Hawaii 77, Japan 1980, Japan 83 and Perry 94 show on youtube

[Don]

For the few who don't have this on bootleg DVD, here is the complete show from Japan, 1980. This show's performances of Lights and Stay Awhile where included on the Captured album. One hour and 44 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SiLQUkJ ... re=related



This isn't the complete 83 show but about a dozen live clips included in a Japanese music program. Again most here probably have the boot but for those who don't here you go. 50 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36jeBIYl ... re=related



Perry in New York 1994. An hour and a half show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_s-tRFG ... re=related



Short Diamond Head show featuring Fleishman on vocals. About 30 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc5VQ1lX ... ure=relmfu

[steveo777]

Maybe a bad YT recording, but the vocals sound pretty bad there. Based on what we're hearing here (94) could SP still be in Journey 18 years later? Not to fault Steve, but for some, father time is just not kind, especially considering how many nights he pushed himself with Journey. Lots of miles and smiles on that voice.

[Don]

Maybe a bad YT recording, but the vocals sound pretty bad there. Based on what we're hearing here (94) could SP still be in Journey 18 years later? Not to fault Steve, but for some, father time is just not kind, especially considering how many nights he pushed himself with Journey. Lots of miles and smiles on that voice.

I've never watched any of Perry's solo shows but having gone to see 60+ year old guys whose voices have changed a bit over the years (Justin Hayward, Boz Scaggs) I think it's not that big a deal for most audiences. When you hear these older songs, it a takes you back to when you first discovered them and the performer becomes more of an old acquaintance who you are sharing fond memories with again.

When Arnel or Augeri sing something from Arrival or Eclipse I can relate to that but when they cover an older song, the emotional cupboard is empty for me; no connection what so ever because they weren't there, they don't exist in that era or moment which I am remembering so fondly when I first heard that song.

That's the great thing about loving so many groups or singers from all genres or ages. When one shuts it down, the loss can easily be remedied by going and seeing another performer. The digital age's greatest accomplishment is keeping the artists immortal, even when they do finally ride off into the sunset.

[STORY_TELLER]

Maybe a bad YT recording, but the vocals sound pretty bad there. Based on what we're hearing here (94) could SP still be in Journey 18 years later? Not to fault Steve, but for some, father time is just not kind, especially considering how many nights he pushed himself with Journey. Lots of miles and smiles on that voice.

Bad recording. I know first hand because I was at the Beacon Theater that night and I was totally blown away. The sheer force of his vocals was amazing. Powerful doesn't begin to describe it. It was flat out spine chilling. I've seen Arnel twice with Journey. As good as Arnel is, and as good as Deen is -- and they are both very good -- they're just not Steve Perry. No one is.

It's like seeing a picture of a really hot girl, then you meet her in person, and she's somehow even hotter than the picture. Nothing different in terms of features -- she's just hotter in person. That's what it was like.

[steveo777]

Maybe a bad YT recording, but the vocals sound pretty bad there. Based on what we're hearing here (94) could SP still be in Journey 18 years later? Not to fault Steve, but for some, father time is just not kind, especially considering how many nights he pushed himself with Journey. Lots of miles and smiles on that voice.

Bad recording. I know first hand because I was at the Beacon Theater that night and I was totally blown away. The sheer force of his vocals was amazing. Powerful doesn't begin to describe it. It was flat out spine chilling. I've seen Arnel twice with Journey. As good as Arnel is, and as good as Deen is -- and they are both very good -- they're just not Steve Perry. No one is.

It's like seeing a picture of a really hot girl, then you meet her in person, and she's somehow even hotter than the picture. Nothing different in terms of features -- she's just hotter in person. That's what it was like.

Agree with this. I saw this concert in 95, in Spokane, and had the same excitement as you. I also know that Steve couldn't do this now. I like Arnel and Deen and with them we still have a Journey forward. It think that's what it is with most current fans. We want it to live and the currents are great ones to experience it with.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Still they ride from the Osaka show is the best live version I have ever heard... By far.. Steve does this little trill and the end of a note hold and the crown looses it. Goosebump city at that moment..

