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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:10 am

Pacfanweb wrote:Imagine if Journey's in San Fran and they say "Arnel's going to take a quick breather folks, and we have a special surprise for you tonight: Steve Perry!" And Perry comes out and sings one song. Crowd would lose its collective mind. Rest of the show would be a letdown. And the media would go beserk for 6 months or so. Would NOT be good for Arnel.


It would only be a "letdown" if Perry sounded better than Arnel, which is unlikely. Neal's posts have always been semi-illiterate, I wouldn't put too much stock into anything he says. As for who is acting like the mature grown-up vs. a big fat baby, Perry threw the biggest hissy fit of all time on VH1 Behind the Music, whining about "cracking the stone", knowing fully well that he can't/won't support the band live. A grown up would've stepped aside long ago and told the band to continue. Same with Augeri resorting to lipping. Too many washed-up piggies getting fat at the trough.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby slucero » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:49 am

hey don't forget Neal was in on that lipping shit...

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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby tater1977 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:12 am

slucero wrote:hey don't forget Neal was in on that lipping shit...


but..but..but...remember..schon has Tinnitus and his in ear monitors, he turns them
way down..so he couldn't hear anything..so he didn't know what was going on... :roll:
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:37 am

slucero wrote:hey don't forget Neal was in on that lipping shit...


tater1977 wrote:
but..but..but...remember..schon has Tinnitus and his in ear monitors, he turns them
way down..so he couldn't hear anything..so he didn't know what was going on... :roll:


...AND Neal and Jon were also in on Ross and Smitty getting fired, AND the firing of Herbie, AND the complete wayward trajectory of this band ever since Perry decided on Elmo the robot as Frontiers cover art. Yup, guilty as sin all the way. To be honest, this band does not deserve what little is left of its fanbase. All the good-will built up from the Augeri era has been pissed away.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby DrFU » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:56 pm

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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby Kor'n » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:39 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Pacfanweb wrote:Imagine if Journey's in San Fran and they say "Arnel's going to take a quick breather folks, and we have a special surprise for you tonight: Steve Perry!" And Perry comes out and sings one song. Crowd would lose its collective mind. Rest of the show would be a letdown. And the media would go beserk for 6 months or so. Would NOT be good for Arnel.


It would only be a "letdown" if Perry sounded better than Arnel, which is unlikely. Neal's posts have always been semi-illiterate, I wouldn't put too much stock into anything he says. As for who is acting like the mature grown-up vs. a big fat baby, Perry threw the biggest hissy fit of all time on VH1 Behind the Music, whining about "cracking the stone", knowing fully well that he can't/won't support the band live. A grown up would've stepped aside long ago and told the band to continue. Same with Augeri resorting to lipping. Too many washed-up piggies getting fat at the trough.



Think people would be ecstatic having the real guy up front. Seems NS now is trying to cohabitate with anyone that may keep them in the spotlight - Santana, and who is that Jimmy Barnes... That's just what Steve Perry asked of them when saying "Don't crack the stone." Guitary helped start the band, and surely will be the one to destroy it. You would think they would be working with their mimic, "he can sing anything," just can't sell anything that has not already been sold.

None of the classic bands sound like they used to: Fleetwood, Eagles, Paul M. Black Sabbath, Aerosmith, Van Halen, but are making money that would take karaoke Journey over a 100 shows to make.

There is ZERO need for Steve Perry to help them destroy him and what he created with the band. It's not his fault their being incapable of creating anything that may be reproduced live for joyfully listening ears.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby Kor'n » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:58 pm

DrFU wrote:It's hell when you still love somebody and they are alright without you.


Their "whole worded ended the moment" Eclipse flopped, if that's "alright without you." Is that why guitary called Steve Perry "arrogant."...
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby DrFU » Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:31 am

Kor'n wrote:
DrFU wrote:It's hell when you still love somebody and they are alright without you.


Their "whole worded ended the moment" Eclipse flopped, if that's "alright without you." Is that why guitary called Steve Perry "arrogant."...


I meant it the other way around, thus the snark from Neal.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby slucero » Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:11 am

DrFU wrote:
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DrFU wrote:It's hell when you still love somebody and they are alright without you.


Their "whole worded ended the moment" Eclipse flopped, if that's "alright without you." Is that why guitary called Steve Perry "arrogant."...


I meant it the other way around, thus the snark from Neal.




