Unity of Differences

[ohsherrie]

There is one phenomenon that I’ve noticed in this last abominable deed of Journey’s that I’ve never witnessed before. This is the first time since 1998 that fans from every category have agreed on anything regarding Journey. Most all of us agree that this was totally unprofessional and uncalled for. There are varying degrees of outrage though depending on the fan category that you belong to.

The most outraged are of course Jeff’s longtime fans and his personal friends. That’s to be expected and respected. They no longer have any reason to be Journey fans and have every reason to hate Journey altogether.

There would also be those who became Journey fans after seeing Jeff with Journey during last summer’s tour. They were Def Leppard fans who only became Journey fans because of the shows with Jeff. They have every right to be angry and no reason to care what comes of Journey now.

Next, I would think, would be the people (like myself) who thought there would be no more Journey after Perry was gone and found that we were wrong when Jeff came onboard. Damn it was great to have Journey back for us again. We’re very angry, but we’ve felt this same thing before. This is the second time F&F have done us wrong so the blow wasn’t quite as unexpected and the pain isn’t quite as sharp. We’re still damned outraged though. (I’ll never forget that hug and kiss on the cheek from Jeff Scott Soto)

Then there is the catagory of Perryonly fans and they don't really care about what's happening now anyway. Well, except that they can say, well another one down and another one down and another one bites the dust.

The fans that came onboard during the Augeri era are a little hard for me to read. I don’t know that many personally so I really have nothing to base an analysis on. I would say, just as a guess, that they would think this obviously rash and unjustified action on F&F’s part could mean to them that the action against Augeri was just as rash and unjustified.

The next category that comes to mind is those who are fans because of Neal. There are really two subcategories here. The first being those who were also fans of JSS and the second who don’t really care who sings because it’s all about the guitar for them. The ones who were also fans of JSS are feeling really angry about what they did to Jeff, but it’s still really about the guitar for them so they’ll get over it. The ones who only care about the guitar are saying, wow they shouldn’t have done that >>> NEXT!

I suppose there would also be a category of those who never really thought JSS was right for Journey, but came onboard simply because they were Journey fans.

OK now, in the instance at hand this time there is another variable to be thrown into the mix. Jeremey.

This is the first time that the possible replacement has been someone that most of us know. Some of us not only know him from being on Journey messageboards with him for 6 or 7 years, but also from his shows with Frontiers. A few of us have had the opportunity to meet and get to know him and his sweet, lovely wife Sabrina. How the possibility of his being the next frontman for Journey affects us depends on variables ranging from our category of Journey fandom to our category of Frontiers/Jeremey fandom.

To sum this dissertation up, we all have different feelings about what’s happening right now. We all have different reasons for our different feelings.

If I and a lot of my fellow Perry fans had completely given up on Journey after they left Perry behind, Jeff would be missing several new fans that will follow him for the rest of his career.

It can’t hurt to give the new frontman a try.

[Perrylover]

Excellent post Sherrie! I'm not sure where I fall in your analysis, but it is a good one. I was a Perry only fan, though I never got to see him live. I did see my first Journey show on the Under the Radar tour, and while I did enjoy the show, it just didn't feel like I thought it would feel. I thought they were wrong in the way things were handled with both Steve's, but I tried not to be judgemental because even with all of the info we see and hear online, unless you are a core part of the operation you can never know all the "truths" in any of the situations. I never saw them with Jeff, and had never heard of him before he joined Journey. Although he seems like a nice guy and a good singer, the clips I have seen I just didn't feel he was a good fit for Journey. Now, my feelings about Jeremey run pretty deep, I first met him and Sabrina in January of 2003 when I did an interview with Frontiers. Our friendship has continued to grow over the years and I consider them as part of my family now. Of course this means that if Jeremey is offered this position and he decides he would like to give it a go, I would be thrilled for him and will do everything I can to support him, just as I have with Frontiers. Although what I have seen on the surface seems despicable, I will not allow myself to denigrate and bash another human being based on information I read online. Even when it comes from people who have "inside knowlege" because of their ties with a member or members of the organization. Even that info is only one side of the story and we all know that all stories have 3 sides, my side, your side, and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

Thanks Sherrie for you insight.