[scarygirl]

I heard someone mention downloading another show off of youtube. How do you do that>

[STORY_TELLER]

I heard someone mention downloading another show off of youtube. How do you do that>

If you use firefox, install flash video downloader as an add-on.

[Squidward24]

What annoys me is that there are professional recordings out there. See the live "Missing You" from the 2006 re-released of FTLOSM. If there's one song there has to be more.

[Frontiers65]

Maybe a bad YT recording, but the vocals sound pretty bad there. Based on what we're hearing here (94) could SP still be in Journey 18 years later? Not to fault Steve, but for some, father time is just not kind, especially considering how many nights he pushed himself with Journey. Lots of miles and smiles on that voice.

Bad recording. I know first hand because I was at the Beacon Theater that night and I was totally blown away. The sheer force of his vocals was amazing. Powerful doesn't begin to describe it. It was flat out spine chilling. I've seen Arnel twice with Journey. As good as Arnel is, and as good as Deen is -- and they are both very good -- they're just not Steve Perry. No one is.

It's like seeing a picture of a really hot girl, then you meet her in person, and she's somehow even hotter than the picture. Nothing different in terms of features -- she's just hotter in person. That's what it was like.

Agree with this. I saw this concert in 95, in Spokane, and had the same excitement as you. I also know that Steve couldn't do this now. I like Arnel and Deen and with them we still have a Journey forward. It think that's what it is with most current fans. We want it to live and the currents are great ones to experience it with.

You must mean Seattle, I was there and he was fantastic! Perry never went to Spokane on his solo tour. He went to Seattle then Portland Oregon. I also looked the dates up, and Spokane is not there.

[steveo777]

Maybe a bad YT recording, but the vocals sound pretty bad there. Based on what we're hearing here (94) could SP still be in Journey 18 years later? Not to fault Steve, but for some, father time is just not kind, especially considering how many nights he pushed himself with Journey. Lots of miles and smiles on that voice.

Bad recording. I know first hand because I was at the Beacon Theater that night and I was totally blown away. The sheer force of his vocals was amazing. Powerful doesn't begin to describe it. It was flat out spine chilling. I've seen Arnel twice with Journey. As good as Arnel is, and as good as Deen is -- and they are both very good -- they're just not Steve Perry. No one is.

It's like seeing a picture of a really hot girl, then you meet her in person, and she's somehow even hotter than the picture. Nothing different in terms of features -- she's just hotter in person. That's what it was like.

Agree with this. I saw this concert in 95, in Spokane, and had the same excitement as you. I also know that Steve couldn't do this now. I like Arnel and Deen and with them we still have a Journey forward. It think that's what it is with most current fans. We want it to live and the currents are great ones to experience it with.

You must mean Seattle, I was there and he was fantastic! Perry never went to Spokane on his solo tour. He went to Seattle then Portland Oregon. I also looked the dates up, and Spokane is not there.

I guess on January 9th 1995 I was not seated in the Opera House in Spokane, watching Steve Perry's show.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/1995/j ... e-guitars/

[brywool]

Perry sounds ok on the 94 recording, but he totally avoids a lot of his high notes at this show. Listen to Only the Young, he completely changes the melody lines (in a lot of the songs actually) to accommodate his diminished range. He doesn't even sing the right chorus harmony in Only the Young, he sings the lower one. He was doing that at the end of the 83 tour with Journey too- he changed his part in the Separate Ways chorus so that it was nearly one note throughout (which was not as recorded and just wrecked that great melody line). I don't have a guitar in front of me, but I think this show is tuned down a FULL step. Not a half step (as many bands do, but a FULL step). He also changes the melody of the Oh Sherrie chorus and sings a lower harmony on the last lines of the chorus. He didn't do that when he sang the song with Journey on the ROR tour.

Perry was/is(?) a great vocalist but to say this is a great recording of him is just ... incorrect. To me, while it's very entertaining- as Steve ALWAYS was- nobody could touch him as a front guy, but man, his voice here is truthfully a shadow of what it was. The YT recording is decent enough to hear how he's changed the melody lines and song keys to accommodate his lower range.

