OT: Soul Sirkus

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:00 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:
Monker, what did Schon receive a grammy for? Curious.

As I mentioned in my post above yours, Neal received a Grammy nomination for his solo album, "Voice".

by **Monker** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:13 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:
Monker, what did Schon receive a grammy for? Curious.

As I mentioned in my post above yours, Neal received a Grammy nomination for his solo album, "Voice".

This is correct...he was nominated but I don't think he won.

by **Rockindeano** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:57 am

Grammy or not, I still think it's bullshit Neal and greg didn't get into the HOF with Santana.....

by **Gaffguitars** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:55 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Grammy or not, I still think it's bullshit Neal and greg didn't get into the HOF with Santana.....

Gregg got in as a founding member of Santana. Neal did not. I guess Carlos didn't want to get blown off the stage that night.

Journey, Bad English, Schon/Hammer, Bad English, Paul Rodgers, Hardline, HSAS, Soul SirkUs, Santana, I mean that's a pretty impressive history. Yeah he'll be remembered more for Journey than anything else, so what. He still rules.

by **perryfaithful** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:57 am

Come on......a SMALL (but devoted) group that knows Neal Schon outside of Journey. And I say that as a fan of Neal, but that does not mean I need EVERYONE to be a fan. I am realistic about his impact on the world

by **yak** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:18 pm

perryfaithful wrote:Come on......a SMALL (but devoted) group that knows Neal Schon outside of Journey.

Fans of Neal's musical genre definitely DO know Neal and ALL of his work, not just his Journey stuff, even though he has been with Journey the longest and is a founding member of the band. Neal's talent is recognized by his peers, always an important factor in the equation. That group is not as small as you would like people to think.

perryfaithful wrote:And I say that as a fan of Neal,

HUH??? Since when are you a fan of Neal's :?: :shock:

by **perryfaithful** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:05 am

yak wrote:
perryfaithful wrote:Come on......a SMALL (but devoted) group that knows Neal Schon outside of Journey.

Fans of Neal's musical genre definitely DO know Neal and ALL of his work, not just his Journey stuff, even though he has been with Journey the longest and is a founding member of the band. Neal's talent is recognized by his peers, always an important factor in the equation. That group is not as small as you would like people to think.

perryfaithful wrote:And I say that as a fan of Neal,

HUH??? Since when are you a fan of Neal's :?:

What? You don;t think a fan of Perry's can be a fan of Neals also? How narrow minded and ridiculous

And being a fan does not mean condoning everything he does either!

by **JourneyTroll** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:24 am

yak wrote:
perryfaithful wrote:Come on......a SMALL (but devoted) group that knows Neal Schon outside of Journey.

Fans of Neal's musical genre definitely DO know Neal and ALL of his work, not just his Journey stuff, even though he has been with Journey the longest and is a founding member of the band. Neal's talent is recognized by his peers, always an important factor in the equation. That group is not as small as you would like people to think.

perryfaithful wrote:And I say that as a fan of Neal,

HUH??? Since when are you a fan of Neal's :?:

Christopher, will you be designing Journey's new album cover?

Journeytroll

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:23 am

[color=darkred]What? You don;t think a fan of Perry's can be a fan of Neals also? How narrow minded and ridiculous

Hey, do I sense a little movement to the "middle" PF?? I knew you were ok....

by **perryfaithful** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:42 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:[color=darkred]What? You don;t think a fan of Perry's can be a fan of Neals also? How narrow minded and ridiculous

Hey, do I sense a little movement to the "middle" PF?? I knew you were ok....

....have not "moved" anywhere Rock...where I have always been but some of the group here is so busy running around with their fists up looking for trouble that they don't REALLY KNOW where others are coming from and do not care.

