he still has to do those TV appearances and what not. The guy had no concept what fair market value was for him to be the lead singer of an American band. Journey could have offerd a flat rate of 100k annually for three years and I'm sure it would have sounded fantastic to Arnel at that early point.

[steveo777]

I'd say none of them are worth more than 50 million, maybe not even 30 million. That includes the miser himself. I used to think differently because I was looking at what Britney and all these younger stars were making but it's just not a viable comparison. There was a window in the late 90s where CD sales made you bazillions but Journey and a lot of early 80s acts missed that boat.
Nick Lowe had written a song in the seventies which ended up being covered by some no name group in the 90s. The tune was never released as a single or played on the radio by these no names BUT because it was included on the Bodyguard sound track, it made Nick a multi millionaire over night because he was the songwriter. Dude didn't have clue until his manager called him and said that someone had covered his song and it was on an album that was in the process of selling 40 million copies. The closest some writers in Journey came to that type of big payday was when Mariah Carey had a cover of Open Arms on an album that sold over 20 million copies.

The licensing is a big deal for the band and keeps certain members living in comfort but that's not going to be millions and millions of dollars. 100,000 here, 50k there plus royaties from syndication and what not; good money but not like selling 15 million CDs in a year like some of these millennium acts were doing.

As far as Arnel, from what I've always understood many of these hired gun singers out there are paid by the weeks they're on tour which is somewhere in the neighbor hood of 10k a week up to 20k depending how big the act is. I really believe they scored Arnel on the cheap and the first year with the band , he was making the low end of pay per week. I'm sure he's making more now but with his manager in the PI, who knows if the guy has topped a million a year yet.

Why would he still have a manager in the PI? Better legal eagles would have had him dump this guy by now. Maybe one of them has dirt.
If he still has Deleon as a manager, he's getting/gotten porked, plain and simple.

Remember, he was under contract when Journey got him and he still has to do those TV appearances and what not. The guy had no concept what fair market value was for him to be the lead singer of an American band. Journey could have offerd a flat rate of 100k annually for three years and I'm sure it would have sounded fantastic to Arnel at that early point.

Hell, I'd be happy to make 100 grand in this economy. Oh, well, less taxes. Actually, making a smidge less than that is not so bad, since I have no kids to claim on my taxes anymore. I made almost 180 in 2006 and it felt worse than when I made 100k and the kids were still home. Had more debt then too, though.

[Don]

Any how, it's all just suppositions. Who knows, I could be off by a mile with the other guys figures but Arnel is a tad bit easier as we sort of know what the band has made over his tenure (not including anything legacy related).

[Eric]

I don't know how much they make per show or what other revenue streams Journey has created for Arnel...but reading articles about his charity work had me guessing he was worth multi-millions actually.

Why doesn't Journey's official twitter feed or Facebook page ever post these links (the article I'm referring to)?

[Arkansas]

'Net worth' has many variables other than what they've been paid by Journey, or how many records have been sold.
What about any endorsements, investments, other business, etc.? In other words, personal revenue & holdings, not just recent paychecks.


later~

[Saint John]

The closest some writers in Journey came to that type of big payday was when Mariah Carey had a cover of Open Arms on an album that sold over 20 million copies.

20 million on that album, 16 million on GH, 10 million on Escape, one+ million on The Essential Journey, about one million on Revelation and all of the countless DVDs and other packaged releases puts Open Arms north of 50 million. Another Jon Cain baby that turned into a goldmine.

[Michigan Girl]

Net Worth:

The amount by which assets exceed liabilities.

Exactly!! I remember, last year, Cher being interviewed for
the movie Burlesque The subject of her being listed as one of the
top 10 richest singers, including her $$$$ amt. came up ...she
laughed her ass off at the ridiculous numbers they had listed.

[Don]

Forbes is the trusted source for this and they have a top 25 list for highest paid musicians that has Rihanna in the 25th spot at 29 million dollars. She has 38 shows where she got 1 million dollars per concert and then she has her record sales.
Forbes takes that and factors in the production costs and all the other little things that eat up revenue and came out with the 29 million dollar take home number.
No sign of any one from Journey on that list. This despite (according to Cain) the band making more money over the last year or so than any other time in their career.

Does the three headed monster of Foreigner, Night Ranger and Journey together even make a million dollars a gig?

[Brett]

Hmmm, I like that Neal regards Deen as 'his' drummer...

[Saint John]

Does the three headed monster of Foreigner, Night Ranger and Journey together even make a million dollars a gig?

Not even close. I would venture to guess that Schon and Cain are making 15-20k per gig (and perhaps a bit more). I bet Ross and Deen make about 10k and Arnel makes about 5k. That's 45-55k per gig, and they're the headliners.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Does the three headed monster of Foreigner, Night Ranger and Journey together even make a million dollars a gig?

Not even close. I would venture to guess that Schon and Cain are making 15-20k per gig (and perhaps a bit more). I bet Ross and Deen make about 10k and Arnel makes about 5k. That's 45-55k per gig, and they're the headliners.