It's not as bad as Augeri's bad shows were because Perry ALWAYS had great pitch and tone live (SA didn't). Perry's one of (if not THE) most gifted rock singer during the rock era, but this performance clearly shows him at a diminished level.
The important thing to note is that the audience could care less. It'd be the same if he came out now and toured. The audience would just be glad to see him. But as a singer, it's really apparent that he was having some pretty severe problems here. For any joe blow out there, it'd be a great vocal performance. For Steve Perry, not so much. Still the best feel of any singer of that time, but he definitely had some issues going.

It's odd that at the beginning of the Frontiers tour- he was amazing live. Something happened during that tour that put him on the road to losing some of his voice. By the end of THAT tour, he was having difficulties and the band was playing everything way fast to help him out. And those issues stayed with him and apparently got worse for him by 94.

Does anyone have a list of the tour dates he did in 94? I'd be curious to see how the shows were laid out. (Days in a row, etc.)

[Ehwmatt]

Perry sounds ok on the 94 recording, but he totally avoids a lot of his high notes at this show. Listen to Only the Young, he completely changes the melody lines (in a lot of the songs actually) to accommodate his diminished range. He doesn't even sing the right chorus harmony in Only the Young, he sings the lower one. He was doing that at the end of the 83 tour with Journey too- he changed his part in the Separate Ways chorus so that it was nearly one note throughout (which was not as recorded and just wrecked that great melody line). I don't have a guitar in front of me, but I think this show is tuned down a FULL step. Not a half step (as many bands do, but a FULL step). He also changes the melody of the Oh Sherrie chorus and sings a lower harmony on the last lines of the chorus. He didn't do that when he sang the song with Journey on the ROR tour.

Perry was/is(?) a great vocalist but to say this is a great recording of him is just ... incorrect. To me, while it's very entertaining- as Steve ALWAYS was- nobody could touch him as a front guy, but man, his voice here is truthfully a shadow of what it was. The YT recording is decent enough to hear how he's changed the melody lines and song keys to accommodate his lower range.

It's not as bad as Augeri's bad shows were because Perry ALWAYS had great pitch and tone live (SA didn't). Perry's one of (if not THE) most gifted rock singer during the rock era, but this performance clearly shows him at a diminished level.
The important thing to note is that the audience could care less. It'd be the same if he came out now and toured. The audience would just be glad to see him. But as a singer, it's really apparent that he was having some pretty severe problems here. For any joe blow out there, it'd be a great vocal performance. For Steve Perry, not so much. Still the best feel of any singer of that time, but he definitely had some issues going.

It's odd that at the beginning of the Frontiers tour- he was amazing live. Something happened during that tour that put him on the road to losing some of his voice. By the end of THAT tour, he was having difficulties and the band was playing everything way fast to help him out. And those issues stayed with him and apparently got worse for him by 94.

Does anyone have a list of the tour dates he did in 94? I'd be curious to see how the shows were laid out. (Days in a row, etc.)

I wouldn't say it's "odd" that he suddenly lost something on his voice. Jeremey can pinpoint the exact moment his voice blew out. Who knows, maybe something similar happened to SP? If not, my guess is overuse combined with not taking care of himself (won't touch the drug/booze rumors, let's just call it the trials and tribulations of the road) did him in and the most severe symptoms manifested quickly, but the actual decline was not as sudden as it seemed. It's like athletes--a lot of them seemingly get old overnight. You definitely see it in my 3 main sports--football, basketball, and tennis. It's amazing. But when you objectively go back and look at games/matches over the last couple years of their alleged primes, you can see the loss of a step there, the huff and puff here, and so on. I'll bet Perry's decline wasn't as sudden and drastic as it seems to be now if you were to really analyze his decline show-by-show and night-by-night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dofRGNCtUKI -- I assume these are the shows you're speculating being a full step down. Definitely not. Just half a step. Still frighteningly awful, in any case.

It's funny. I can pretty much hear right away to what extent a band is downtuned (and most bands I know of don't go below 1/2 step/Eb). But with Journey, I really have to check between a half or full step because it's so much more apparent when their music is downtuned than just about anyone else I can think of (from Leppard to Elton John and whoever else downtunes these days). I think that's a testament to how challenging and dependent on the full vocal range that this material really is.