Back to work yet Rockn??

by **LAWoman** » Sun May 01, 2005 2:58 pm

perryfaithful wrote:Come on......a SMALL (but devoted) group that knows Neal Schon outside of Journey. And I say that as a fan of Neal, but that does not mean I need EVERYONE to be a fan. I am realistic about his impact on the world

You will notice that other legendary guitarists are fans of Neal Schon. When Eric Clapton was planning his Crossroads festival he wrote down a short list of the artists he most wanted to hear and then he asked them to play at Crossroads. Neal was on the list. I think Clapton knows a great guitarist when he hears one.

by **Monker** » Mon May 02, 2005 2:19 am

perryfaithful wrote:And being a fan does not mean condoning everything he does either!
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The words and actions of many Perry fans seem to contradict the above statement.

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon May 02, 2005 2:34 am

I, as a Perry Fan, have nothing to criticize him for.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon May 02, 2005 5:17 am

heardonthestreet wrote:I, as a Perry Fan, have nothing to criticize him for.

Of course you don't.
You're brainwashed.

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon May 02, 2005 6:23 am

Really? And just who would you say has brainwashed me?

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon May 02, 2005 8:18 am

heardonthestreet wrote:Really? And just who would you say has brainwashed me?

The same aliens that abducted Steve Perry and replaced him with an indolent clone husk back in 1986.

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon May 02, 2005 9:17 am

Eat you heart out N.C. Your bitterness has eaten away the better part of your brain. It's all the way you've been brainwashed into seeing it and you keep bawling about how you think someone should have lived his life but guess what? It's his life to live and I respect what he's accomplished. What have you accomplished that you feel you can be critical of a famous rock star?

"Indolent clone husk"............................OMG, what horrific nerve you have.

by **jrnyman28** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:38 am

heardonthestreet wrote: It's his life to live and I respect what he's accomplished. What have you accomplished that you feel you can be critical of a famous rock star?

You should try using that same attitude with everyone. Many Perry-only fans follow this belief for Perry but not for Neal, Steve, Jon, etc. It should go both ways...

by **yak** » Mon May 02, 2005 11:30 am

JourneyTroll wrote:Christopher, will you be designing Journey's new album cover?
Journeytroll

And who is Christopher, you twit :?:

My name is not Christopher. Such unmitigated gall to call me someone I am not.

Time to go get a life, Reardon! HIGH time! :roll:

perryfaithful wrote:What? You don;t think a fan of Perry's can be a fan of Neals also? How narrow minded and ridiculous

You just say that because I DON'T agree with you and never will. Do you go through life calling people names who don't agree with your lopsided philosophies? :shock:

There's a shocker. :shock:

You are the one who can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to Journey continuing on without your good ole boy. You are, in fact, the one who actually IS narrow minded and ridiculous. :lol:

by **Monker** » Mon May 02, 2005 11:47 pm

I, as a Perry Fan, have nothing to criticize him for.

He fired Smith and Valory.
He cut the ROR tour short.
He cut his own FTLOSM tour short.

He refused to add vocals to the 'new' instrumental songs on the box set.

He refused to perform at the Herbie roast, even though almost every other Journey member in history was there.

After the radio tour for TBF, Journey vanished for no apparent reason. It was only when Jonathan and Neal talked about Perry's hip and health that we knew WHY the TBF tour was canceled...Perry should have done it.

His voice started changing for the worse after Escape, some people say they can hear it after Departure. His concert performances during ROR and then FTLOSM and the Bill Graham tribute are almost painfull to listen to when you realize how pure and clear and full of range it was in the early days.

There are PLENTY of things for you to critique Steve Perry for. You don't because you would rather critique 'the other side' and keep your version of Perry's personna untarnished.

by **heardonthestreet** » Tue May 03, 2005 12:56 am

Oh Monker! Get real! You were there?

I repeat! I have nothing to criticize Perry for. On the contrary, I praise his contribution to Classic Rock. I love ROR and it wouldn't be what it is if it happened any other way. I loved all the changes in his voice and one of his last recorded songs, WYLAW, has the best that his voice had to offer, imo.