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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby Pacfanweb » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:51 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Pacfanweb wrote:Imagine if Journey's in San Fran and they say "Arnel's going to take a quick breather folks, and we have a special surprise for you tonight: Steve Perry!" And Perry comes out and sings one song. Crowd would lose its collective mind. Rest of the show would be a letdown. And the media would go beserk for 6 months or so. Would NOT be good for Arnel.


It would only be a "letdown" if Perry sounded better than Arnel, which is unlikely. Neal's posts have always been semi-illiterate, I wouldn't put too much stock into anything he says. As for who is acting like the mature grown-up vs. a big fat baby, Perry threw the biggest hissy fit of all time on VH1 Behind the Music, whining about "cracking the stone", knowing fully well that he can't/won't support the band live. A grown up would've stepped aside long ago and told the band to continue. Same with Augeri resorting to lipping. Too many washed-up piggies getting fat at the trough.


Disagree.
All Perry would have to do is sound "decent"....and that'd be all she wrote. Now if he got out there and sounded like Jim Dandy, that'd be different, but nobody is going to care if Arnel's high note is higher than Perry's right now. I don't think anyone would expect Perry to still be just like the 80's Perry....all he needs to be able to do is sing the normal ranged stuff.

Does anyone doubt he can sing the verses to something like DSB just fine? "Just a small town girl"....if he can do that, game over. Doesn't need to be able to sing every note of "Lay it Down".
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby SF-Dano » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:54 am

Pacfanweb wrote:Disagree.
All Perry would have to do is sound "decent"....and that'd be all she wrote. Now if he got out there and sounded like Jim Dandy, that'd be different, but nobody is going to care if Arnel's high note is higher than Perry's right now. I don't think anyone would expect Perry to still be just like the 80's Perry....all he needs to be able to do is sing the normal ranged stuff.

Does anyone doubt he can sing the verses to something like DSB just fine? "Just a small town girl"....if he can do that, game over. Doesn't need to be able to sing every note of "Lay it Down".


The problem appears to be that "decent" isn't good enough/motivating enough for Perry himself.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:08 pm

Pacfanweb wrote:...all he needs to be able to do is sing the normal ranged stuff. Does anyone doubt he can sing the verses to something like DSB just fine? "Just a small town girl"....if he can do that, game over.


Yea, I doubt it. Anyone remember when he sang at the Dodgers game or whatever it was? The words "gargling glass shards" comes to mind. I'm sure he can warm up to sound decent. Can he tour? No.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby slucero » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:14 pm

Pacfanweb wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Pacfanweb wrote:Imagine if Journey's in San Fran and they say "Arnel's going to take a quick breather folks, and we have a special surprise for you tonight: Steve Perry!" And Perry comes out and sings one song. Crowd would lose its collective mind. Rest of the show would be a letdown. And the media would go beserk for 6 months or so. Would NOT be good for Arnel.


It would only be a "letdown" if Perry sounded better than Arnel, which is unlikely. Neal's posts have always been semi-illiterate, I wouldn't put too much stock into anything he says. As for who is acting like the mature grown-up vs. a big fat baby, Perry threw the biggest hissy fit of all time on VH1 Behind the Music, whining about "cracking the stone", knowing fully well that he can't/won't support the band live. A grown up would've stepped aside long ago and told the band to continue. Same with Augeri resorting to lipping. Too many washed-up piggies getting fat at the trough.


Disagree.
All Perry would have to do is sound "decent"....and that'd be all she wrote. Now if he got out there and sounded like Jim Dandy, that'd be different, but nobody is going to care if Arnel's high note is higher than Perry's right now. I don't think anyone would expect Perry to still be just like the 80's Perry....all he needs to be able to do is sing the normal ranged stuff.

Does anyone doubt he can sing the verses to something like DSB just fine? "Just a small town girl"....if he can do that, game over. Doesn't need to be able to sing every note of "Lay it Down".


Perry's legend is borne, not of the Loons, but on the ears of the lay fan, the Glee fan, the ones who only remember the DD, or at best the ballads.. and who have no idea what Perry looked like then or now... or what Lay It Down is..

Those fans would expect a Perry of the 80's, soaring notes an all..

If Perry wants his legend to remain... then he'll not sing those songs again if he can't sing them as he originally did. Even tuned down a 1/2 or whole step...