Deb

[Rhiannon]

we all know that all stories have 3 sides, my side, your side, and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

That is an amazing quote. So true.

[larryfromnextdoor]

we all know that all stories have 3 sides, my side, your side, and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

That is an amazing quote. So true.

don henley..

[Perrylover]

we all know that all stories have 3 sides, my side, your side, and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

That is an amazing quote. So true.

don henley..

Thanks Larry, I never knew who said it, it's just something I always heard all through the years.

Deb

[larryfromnextdoor]

we all know that all stories have 3 sides, my side, your side, and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

That is an amazing quote. So true.

don henley..

Thanks Larry, I never knew who said it, it's just something I always heard all through the years.

Deb

dont know who said it, but he sung it once,, btw.. happiness is lubbock texas in your rear view mirrow...

[Rhiannon]

dont know who said it, but he sung it once,, btw.. happiness is lubbock texas in your rear view mirrow...

He also sang once "We all know that crap is king."

[FormerJrnyFan]

we all know that all stories have 3 sides, my side, your side, and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

That is an amazing quote. So true.

don henley..

Thanks Larry, I never knew who said it, it's just something I always heard all through the years.

Deb

dont know who said it, but he sung it once,, btw.. happiness is lubbock texas in your rear view mirrow...

[nolippin]

Long Way Home "three sides to every story, baby, yours, mine and the cold hard truth".

we all know that all stories have 3 sides, my side, your side, and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

That is an amazing quote. So true.

don henley..

[larryfromnextdoor]

Long Way Home "three sides to every story, baby, yours, mine and the cold hard truth".

we all know that all stories have 3 sides, my side, your side, and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

That is an amazing quote. So true.

don henley..

nailed it,,

[7 Wishes]

I LOVE the way Don holds that "ooooh" at the end of "Long Way Home". That man's voice could melt polar icecaps. I just wish he'd been more prolific over the years. His last record was just as great as his solo debut. I know he's been fighting like crazy to get the new Eagles album out.

Ohsherrie, this is the most intelligent post I've read in a long time. I've been lucky enough to have seen Steve a half dozen times in the 80's...nothing else in my life will ever compare. Sure, I'm PISSED OFF AS HELL at Fro and Friga right now, and nothing can ever justify what they did to JSS, but I'm a Journey ho in the end...it was always about the complete band, not a parciular dynanmic thereof. I'll be there, as close to front row and center as possible, once they settle on a new vocalist...and I know Jeremey is the best candidate for the job. He should have gotten it in '98.

[Rockindeano]

Fuck you Sherrie.

You are so full of shit, it isn't funny.

[msmercury01]

"I am going to invent a tool...a special tool, that pry's your lips off of Jeffs pole.
Seriously, there are other things in life besides fuckin Jeff Scott Soto ~ RockinDeano"


Damn, that's funny.

[ArnelRox]

It can’t hurt to give the new frontman a try.

Sherrie, if this had been handled differently, I'd be the first person trying to get a front row ticket. Unfortunately, trying Jeremey or anyone else means that I also have to watch Friga & Fro as well. That's more than I can do. However, if those assholes get fired/replaced, ask me again.

[tammy]

I most probably will not be seeing yet another lead singer in place...I feel quite different about this JRNY now. Weirdly, I came across this poem tonight while browsing an artisan's website.

Written by Naomi Shihab Nye

COME WITH ME

A journey can lead
east and west, from
north to south, up, down,
over, under, in between,
and next to.
A journey can last
a minute, an hour, a year,
a month, a lifetime.
A journey might be slow
or fast or both.
A journey might be shining.
One journey could remind you
of another one.
Are you sliding?
Stumbling? Floating?
Maybe it all depends
on your point of view.

