Arnel Pineda

[Tango]

Arnel's voice sounded like they went to 11 on the reverb dial -- I mean, I almost had to dry my speakers after playing that stuff! Seriously, his voice doesn't even sound real -- it's like a perfect match to Studio Steve Perry (as opposed to Live Steve Perry). Scary good.

I've got a good friend from the Philippines -- he says that Journey and Richard Marx are absolutely huge there, and almost every family has a karaoke machine. Singing is there what eating is in the U.S.

Is there more hidden singing talent from the Philippines that A&R reps are just oblivious to?

Tango

[Rockindeano]

Arnel's voice sounded like they went to 11 on the reverb dial -- I mean, I almost had to dry my speakers after playing that stuff! Seriously, his voice doesn't even sound real -- it's like a perfect match to Studio Steve Perry (as opposed to Live Steve Perry). Scary good.

I've got a good friend from the Philippines -- he says that Journey and Richard Marx are absolutely huge there, and almost every family has a karaoke machine. Singing is there what eating is in the U.S.

Is there more hidden singing talent from the Philippines that A&R reps are just oblivious to?

Tango

Moron, calm down. Arnel is a great singer, but are you really so stupid to talk about anyone being comparable to Steve Perry? Dude, you are going to have a tough time here, mainly because I will haunt your sorry stupid ass.

[ScarabGator]

Arnel's voice sounded like they went to 11 on the reverb dial -- I mean, I almost had to dry my speakers after playing that stuff! Seriously, his voice doesn't even sound real -- it's like a perfect match to Studio Steve Perry (as opposed to Live Steve Perry). Scary good.

I've got a good friend from the Philippines -- he says that Journey and Richard Marx are absolutely huge there, and almost every family has a karaoke machine. Singing is there what eating is in the U.S.

Is there more hidden singing talent from the Philippines that A&R reps are just oblivious to?

Tango

I dont know about more Phillipino talent but Arnel certainly is a one of a kind find. There will never be another Steve Perry but give Arnel his due, he will create his own legacy.

[Peterik]

i have been listening to arnel`s covers from some months ago i always tought he was a great singer

just take a look at him singin "Ever since the world began" its awesome

[STORY_TELLER]

Arnel's voice sounded like they went to 11 on the reverb dial -- I mean, I almost had to dry my speakers after playing that stuff! Seriously, his voice doesn't even sound real -- it's like a perfect match to Studio Steve Perry (as opposed to Live Steve Perry). Scary good.

I've got a good friend from the Philippines -- he says that Journey and Richard Marx are absolutely huge there, and almost every family has a karaoke machine. Singing is there what eating is in the U.S.

Is there more hidden singing talent from the Philippines that A&R reps are just oblivious to?

Tango

I dont know about more Phillipino talent but Arnel certainly is a one of a kind find. There will never be another Steve Perry but give Arnel his due, he will create his own legacy.

Geez... Scarab, seriously, there will be no "legacy" for Arnel even if he was better than Perry (which he's not). Melodic rock is over dude. The main stream doesn't care about it anymore. Journey is in their golden years of retirement. Only the diehard fans will purchase their new music. They won't make a dent in radio play and unless the Walmart deal is a direct sales deal (that is, where Walmart purchases the quantity in bulk from their own pocket and has to eat what it doesn't sell) I doubt Journey's new disk will outsell Arrival.

Journey's place in history began and ended with Steve Perry. He was not only the voice, but a very large part of the song writing and melody creation. The collaboration between Neal, Cain and/or Rollie with Perry is what yielded the songs which are now a part of rock and roll history, but it's over because that style of music is over. This happens every generation. Popular music cycles every 10 years on average. Sinatra had his time. Elvis had his time. The Beatles had their time. Melodic rock in general had its time, but now it's over.

Arnel will tour the hits and will continue to make new music with Journey (hopefully), but make no mistake, people that go to the concerts want to hear the Perry era material and could give two shits about the new stuff. On every tour, when the new stuff is played, people get up to go to the bathroom or talk to their friends. Neal and Jon know this all too well.