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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby Rick » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:32 pm

slucero wrote:
Pacfanweb wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:It would only be a "letdown" if Perry sounded better than Arnel, which is unlikely. Neal's posts have always been semi-illiterate, I wouldn't put too much stock into anything he says. As for who is acting like the mature grown-up vs. a big fat baby, Perry threw the biggest hissy fit of all time on VH1 Behind the Music, whining about "cracking the stone", knowing fully well that he can't/won't support the band live. A grown up would've stepped aside long ago and told the band to continue. Same with Augeri resorting to lipping. Too many washed-up piggies getting fat at the trough.


Disagree.
All Perry would have to do is sound "decent"....and that'd be all she wrote. Now if he got out there and sounded like Jim Dandy, that'd be different, but nobody is going to care if Arnel's high note is higher than Perry's right now. I don't think anyone would expect Perry to still be just like the 80's Perry....all he needs to be able to do is sing the normal ranged stuff.

Does anyone doubt he can sing the verses to something like DSB just fine? "Just a small town girl"....if he can do that, game over. Doesn't need to be able to sing every note of "Lay it Down".


Perry's legend is borne, not of the Loons, but on the ears of the lay fan, the Glee fan, the ones who only remember the DD, or at best the ballads.. and who have no idea what Perry looked like then or now... or what Lay It Down is..

Those fans would expect a Perry of the 80's, soaring notes an all..

If Perry wants his legend to remain... then he'll not sing those songs again if he can't sing them as he originally did. Even tuned down a 1/2 or whole step...


Perry's fans would eat it up, even if he can't sing like you've said. Most Journey fans would too. I think you're correct about the lay-fan though. The people that only know the music they've heard and nothing about the band itself.

However, if Perry went out on stage and told the audience that he's not sang with this band in x number of years and his voice isn't what it used to be, but I'm going to give it my best, I think the audience would eat it up.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby slucero » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:48 pm

I think folks like us would give him a pass...

the lay folks would go "wtf... I wanna hear him sing like the record"...

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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby Pacfanweb » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:29 pm

slucero wrote:I think folks like us would give him a pass...

the lay folks would go "wtf... I wanna hear him sing like the record"...

I don't think today's younger people would care that much.

After all, they to Britney Spears concerts and watch her lip synch.

They go to Katy Perry concerts and listen to her not sing on key. And look at her boobies...or at least I would.

They go to plenty of shows nowadays where a good portion of the vocals aren't live. Lady Gaga comes to mind.
She CAN sing...but doesn't always. She'll sing a verse, then the next verse she dances and you hear her on a recording.

Plenty of bands can't do it live now, because with all the Pro Tools editing, a good portion of their records aren't "live".

So to see the real Steve Perry stand up on stage and sing one song with Journey? I don't think they'd mind much.

Robert Plant hasn't had a high note in 30 years or more. Led Zeppelin could sell out the Grand Canyon if they wanted to.

Robin Zander's voice is bad now. People still go to see Cheap Trick.

David Lee Roth's voice is almost like nails on a chalk board....Van Halen still sells more tickets than Journey at a higher price. And they even managed to put out a really good album to boot.

Joe Elliot's voice is pretty bad now, as is David Coverdale's. (Coverdale's voice is totally gone)

They go to see Journey, and IMO Arnel just doesn't sound very good anymore. I think the drummer is a better singer.

But people still go. And they'd go to see Perry with or without Journey, too.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby Pacfanweb » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:05 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Pacfanweb wrote:...all he needs to be able to do is sing the normal ranged stuff. Does anyone doubt he can sing the verses to something like DSB just fine? "Just a small town girl"....if he can do that, game over.


Yea, I doubt it. Anyone remember when he sang at the Dodgers game or whatever it was? The words "gargling glass shards" comes to mind. I'm sure he can warm up to sound decent. Can he tour? No.

You mean the White Sox street parade? He was barely heard.

I heard him on David Pack's record, he sounded fine. Heard him serenading that chick on the red carpet, sounded fine.

I think he can still sing the main verses of most of the DD just fine. He may well need to duck the higher notes...and that's okay. Dude's in his 60's. Nobody who's a tenor can still hit all their note at that age. There is nobody whose voice hasn't changed.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby Pacfanweb » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:42 pm

What Perry needs to do, IMO, if he wants to just get back into the spotlight a little, but maybe not actually touring, is this:

Do what Garth Brooks did. Play in Vegas, 2 nights a week. Like Thursday and Saturday, or Friday and Sunday, something like that.

Hell, do one weekend a month. Whatever.

Do that, and then we'll see the bootlegs. We'll see what he's got left. And he will see just how much the fans miss him.

