They'll make a front man out of him yet - fucking cool!

[Deb]

Burton Cummings in his heyday was every bit the singer Steve Perry was. Listen to These Eyes and Laughing - he's hitting some deceivingly high notes there. And his voice is unbelievably unique. I've heard plenty of people do a very convincing Perry. I've heard NO BODY do a convincing Burton Cummings. Not even close.

Your long distance runner and sprinter analogy really makes no sense at all. All parties involved are singing on tour - the same activity. The fact that some can do it at their original level (or at least do their voices justice in the original key) at an older age is all that matters in the comparison. Range is all relative.

If you want a better sports analogy, think of a knuckleballer vs a fastball/heat thrower. The fact that the knuckleballer can keep winning well into his 40s and the fastball thrower burns his arm out quicker doesn't diminish the knuckleballer's ability to stay at the top of his game. It works for the knuckleballer. It doesn't work for the fastball thrower once he can't break 90 MPH anymore. Similarly, downtuning works for some bands and fails miserably for others.

Journey music just involves too many happy, major key sounding songs with lots of open chords on the guitar. Eb tuning doesn't work.

And actually, I don't really recall criticizing Arnel in this thread at all. Interesting how your fanboy zeal colors your reading comprehension. Arnel's vocals don't necessarily bother me downtuned. I don't really like his delivery at all. But the instruments are what bother me more in this tuning.

One of my personal faves! He was playing the Coca-Cola stage a few years back at the Calgary Stampede. I had forgotten he was going to be playing and happened to walk by at the right time and hearing that song, stopped us in our tracks, we stood there and watched the rest of his set. Gawd, I love that song from way back! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZvLGwZ_-fg

[Ritchie]

And actually, I don't really recall criticizing Arnel in this thread at all. Interesting how your fanboy zeal colors your reading comprehension. Arnel's vocals don't necessarily bother me downtuned. I don't really like his delivery at all. But the instruments are what bother me more in this tuning.

Ok you didn`t criticize Arnel directly but you criticized Journey for downtuning the songs.
And we both know that this downtuning is done because the band wants to prevent that their current leadsinger gets toasted just like the others before him..a lesson learned I would say!
I`m not criticizing or attacking you or anyone who doesn`t like Pineda`s vocal delivery,I`m just criticizing " a general tendency to minimize his qualities as a singer".
But hey I get your drift "You don`t like fucking downtuned songs especially if it`s Journey" OK carry on.

[froy]

Love this vid from CO 10/1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEpaBtNbshk

He thinks he's Freddie , No interest

[annie89509]

Sounds like total ass downtuned.

With all due respect to Bruce Springsteen and Burton Cummings but Journey/Perry vocals are in a different league,you just can`t compare them.
It`s like comparing a long distance runner with a sprinter..both are atheletes but they are not the same.
Pineda`s performances during the beginning of the Revelation tour (2008)were on key but no matter what ..on key or a a step down.. he gets crucified anyway.

Burton Cummings in his heyday was every bit the singer Steve Perry was. Listen to These Eyes and Laughing - he's hitting some deceivingly high notes there. And his voice is unbelievably unique. I've heard plenty of people do a very convincing Perry. I've heard NO BODY do a convincing Burton Cummings. Not even close.

Your long distance runner and sprinter analogy really makes no sense at all. All parties involved are singing on tour - the same activity. The fact that some can do it at their original level (or at least do their voices justice in the original key) at an older age is all that matters in the comparison. Range is all relative.

If you want a better sports analogy, think of a knuckleballer vs a fastball/heat thrower. The fact that the knuckleballer can keep winning well into his 40s and the fastball thrower burns his arm out quicker doesn't diminish the knuckleballer's ability to stay at the top of his game. It works for the knuckleballer. It doesn't work for the fastball thrower once he can't break 90 MPH anymore. Similarly, downtuning works for some bands and fails miserably for others.

Journey music just involves too many happy, major key sounding songs with lots of open chords on the guitar. Eb tuning doesn't work.

And actually, I don't really recall criticizing Arnel in this thread at all. Interesting how your fanboy zeal colors your reading comprehension. Arnel's vocals don't necessarily bother me downtuned. I don't really like his delivery at all. But the instruments are what bother me more in this tuning.