You see it your way and I see it mine and I have nothing to complain about.
I could go into detail on how I read the ending of the tours of ROF, FTLOSM and TBF, but we've all posted on this before, many times, and we have to go with how we view it and enjoy the music the way we perceive it. I can only pity you for finding so much fault with so much of Journey's past history and that you feel that Perry's voice wasn't up to par for you. I am truly glad that you have Augeri to make up for it. You take Augeri! I'll take Perry.

by **Rockindeano** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:04 am

PLEASE...Stop now... No more. DELETE this before it goes Nuclear...

by **Monker** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:23 am

I can only pity you for finding so much fault with so much of Journey's past history and that you feel that Perry's voice wasn't up to par for you.

And, I pity you for living in a world so full of fantasy that you cannot percieve how you criticize EVERYTHING Journey now does but fail to see any of the many faults of Steve Perry. You condone his actions, you accept excuse after excuse without question. You view him as someone without fault, when in reality he has as many faults as any other member of Journey...But, for you, it is better to critique Neal and Jonathan then to even think of looking at Perry with a critical eyel.

by **heardonthestreet** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:45 am

O.K. Deano! As long as you said, "please." I'll quit while I'm ahead.

Over and out! :lol:

by **jrnyman28** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:50 am

heardonthestreet wrote:Oh Monker! Get real! You were there?

You don't have to be there to have heard and seen what happened. There is plenty of footage and fact to support everything Monker has mentioned.

heardonthestreet wrote:I repeat! I have nothing to criticize Perry for.

You do, you simply choose not to.

heardonthestreet wrote:On the contrary, I praise his contribution to Classic Rock.

So do most of "us".

heardonthestreet wrote:I love ROR and it wouldn't be what it is if it happened any other way.

It might have been better! I do not mind what Randy brought to the songs, I am not sure Ross would have been able to do that. But the percussion was absolutely boring on the songs Smitty did not participate on. And I think you would have had a better CD if the band were happy...they clearly were not.

heardonthestreet wrote:I loved all the changes in his voice and one of his last recorded songs, WYLAW, has the best that his voice had to offer, imo.

You cannot deny the change in Perry's voice, and his ability to sing like he 'used to'. But that is OK, he certainly adapted with the change. I agree that he used his voice beautifully. But if you truly loved his voice in the early days (which is what he was known for), then you have a reason to complain if you choose to.

One question, and I am not sure it could be answered honestly, Do you think Journey would have made as big a splash if Perry always sang like he did on TBF and the FTLOSM tour? Personally, as much as I love what Perry has done with the changes, I think Journey would have been looked at as an average band if Perry had never had that 'stratosphere vocal'.

heardonthestreet wrote:I can only pity you for finding so much fault with so much of Journey's past history and that you feel that Perry's voice wasn't up to par for you.

Why would you pity anyone?! That is ridiculous! We all have the right to see and hear things the way we want to. And just because someone can objectively look at the history of a band does not make them any less of a fan. I find it amazing that you can honestly say there was 'nothing wrong with Perry's voice' during FTLOSM! I had a GREAT time at the show, I loved the performance and the music. I also knew it would probably be my last, best chance to see Perry sing. But really, it was obvious that Perry was not at the same level he once was. He certainly made the best of it...but it was not 'up to the par he set'.

IMO, using 'pity' was an inflammatory remark designed to create conflict...

by **jrnyman28** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:54 am

Monker wrote:you cannot percieve how you criticize EVERYTHING Journey now does but fail to see any of the many faults of Steve Perry. You condone his actions, you accept excuse after excuse without question. You view him as someone without fault, when in reality he has as many faults as any other member of Journey...But, for you, it is better to critique Neal and Jonathan then to even think of looking at Perry with a critical eyel.

I think that is the major difference here...many JOURNEY fans can criticize Perry AND Journey while continuing to support them. MOST Journey fans are not blind followers...but there certainly are a few. I have gotten into many heated discussions with them too. But, to me, it is about objectivity. In fact, I am probably MORE critical of Journey because they ARE my favorite band.

by **jrnyman28** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:54 am

heardonthestreet wrote:O.K. Deano! As long as you said, "please." I'll quit while I'm ahead.

Over and out!

Ahead??? I am not so sure about that....

MR

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