[brywool]

Perry sounds ok on the 94 recording, but he totally avoids a lot of his high notes at this show. Listen to Only the Young, he completely changes the melody lines (in a lot of the songs actually) to accommodate his diminished range. He doesn't even sing the right chorus harmony in Only the Young, he sings the lower one. He was doing that at the end of the 83 tour with Journey too- he changed his part in the Separate Ways chorus so that it was nearly one note throughout (which was not as recorded and just wrecked that great melody line). I don't have a guitar in front of me, but I think this show is tuned down a FULL step. Not a half step (as many bands do, but a FULL step). He also changes the melody of the Oh Sherrie chorus and sings a lower harmony on the last lines of the chorus. He didn't do that when he sang the song with Journey on the ROR tour.

Perry was/is(?) a great vocalist but to say this is a great recording of him is just ... incorrect. To me, while it's very entertaining- as Steve ALWAYS was- nobody could touch him as a front guy, but man, his voice here is truthfully a shadow of what it was. The YT recording is decent enough to hear how he's changed the melody lines and song keys to accommodate his lower range.

It's not as bad as Augeri's bad shows were because Perry ALWAYS had great pitch and tone live (SA didn't). Perry's one of (if not THE) most gifted rock singer during the rock era, but this performance clearly shows him at a diminished level.
The important thing to note is that the audience could care less. It'd be the same if he came out now and toured. The audience would just be glad to see him. But as a singer, it's really apparent that he was having some pretty severe problems here. For any joe blow out there, it'd be a great vocal performance. For Steve Perry, not so much. Still the best feel of any singer of that time, but he definitely had some issues going.

It's odd that at the beginning of the Frontiers tour- he was amazing live. Something happened during that tour that put him on the road to losing some of his voice. By the end of THAT tour, he was having difficulties and the band was playing everything way fast to help him out. And those issues stayed with him and apparently got worse for him by 94.

Does anyone have a list of the tour dates he did in 94? I'd be curious to see how the shows were laid out. (Days in a row, etc.)

I wouldn't say it's "odd" that he suddenly lost something on his voice. Jeremey can pinpoint the exact moment his voice blew out. Who knows, maybe something similar happened to SP? If not, my guess is overuse combined with not taking care of himself (won't touch the drug/booze rumors, let's just call it the trials and tribulations of the road) did him in and the most severe symptoms manifested quickly, but the actual decline was not as sudden as it seemed. It's like athletes--a lot of them seemingly get old overnight. You definitely see it in my 3 main sports--football, basketball, and tennis. It's amazing. But when you objectively go back and look at games/matches over the last couple years of their alleged primes, you can see the loss of a step there, the huff and puff here, and so on. I'll bet Perry's decline wasn't as sudden and drastic as it seems to be now if you were to really analyze his decline show-by-show and night-by-night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dofRGNCtUKI -- I assume these are the shows you're speculating being a full step down. Definitely not. Just half a step. Still frightening awful, in any case.

It's funny. I can pretty much hear right away to what extent a band is downtuned (and most bands I know of don't go below 1/2 step/Eb). But with Journey, I really have to check between a half or full step because it's so much more apparent when their music is downtuned than just about anyone else I can think of (from Leppard to Elton John and whoever else downtunes these days). I think that's a testament to how challenging and dependent on the full vocal range that this material really is.

It's odd to me because at the beginning of that Frontiers tour, he was flawless. That Japan boot is one of those shows. By the time they were halfway through that tour, he was having some issues that I'd never heard on previous tours. The Frontiers tour was the 4th tour I'd seen them. Coulda been a single incident, but his previous tours did not have those issues. I know Perry said that he roughed up his voice to get a different feel- NO singer would damage his voice intentionally and if he did that, then he was really stupid. Yeah yeah, I know, so many prefer the smokey voiced Perry. That's great till you start losing range. Then something's wrong. I'm sure it was wear and tear, but was the Frontiers tour longer than the Escape tour? Were there more shows on it? (I'm actually asking, I don't know). I would expect that by Frontiers, they were able to ratchet back the touring a bit. Maybe not.