Matt you know I agree with you about Burton's capabilities as a singer and that no-one can replicate his voice. But as far as him not downtuning, I'm pretty sure he has done that with at least some songs on this past years's tour - especially this one (not that I mind - he still sounds great):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXkJN7e1_2U

Burton Cummings…another great singer with a very unique voice. I think you have to be a serious classic rock fan of a certain age to really appreciate BC. The Guess Who and Burton Cummings…wow....some great songs. Nice to see he’s back out there..

[annie89509]

It's simple: Kelly has a level of sophistication and polish about him that Arnel doesn't have.
It is noticeable and it's not just you getting a bad vibe.

Wow...did you just agree with me?

Yup.
I possess the rare ability to recognize the shortcomings of Journey: current and former members included. Not to mention I've been saying this for months.

Giddy has turned over a new leaf

[Triple S]

Burton Cummings…another great singer with a very unique voice. I think you have to be a serious classic rock fan of a certain age to really appreciate BC. The Guess Who and Burton Cummings…wow....some great songs. Nice to see he’s back out there..

Well, except for young Matt .

I've seen the Guess Who and Burton solo several times - I was so looking forward to seeing him on this year's tour but unfortunately he cancelled the date (at the last minute - I'm still pissed about that ) of the concert we were going to attend. He's posted lots of clips on YT from this tour on YT, though - and he's still going strong and sounds good.

Interesting and nice clip of him chatting with reporters on the red carpet at the recent Canada Walk of Fame ceremony:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5_enXvEvXE

[AR]

Burton Cummings…another great singer with a very unique voice. I think you have to be a serious classic rock fan of a certain age to really appreciate BC. The Guess Who and Burton Cummings…wow....some great songs. Nice to see he’s back out there..

Well, except for young Matt .

I've seen the Guess Who and Burton solo several times - I was so looking forward to seeing him on this year's tour but unfortunately he cancelled the date (at the last minute - I'm still pissed about that ) of the concert we were going to attend. He's posted lots of clips on YT from this tour on YT, though - and he's still going strong and sounds good.

Interesting and nice clip of him chatting with reporters on the red carpet at the recent Canada Walk of Fame ceremony:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5_enXvEvXE

Burton Cummings has a gig near where I live in January. Might go check it out.

[Triple S]

Burton Cummings…another great singer with a very unique voice. I think you have to be a serious classic rock fan of a certain age to really appreciate BC. The Guess Who and Burton Cummings…wow....some great songs. Nice to see he’s back out there..

Well, except for young Matt .

I've seen the Guess Who and Burton solo several times - I was so looking forward to seeing him on this year's tour but unfortunately he cancelled the date (at the last minute - I'm still pissed about that ) of the concert we were going to attend. He's posted lots of clips on YT from this tour on YT, though - and he's still going strong and sounds good.

Interesting and nice clip of him chatting with reporters on the red carpet at the recent Canada Walk of Fame ceremony:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5_enXvEvXE

Burton Cummings has a gig near where I live in January. Might go check it out.

You should - he's 64 so I'm not sure how much longer he'll be doing this . His band (The Carpet Frogs) are excellent also.

[tammy]

I'm not a serious classic rock fan, but did grow up with the sound of "The Guess Who" and love BC's unique voice... (I remember an art assignment in grade school when we had to design an album cover for a popular band...I chose The Guess Who - painted an owl in a tree...get it? whoooo.. Funny, but owls are back "in", "real in" - I just finished a mixed media owl collage for my kid's classroom.)

Anywho...here's one of my faves by the band: "Undun" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMF5GM0Kt8

sorry, back to the topic...what was it? old age yaknow.

[Triple S]

I'm not a serious classic rock fan, but did grow up with the sound of "The Guess Who" and love BC's unique voice... (I remember an art assignment in grade school when we had to design an album cover for a popular band...I chose The Guess Who - painted an owl in a tree...get it? whoooo.. Funny, but owls are back "in", "real in" - I just finished a mixed media owl collage for my kid's classroom.)

Anywho...here's one of my faves by the band: "Undun" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMF5GM0Kt8

sorry, back to the topic...what was it? old age yaknow.

I dunno - but still off topic - I'm just watching the broadcast of the Walk of Fame ceremony right now. Eric McCormack (Will of Will & Grace) just sang a medley of Guess Who/BC songs with Burton's band. Suprisingly good (I think he's actually a Broadway performer so he can sing). He did the tribute because he's a huge BC fan, and last year when he got his star Burton sang for him. Pretty cool