Don, you're talking the tour itself, right? Not just how much each individual band member takes home like SJ looked at? I'm going to say that yes, this tour clears $1 million in certain cities. In 40 shows on the 2011 leg of the Time Machine Tour, Rush exceeded $1 million four times:

$1,276,798 after selling out 13,207 seats at Madison Square Garden
$1,009,885 after selling 11,670 of 12,178 seats at the United Center in Chicago.
$1,008,250 with a sellout of 11,590 seats at the Bell Centre in Montreal
$1,221,530 by selling 12,984 of 13,517 available seats at the O2 in London

One other time they were in the $900,000 range, and three more they were in the $800,000s. A vast majority was around $500,000-$600,000 per show. So add in the fact that sheds have a bigger capacity because of lawn seating and average ticket prices for this tour are maybe slightly more than Rush - I'm going to say that the Journey, Foreigner and Night Ranger tour crosses the $1,000,000 threshold about once out of every eight or nine shows. Just a guess on that figure, though. I think attendances for J, F & NR are on par or even a bit more than Rush across the board.

[Don]

Does the three headed monster of Foreigner, Night Ranger and Journey together even make a million dollars a gig?

Not even close. I would venture to guess that Schon and Cain are making 15-20k per gig (and perhaps a bit more). I bet Ross and Deen make about 10k and Arnel makes about 5k. That's 45-55k per gig, and they're the headliners.

Don, you're talking the tour itself, right? Not just how much each individual band member takes home like SJ looked at? I'm going to say that yes, this tour clears $1 million in certain cities. In 40 shows on the 2011 leg of the Time Machine Tour, Rush exceeded $1 million four times:

$1,276,798 after selling out 13,207 seats at Madison Square Garden
$1,009,885 after selling 11,670 of 12,178 seats at the United Center in Chicago.
$1,008,250 with a sellout of 11,590 seats at the Bell Centre in Montreal
$1,221,530 by selling 12,984 of 13,517 available seats at the O2 in London

One other time they were in the $900,000 range, and three more they were in the $800,000s. A vast majority was around $500,000-$600,000 per show. So add in the fact that sheds have a bigger capacity because of lawn seating and average ticket prices for this tour are maybe slightly more than Rush - I'm going to say that the Journey, Foreigner and Night Ranger tour crosses the $1,000,000 threshold about once out of every eight or nine shows. Just a guess on that figure, though. I think attendances for J, F & NR are on par or even a bit more than Rush across the board.

I'm looking at venues Journey played in 2008 compared to this year also. 35 million that year, gross. Now I would think they should top that number this year but will they make 50 million for 50 shows? It will be interesting to see.

[cinkidd]

Let's get off of the the Money Train here for a second and focus on something that Neal said:

“Last week we did five [shows] in a row, including the Today show, which we did on no sleep from Minneapolis,” reports Schon, the band’s co-founder, when he calls The Aquarian from the road. “We played St. Louis and somewhere before then and then flew out from Minneapolis at midnight in a private jet, arrived in New York at four in the morning, went directly to their place [NBC], got changed and waited around to play with no sleep. We did that, then flew back to Chicago that night on a private jet. It’s just becoming a wash. With songs like ours, even in the heyday with Steve Perry, it was hard to do more than two in a row. Once in a while we did three in a row.”

Really Neal look below to see how much bs you dishing out:

Mar. 29, 1978 Auditorium. Duluth, MN Montrose, Van Halen
Mar. 30, 1978 Theater. St. Paul, MN Montrose, Van Halen
Mar. 31, 1978 Municipal Auditorium. Kansas City, MO Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 1, 1978 Kiel Opera House. St. Louis, MO Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 2, 1978 Music Hall. Omaha, NE Montrose, Van Halen

Apr. 5, 1978 Aragon Hall. Chicago, IL Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 6, 1978 IMA Arena. Flint, MI Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 7, 1978 War Memorial Auditorium. Nashville, TN Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 8, 1978 Murray State University Fieldhouse. Murray, KY Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 9, 1978 Boutwell Auditorium. Birmingham, AL Montrose, Van Halen

Apr. 11, 1978 Coliseum. Corpus Christi, TX Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 12, 1978 Municipal Auditorium. Austin, TX Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 13, 1978 Municipal Auditorium. Shreveport, LA Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 14, 1978 Will Rodgers Auditorium. Fort Worth, TX Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 15, 1978 Music Hall. Houston, TX Montrose, Van Halen
Apr. 16, 1978 Warehouse. New Orleans, LA Montrose, Van Halen


Sep. 11, 1981 Pine Knob. Clarkston, MI Greg Kihn Band
Sep. 12, 1981 Pine Knob. Clarkston, MI Greg Kihn Band
Sep. 13, 1981 Pine Knob. Clarkston, MI Greg Kihn Band
Sep. 14, 1981 Pine Knob. Clarkston, MI Greg Kihn Band
Sep. 15, 1981 Ames. IW
Sep. 16, 1981 St. Paul, MN

There are plenty more dates that prove that Neal is wrong on this. In his day Perry was a MACHINE beyond compare and now he is paying the ultimate singers price for turning and burning those type of concert dates. Man up Neal and give Perry his due on this one.