[styxman]

Congratulations OS....when did you become Jeremey's PA

You know, I'm not going to be a part of this but in all fairness it was a well executed post.....I wish you and all the others good luck in your pursuit of happiness.

I'd much prefer to munch on a Wendy's in tranquility and reflection than have New Journey blast their drivel in the Mall.

Awaiting the return of Perry as a solo artist, launch sequence activated and just waiting for the weather to clear.....he will commeth and he will restore light to this dark place, ONE DAY soon

No hard feelings...I await with baited breath, the inevitable announcement

[Rhiannon]

Awaiting the return of Perry as a solo artist, launch sequence activated and just waiting for the weather to clear.....he will commeth and he will restore light to this dark place, ONE DAY soon

Preach on!
I think many others carry that same baited breath.

[rdekker]

Well what can I say about this post, I can't tell you if it was unprofessional or not until we know what happened, noone knows, even if some people think they do and start blogs about it. JSS said he would comment but he hasn's so far, each day that passes and he still doesn't comment gives me a feeling that there's more to it than that Neal and Jon fired him without a reason.

Let's wait until people involved give their statements before making stupid comments and burning the band down.

[ArnelRox]

Well what can I say about this post, I can't tell you if it was unprofessional or not until we know what happened, noone knows, even if some people think they do and start blogs about it. JSS said he would comment but he hasn's so far, each day that passes and he still doesn't comment gives me a feeling that there's more to it than that Neal and Jon fired him without a reason.

Let's wait until people involved give their statements before making stupid comments and burning the band down.

Yeah maybe Peter Noone does know!

Did u read what Uncle Hefty said? He's Jeff's tour manager. Take a look at his comments. If that ain't the horse's mouth, I don't know what is. Do u suppose there's a reason Jeff hasn't released a press release himself yet? He has commented. Read between the lines. Otherwise ur comments look a lot more stupid than u realize. Read Deano's blog. U might find some trth there.

BTW, here's a pic of him & Jeff taken in FL this yr eating dinner.

[Rhiannon]

Well what can I say about this post, I can't tell you if it was unprofessional or not until we know what happened, noone knows, even if some people think they do and start blogs about it. JSS said he would comment but he hasn's so far, each day that passes and he still doesn't comment gives me a feeling that there's more to it than that Neal and Jon fired him without a reason.

Let's wait until people involved give their statements before making stupid comments and burning the band down.

Yeah maybe Peter Noone does know!

Did u read what Uncle Hefty said? He's Jeff's tour manager. Take a look at his comments. If that ain't the horse's mouth, I don't know what is. Do u suppose there's a reason Jeff hasn't released a press release himself yet? He has commented. Read between the lines. Otherwise ur comments look a lot more stupid than u realize. Read Deano's blog. U might find some trth there.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I didn't want to be the first to touch that since I'm sleep deprived and would most certainly not put words together well.

You rock. I can count on you to say the intelligent things.

[Ratgirl]

BTW, here's a pic of him & Jeff taken in FL this yr eating dinner.

Hey.. that picture looks familiar.

[Little Lenny]

Well what can I say about this post, I can't tell you if it was unprofessional or not until we know what happened, noone knows, even if some people think they do and start blogs about it. JSS said he would comment but he hasn's so far, each day that passes and he still doesn't comment gives me a feeling that there's more to it than that Neal and Jon fired him without a reason.

Let's wait until people involved give their statements before making stupid comments and burning the band down.

Read uncleHEFty's post on the reality re soto, I think that will give you an insight.

[rdekker]

Well what can I say about this post, I can't tell you if it was unprofessional or not until we know what happened, noone knows, even if some people think they do and start blogs about it. JSS said he would comment but he hasn's so far, each day that passes and he still doesn't comment gives me a feeling that there's more to it than that Neal and Jon fired him without a reason.

Let's wait until people involved give their statements before making stupid comments and burning the band down.

Read uncleHEFty's post on the reality re soto, I think that will give you an insight.