I wish Arnel well, but the only Journey that matters to the masses is the one with Perry on the mic regardless of what shape his voice is in. That's where the casual fan's memories lie and that's what every singer after Perry is competing against. The fan's memories and emotional attachment of Journey at its peak.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Arnel will tour the hits and will continue to make new music with Journey (hopefully), but make no mistake, people that go to the concerts want to hear the Perry era material and could give two shits about the new stuff. On every tour, when the new stuff is played, people get up to go to the bathroom or talk to their friends. Neal and Jon know this all too well.

I'll give you that. That has become a reality for a lot of bands from Journey's era. But maybe, just maybe something from the new album will find a place somewhere in the mainstream and give new Journey some new mass appeal, beyond Don't Stop Believin'. You never know. I'm excited to see how this will transpire.

[STORY_TELLER]

Arnel will tour the hits and will continue to make new music with Journey (hopefully), but make no mistake, people that go to the concerts want to hear the Perry era material and could give two shits about the new stuff. On every tour, when the new stuff is played, people get up to go to the bathroom or talk to their friends. Neal and Jon know this all too well.

I'll give you that. That has become a reality for a lot of bands from Journey's era. But maybe, just maybe something from the new album will find a place somewhere in the mainstream and give new Journey some new mass appeal, beyond Don't Stop Believin'. You never know. I'm excited to see how this will transpire.

Well, there's a difference between being optimistic and realistic. Fact is, its rare for a band to change front men, keep the same name and continue to have a career selling new original music. Doesn't help when the type of music the band creates is no longer the mainstream.

Again, wishing Arnel luck. He's living a dream and he must be on cloud 9. Hope he saves his money so he and his family can live a great life. But thinking he's going to "carve out a new legacy" is fan(atic) talk at best.

[ScarabGator]

Arnel's voice sounded like they went to 11 on the reverb dial -- I mean, I almost had to dry my speakers after playing that stuff! Seriously, his voice doesn't even sound real -- it's like a perfect match to Studio Steve Perry (as opposed to Live Steve Perry). Scary good.

I've got a good friend from the Philippines -- he says that Journey and Richard Marx are absolutely huge there, and almost every family has a karaoke machine. Singing is there what eating is in the U.S.

Is there more hidden singing talent from the Philippines that A&R reps are just oblivious to?

Tango

I dont know about more Phillipino talent but Arnel certainly is a one of a kind find. There will never be another Steve Perry but give Arnel his due, he will create his own legacy.

Geez... Scarab, seriously, there will be no "legacy" for Arnel even if he was better than Perry (which he's not). Melodic rock is over dude. The main stream doesn't care about it anymore. Journey is in their golden years of retirement. Only the diehard fans will purchase their new music. They won't make a dent in radio play and unless the Walmart deal is a direct sales deal (that is, where Walmart purchases the quantity in bulk from their own pocket and has to eat what it doesn't sell) I doubt Journey's new disk will outsell Arrival.

Journey's place in history began and ended with Steve Perry. He was not only the voice, but a very large part of the song writing and melody creation. The collaboration between Neal, Cain and/or Rollie with Perry is what yielded the songs which are now a part of rock and roll history, but it's over because that style of music is over. This happens every generation. Popular music cycles every 10 years on average. Sinatra had his time. Elvis had his time. The Beatles had their time. Melodic rock in general had its time, but now it's over.

Arnel will tour the hits and will continue to make new music with Journey (hopefully), but make no mistake, people that go to the concerts want to hear the Perry era material and could give two shits about the new stuff. On every tour, when the new stuff is played, people get up to go to the bathroom or talk to their friends. Neal and Jon know this all too well.

I wish Arnel well, but the only Journey that matters to the masses is the one with Perry on the mic regardless of what shape his voice is in. That's where the casual fan's memories lie and that's what every singer after Perry is competing against. The fan's memories and emotional attachment of Journey at its peak.

You know, I agree with you to an extent but didnt The New Cars, without Ric Ocasek and Ben Orr-the nucleus of the band just sell an amazing number of CD's and a very successful tour across the country? I think the public will still have interest.

[STORY_TELLER]

You know, I agree with you to an extent but didnt The New Cars, without Ric Ocasek and Ben Orr-the nucleus of the band just sell an amazing number of CD's and a very successful tour across the country? I think the public will still have interest.