Rich the Burning Guy

[FamilyMan]

[quote="tater1977"]Interview with Neal Schon from Journey: Signs Of Life

—by Bryan Reesman, August 17, 2011

http://www.theaquarian.com/2011/08/17/i ... s-of-life/



"The hard rocking new record, Eclipse, continues their musical roll. Although its immediate sales have not been as high as its predecessor—at least domestically—the group continues to play huge concerts, and Schon believes that, with more singles on the way, there is life in the release yet. Journey recently performed on the Today show and were featured on the CBS Morning News."

Can this guy please check SOME of his facts? It's CBS SUNDAY MORNING.

[RedWingFan]

Interview with Neal Schon from Journey: Signs Of Life

—by Bryan Reesman, August 17, 2011

http://www.theaquarian.com/2011/08/17/i ... s-of-life/



"The hard rocking new record, Eclipse, continues their musical roll. Although its immediate sales have not been as high as its predecessor—at least domestically—the group continues to play huge concerts, and Schon believes that, with more singles on the way, there is life in the release yet. Journey recently performed on the Today show and were featured on the CBS Morning News."

Can this guy please check SOME of his facts? It's CBS SUNDAY MORNING.

Yeah Niel, it's still alive. Kinda how the lobsters in the lobster tank at Red Lobster are still alive!

[Rick]

Interview with Neal Schon from Journey: Signs Of Life

—by Bryan Reesman, August 17, 2011

http://www.theaquarian.com/2011/08/17/i ... s-of-life/



"The hard rocking new record, Eclipse, continues their musical roll. Although its immediate sales have not been as high as its predecessor—at least domestically—the group continues to play huge concerts, and Schon believes that, with more singles on the way, there is life in the release yet. Journey recently performed on the Today show and were featured on the CBS Morning News."

Can this guy please check SOME of his facts? It's CBS SUNDAY MORNING.

Yeah Niel, it's still alive. Kinda how the lobsters in the lobster tank at Red Lobster are still alive!

[steveo777]

Interview with Neal Schon from Journey: Signs Of Life

—by Bryan Reesman, August 17, 2011

http://www.theaquarian.com/2011/08/17/i ... s-of-life/



"The hard rocking new record, Eclipse, continues their musical roll. Although its immediate sales have not been as high as its predecessor—at least domestically—the group continues to play huge concerts, and Schon believes that, with more singles on the way, there is life in the release yet. Journey recently performed on the Today show and were featured on the CBS Morning News."

Can this guy please check SOME of his facts? It's CBS SUNDAY MORNING.

Yeah Niel, it's still alive. Kinda how the lobsters in the lobster tank at Red Lobster are still alive!

Ok, I just about blew my spaghetti out my nose. Fucker!

[Rick]

Interview with Neal Schon from Journey: Signs Of Life

—by Bryan Reesman, August 17, 2011

http://www.theaquarian.com/2011/08/17/i ... s-of-life/



"The hard rocking new record, Eclipse, continues their musical roll. Although its immediate sales have not been as high as its predecessor—at least domestically—the group continues to play huge concerts, and Schon believes that, with more singles on the way, there is life in the release yet. Journey recently performed on the Today show and were featured on the CBS Morning News."

Can this guy please check SOME of his facts? It's CBS SUNDAY MORNING.

Yeah Niel, it's still alive. Kinda how the lobsters in the lobster tank at Red Lobster are still alive!

Ok, I just about blew my spaghetti out my nose. Fucker!

I damn near spit beer. That was one of the best lines I've ever read on here.

[The_Noble_Cause]

"City of Hope" may have been inspired by the band's trip to Manilla, but in other interviews, Cain said the concept behind Eclipse was inspired by the book "The Power of Intention" by self-help guru, Dr. Wayne Dyer (no joke).

[Gideon]

Really?

[tater1977]

"City of Hope" may have been inspired by the band's trip to Manilla, but in other interviews, Cain said the concept behind Eclipse was inspired by the book "The Power of Intention" by self-help guru, Dr. Wayne Dyer (no joke).

Now I'm wondering if Jon and Neal where on the same trip to Manila....


And now I've got this mental pic of the poor lobster at Red Lobster.... eating Steveo's spaghetti & drinking Ricks beer....

[The_Noble_Cause]

:o

Really?

Yeh, I'll dig up the magazine. Just read the issue. Here's another interview where he mentions being inspired by that schmucky bald hack, Dyer.


Q: Could you talk about the concept of the album [Eclipse]?

A: I read a book that changed my life a few years ago called "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle. And there was another one that came out shortly after that, "The Power of Intention" by Wayne Dyer. They described this place where perfection exists for human beings. So the concept of the album is to turn down the noise in your head and try to connect to a deeper place. We get sucked into the Internet and streaming information, and it's time to just unplug and look within. Life is perfect, you know? The Hindus got it right. We've always been a band about the positive things, and I just thought this was something that, at 60 years old, I could write.

http://www.azcentral.com/thingstodo/mus ... z1VULlajkc