On the keys, You're right. I have a pitch pipe on my phone, forgot. Yeah, it's only a half step on the 94 recording. I stand corrected. I may have confused it with the Bill Graham deal where they DID tune down a full step. Sorry about that.

[Don]

They did 105 shows on the Frontiers tour, a few less than the 118 they did on the Escape tour. The Escape tour did have a three month break were the Frontiers tour didn't though.

Down to 65 shows for ROR and 50 for his solo tour.

[SF-Dano]

For the few who don't have this on bootleg DVD, here is the complete show from Japan, 1980. This show's performances of Lights and Stay Awhile where included on the Captured album. One hour and 44 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SiLQUkJ ... re=related

I maybe one of the few who don't have this but I would love to get a copy. hint, hint, NUDGE, NUDGE. I don't use Firefox. Please PM me if you can help.

[yulog]

They did 105 shows on the Frontiers tour, a few less than the 118 they did on the Escape tour. The Escape tour did have a three month break were the Frontiers tour didn't though.

Down to 65 shows for ROR and 50 for his solo tour.

Did he actually do the 50 on his solo? it was cancelled early in the tour completely due to a "really bad throught infection". The first show cancelled, i believe was in Sunrise Florida .

[Don]

They did 105 shows on the Frontiers tour, a few less than the 118 they did on the Escape tour. The Escape tour did have a three month break were the Frontiers tour didn't though.

Down to 65 shows for ROR and 50 for his solo tour.

Did he actually do the 50 on his solo? it was cancelled early in the tour completely due to a "really bad throught infection". The first show cancelled, i believe was in Sunrise Florida .

I thought the tour went from 75 to 50 because of cancels. If I get really motivated later, I'll try to verify but Perry's solo career isn't something I ever cared too much about so I may just leave the research for others.

[yulog]

They did 105 shows on the Frontiers tour, a few less than the 118 they did on the Escape tour. The Escape tour did have a three month break were the Frontiers tour didn't though.

Down to 65 shows for ROR and 50 for his solo tour.

Did he actually do the 50 on his solo? it was cancelled early in the tour completely due to a "really bad throught infection". The first show cancelled, i believe was in Sunrise Florida .

I thought the tour went from 75 to 50 because of cancels. If I get really motivated later, I'll try to verify but Perry's solo career isn't something I ever cared too much about so I may just leave the research for others.

The show was only about the 20th in, and i know for a fact it was cancelled because i went to it,I believe that tour may have been cancelled from what everyone has been saying. I remember the radio stations saying he was really sick and had to cancel the existing tour until he could get better and then he would reschedule, but it never happened as far as i can recall.

[Ehwmatt]

Perry sounds ok on the 94 recording, but he totally avoids a lot of his high notes at this show. Listen to Only the Young, he completely changes the melody lines (in a lot of the songs actually) to accommodate his diminished range. He doesn't even sing the right chorus harmony in Only the Young, he sings the lower one. He was doing that at the end of the 83 tour with Journey too- he changed his part in the Separate Ways chorus so that it was nearly one note throughout (which was not as recorded and just wrecked that great melody line). I don't have a guitar in front of me, but I think this show is tuned down a FULL step. Not a half step (as many bands do, but a FULL step). He also changes the melody of the Oh Sherrie chorus and sings a lower harmony on the last lines of the chorus. He didn't do that when he sang the song with Journey on the ROR tour.

Perry was/is(?) a great vocalist but to say this is a great recording of him is just ... incorrect. To me, while it's very entertaining- as Steve ALWAYS was- nobody could touch him as a front guy, but man, his voice here is truthfully a shadow of what it was. The YT recording is decent enough to hear how he's changed the melody lines and song keys to accommodate his lower range.

It's not as bad as Augeri's bad shows were because Perry ALWAYS had great pitch and tone live (SA didn't). Perry's one of (if not THE) most gifted rock singer during the rock era, but this performance clearly shows him at a diminished level.
The important thing to note is that the audience could care less. It'd be the same if he came out now and toured. The audience would just be glad to see him. But as a singer, it's really apparent that he was having some pretty severe problems here. For any joe blow out there, it'd be a great vocal performance. For Steve Perry, not so much. Still the best feel of any singer of that time, but he definitely had some issues going.