Like I said, I'm waiting for official statements before I will judge any of the parties, I love both parties so i'm not very eager to take sides here.

[Little Lenny]

Well what can I say about this post, I can't tell you if it was unprofessional or not until we know what happened, noone knows, even if some people think they do and start blogs about it. JSS said he would comment but he hasn's so far, each day that passes and he still doesn't comment gives me a feeling that there's more to it than that Neal and Jon fired him without a reason.

Let's wait until people involved give their statements before making stupid comments and burning the band down.

Read uncleHEFty's post on the reality re soto, I think that will give you an insight.

Like I said, I'm waiting for official statements before I will judge any of the parties, I love both parties so i'm not very eager to take sides here.

That's ok I think basically what people are doing is just getting over the shock of it all, it was a bit of a bolt out of the blue. Some people are more emotional than others, thats all.

[rdekker]

Well what can I say about this post, I can't tell you if it was unprofessional or not until we know what happened, noone knows, even if some people think they do and start blogs about it. JSS said he would comment but he hasn's so far, each day that passes and he still doesn't comment gives me a feeling that there's more to it than that Neal and Jon fired him without a reason.

Let's wait until people involved give their statements before making stupid comments and burning the band down.

Read uncleHEFty's post on the reality re soto, I think that will give you an insight.

According to you're so called UncleHefty JSS wasn't gicven any notice, according to a certain blog Neal told JSS before he left for Europe ? Which am I to believe.. like I said... again.. until we hear more from the directly involved I am not going to judge or believe any of these rumours.

[Little Lenny]

Well what can I say about this post, I can't tell you if it was unprofessional or not until we know what happened, noone knows, even if some people think they do and start blogs about it. JSS said he would comment but he hasn's so far, each day that passes and he still doesn't comment gives me a feeling that there's more to it than that Neal and Jon fired him without a reason.

Let's wait until people involved give their statements before making stupid comments and burning the band down.

Read uncleHEFty's post on the reality re soto, I think that will give you an insight.

According to you're so called UncleHefty JSS wasn't gicven any notice, according to a certain blog Neal told JSS before he left for Europe ? Which am I to believe.. like I said... again.. until we hear more from the directly involved I am not going to judge or believe any of these rumours.

I think you will find UncleHEFty does/did have some kind of involvement, which is why I said it might give you an insight, thats all.

[ArnelRox]

You rock. I can count on you to say the intelligent things.

Somehow that's scary. Anyway I'll be gone for the next 1-2 wks so my friend, get on it

[ArnelRox]

Like I said, I'm waiting for official statements before I will judge any of the parties, I love both parties so i'm not very eager to take sides here.

So u wait for "official" statements. Well that one is over at JourneyMusic.com right now. Have fun finding it buried under all the Sopranos stuff. BTW, Jeff wasnt involved in that.

U know, sometimes u have to read between the lines. Otherwise u know nothing except what the band chooses.

[joybringer1]

(Greetings right back to you Little Lenny - ARfm rules!!)

That was a really well thought out and statesmanlik post from Oh Sherrie, I thought. Until it got to the last sentence about Jeremey. I really feel for the guy as he has a fabulous voice and seems really nice from his posts. And I can't say hand on heart what I would do in his shoes - and I just thank God I'm not. But for myself, I'm firmly in the "the Journey has ended" camp and I'd like nothing better than to see them play to empty houses and their career turn to dust. I don't call that vindictive either, I call it Karma - getting no more than they deserve.

[Little Lenny]

Like I said, I'm waiting for official statements before I will judge any of the parties, I love both parties so i'm not very eager to take sides here.

So u wait for "official" statements. Well that one is over at JourneyMusic.com right now. Have fun finding it buried under all the Sopranos stuff. BTW, Jeff wasnt involved in that.

U know, sometimes u have to read between the lines. Otherwise u know nothing except what the band chooses.

I think you definitly have to read between the lines in this intstance. Because the lines fans have been given don't sort of read right.