Whether that would lead to anything with Journey, I don't know...but if he has just a small itch to perform sometimes, that'd be the perfect place for it. He could do obviously some Journey songs, some of his solo stuff, and some older stuff that he likes....Sam Cooke, etc.

Either that or just put out a damned record and then we'll hear how he sounds now. I know the guy's admittedly critical of his own voice, but come on....either release something, play a few concerts, or shut the hell up about how you're "in the studio recording". Make a damn decision.

This is why bands usually suck or can't get anything done after they either fire their first manager they made them successful and they take over themselves, or finish their contract with the record company that they became big with, or get rid of a band member (usually a singer) who is a driving force, or a leader of the band.

Once the non-decision makers are in charge and making the decisions, that's usually when they quit being productive.

Perry was an elite level singer, and he and Cain were an elite songwriting team, but as history has shown, they haven't done crap without that manager having some control and pushing them. Now you see it with Perry...he can't stay focused on anything. He's been working on new music for how many years now? And the rest of Journey...they really are just a cover band now. There's really no other way to describe it.

Off topic a bit, but that's how it is with these creative types. Absolutely fantastic at what they do....usually terrible at anything else.

Look at Van Halen...poor Eddie couldn't stand Roth. Roth was the driving force. The undisputed leader. Eddie hated that. Finally gets rid of him. Sammy comes in. Natural leader, but less of an ass. They get along for ten years or so...then Eddie is wanting more and more control, finally fires Sammy. Then....Gary? Then...nothing. For years and years. They have no record contract, no singer, so nothing gets done.

Styx...Dennis DeYoung is undisputed leader. Driving force behind all their albums that did anything. Bit of a dick, I'm sure.
So, long story short, opportunity arises, Tommy and JY make the split. And Styx has done what? Crap for records, and constantly tour the hell out of the same show for about what? 15 years now? Meanwhile Dennis has worked continually, done all sorts of shows, musicals, etc., gone Platinum in Canada, had all sorts of exposure. In short, he's been much more successful than the rest of Styx. But that's what happens when the worker bees get control.

Guns n Roses. Axl Rose killed that band. He wanted control...he finally got it. Then what? 10 years to put out an album that sucked? And it was everybody else's fault but his. Now all they do is tour some. Just trading on the name, with a cover band and Axl.

And it goes on and on. When these people get enough money that nobody can tell them what to do, that's usually when they start going downhill.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby StoneCold » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:11 pm

Pacfanweb wrote:
Robin Zander's voice is bad now. People still go to see Cheap Trick.


They go to see Journey, and IMO Arnel just doesn't sound very good anymore. I think the drummer is a better singer.

But people still go. And they'd go to see Perry with or without Journey, too.



I agree with most of what you wrote but I wouldn't say Zander's voice is bad. He's one of the few that still sounds pretty good.

I do like Castronovo's voice on the couple tracks from Generations.


Zander sounds pretty good on this acoustic

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR_WhpHjLbs

this one as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOchOHuAqIQ
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby Aaron » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:08 pm

I seen Zander a couple of years ago. I thought he sounded great and they played in the original key. When I think of singers from the 80's that sound great now, Zander and Mike Reno come to mind. I was blown away by Reno last year, he hasn't lost anything.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:33 pm

Yup. Reno is extremely underrated.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby Pacfanweb » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:53 pm

Aaron wrote:I seen Zander a couple of years ago. I thought he sounded great and they played in the original key. When I think of singers from the 80's that sound great now, Zander and Mike Reno come to mind. I was blown away by Reno last year, he hasn't lost anything.

I've seen Cheap Trick a few times in the last ten or so years, but it's been a few since the last one. I did see them on some live video from the last year or two where I thought Zander's voice had gotten noticeably worse. Might have just been off-nights, too.

that video liked above is a pretty low-ranged song for him. Look at a few performances of Tonight It's You from the last year or two and see if you still feel the same.

I agree about Reno...he's still got most of his voice. Too bad he can't stay away from the buffet. Dude is huge. Lost some weight then apparently gained it all back.
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby AR » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:52 am

Always amused at yet another Perry thread. You have a better chance at being there for the second coming of Christ. :lol:
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Re: Perry addresses Journey rumors (and sings!)

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:21 am

Pacfanweb wrote: I agree about Reno...he's still got most of his voice. Too bad he can't stay away from the buffet. Dude is huge. Lost some weight then apparently gained it all back.


Could be medical. Reno has held up very well over the years. Eddie Money, Stephen Pearcy from Ratt, and Meat Loaf are prolly the top 3 worst performers out there today.
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