It's odd that at the beginning of the Frontiers tour- he was amazing live. Something happened during that tour that put him on the road to losing some of his voice. By the end of THAT tour, he was having difficulties and the band was playing everything way fast to help him out. And those issues stayed with him and apparently got worse for him by 94.

Does anyone have a list of the tour dates he did in 94? I'd be curious to see how the shows were laid out. (Days in a row, etc.)

I wouldn't say it's "odd" that he suddenly lost something on his voice. Jeremey can pinpoint the exact moment his voice blew out. Who knows, maybe something similar happened to SP? If not, my guess is overuse combined with not taking care of himself (won't touch the drug/booze rumors, let's just call it the trials and tribulations of the road) did him in and the most severe symptoms manifested quickly, but the actual decline was not as sudden as it seemed. It's like athletes--a lot of them seemingly get old overnight. You definitely see it in my 3 main sports--football, basketball, and tennis. It's amazing. But when you objectively go back and look at games/matches over the last couple years of their alleged primes, you can see the loss of a step there, the huff and puff here, and so on. I'll bet Perry's decline wasn't as sudden and drastic as it seems to be now if you were to really analyze his decline show-by-show and night-by-night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dofRGNCtUKI -- I assume these are the shows you're speculating being a full step down. Definitely not. Just half a step. Still frightening awful, in any case.

It's funny. I can pretty much hear right away to what extent a band is downtuned (and most bands I know of don't go below 1/2 step/Eb). But with Journey, I really have to check between a half or full step because it's so much more apparent when their music is downtuned than just about anyone else I can think of (from Leppard to Elton John and whoever else downtunes these days). I think that's a testament to how challenging and dependent on the full vocal range that this material really is.

On the keys, You're right. I have a pitch pipe on my phone, forgot. Yeah, it's only a half step on the 94 recording. I stand corrected. I may have confused it with the Bill Graham deal where they DID tune down a full step. Sorry about that.

It's all good. You're 4x the musician I am, so I'll consider my ear besting yours this time around a small victory

[Jeremey]

I wouldn't say it's "odd" that he suddenly lost something on his voice. Jeremey can pinpoint the exact moment his voice blew out. Who knows, maybe something similar happened to SP? If not, my guess is overuse combined with not taking care of himself (won't touch the drug/booze rumors, let's just call it the trials and tribulations of the road) did him in and the most severe symptoms manifested quickly, but the actual decline was not as sudden as it seemed. It's like athletes--a lot of them seemingly get old overnight. You definitely see it in my 3 main sports--football, basketball, and tennis. It's amazing. But when you objectively go back and look at games/matches over the last couple years of their alleged primes, you can see the loss of a step there, the huff and puff here, and so on. I'll bet Perry's decline wasn't as sudden and drastic as it seems to be now if you were to really analyze his decline show-by-show and night-by-night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dofRGNCtUKI -- I assume these are the shows you're speculating being a full step down. Definitely not. Just half a step. Still frighteningly awful, in any case.

It's funny. I can pretty much hear right away to what extent a band is downtuned (and most bands I know of don't go below 1/2 step/Eb). But with Journey, I really have to check between a half or full step because it's so much more apparent when their music is downtuned than just about anyone else I can think of (from Leppard to Elton John and whoever else downtunes these days). I think that's a testament to how challenging and dependent on the full vocal range that this material really is.

I just posted a long contribution to this discussion but in the end just decided to post it to its own thread:

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... 89#4654389

[annie89509]

Here is the FTLOSM tour schedule off the remastered album's liner notes. Looks like the concerts started in October '94 and played through March '95...pretty extensive with few days off. I believe this to be accurate as you can find most of these shows as bootlegs. ...certainly more than 20.



I have read that Steve did cancel a show here and there due to illness. But, I think he continued on to the March dates....then stopped altogether when he came down with bronchitis. It's been said his SM bandmates expected to continue the tour when Steve got well. But then came the news that Journey was re-uniting.