I'd like to know where you're getting your information from about the CD sales figures, but if you define a successful tour as a nostalgia act touring their greatest hits and casual fans coming out for a night of music and brews, then yes, it was just as successful as tour's Journey had while fronted by Augeri.

My standard of recent successful tours of once popular bands are The Police, Genesis, Van Halen. The New Cars and Journey don't rise to that threshold of success brother.

[bluejeangirl76]

Dude, you are going to have a tough time here, mainly because I will haunt your sorry stupid ass.

Does anyone else beside me picture a post it note with Deano's 'to do' list stuck to his monitor?

"1. tell ScarabGator to STFU.
2. change avatar
3. repeat #1
4. haunt Tango"

[RedWingFan]

Dude, you are going to have a tough time here, mainly because I will haunt your sorry stupid ass.

Does anyone else beside me picture a post it note with Deano's 'to do' list stuck to his monitor?

"1. tell ScarabGator to STFU.
2. change avatar
3. repeat #1
4. haunt Tango"

I'd guess the list would be alot longer than that.

[ScarabGator]

Dude, you are going to have a tough time here, mainly because I will haunt your sorry stupid ass.

Does anyone else beside me picture a post it note with Deano's 'to do' list stuck to his monitor?

"1. tell ScarabGator to STFU.
2. change avatar
3. repeat #1
4. haunt Tango"

Aint that the truth!!!

[journeyrock]

I wish Arnel well, but the only Journey that matters to the masses is the one with Perry on the mic regardless of what shape his voice is in. That's where the casual fan's memories lie and that's what every singer after Perry is competing against. The fan's memories and emotional attachment of Journey at its peak.

EXACTLY! The "JOURNEY LEGACY" and it is wrapped around Steve Perry.

[ScarabGator]

You know, I agree with you to an extent but didnt The New Cars, without Ric Ocasek and Ben Orr-the nucleus of the band just sell an amazing number of CD's and a very successful tour across the country? I think the public will still have interest.

I'd like to know where you're getting your information from about the CD sales figures, but if you define a successful tour as a nostalgia act touring their greatest hits and casual fans coming out for a night of music and brews, then yes, it was just as successful as tour's Journey had while fronted by Augeri.

My standard of recent successful tours of once popular bands are The Police, Genesis, Van Halen. The New Cars and Journey don't rise to that threshold of success brother.

I dont have facts to back it up but I thought I read in Rolling Stone or Blender that the CD did quite well. And I know when they played Central Florida it was a packed house and a friend in Atlanta said it was sold out there as well? I missed it, but I would have liked to see it. Rundgren did a decent Ocasek.

[STORY_TELLER]

You know, I agree with you to an extent but didnt The New Cars, without Ric Ocasek and Ben Orr-the nucleus of the band just sell an amazing number of CD's and a very successful tour across the country? I think the public will still have interest.

I'd like to know where you're getting your information from about the CD sales figures, but if you define a successful tour as a nostalgia act touring their greatest hits and casual fans coming out for a night of music and brews, then yes, it was just as successful as tour's Journey had while fronted by Augeri.

My standard of recent successful tours of once popular bands are The Police, Genesis, Van Halen. The New Cars and Journey don't rise to that threshold of success brother.

I dont have facts to back it up but I thought I read in Rolling Stone or Blender that the CD did quite well. And I know when they played Central Florida it was a packed house and a friend in Atlanta said it was sold out there as well? I missed it, but I would have liked to see it. Rundgren did a decent Ocasek.

Uh huh... Ummm... what size was the venue? Because I saw the Police at Staples center with a sold out 80,000 capacity crowd. THAT'S the kind of attention and fan following which creates legacy's brother. The rest is silly.

The New Cars are not going to carve out a new legacy anymore than Journey will. Both bands are living off the famous carcass of an established brand name, made popular by a very different lineup. Not enough fans will support their new music and those that did were probably curiosity purchasers at best. Doesn't mean the new cars will carve out some new legacy with Todd on vox. The Cars will always be Rick Ocasik on vox the same way that the Rolling Stones will always require Mick at the helm. There's no getting around that. I'll bet the new cars CD sold around the same numbers as Arrival.

[ScarabGator]

You know, I agree with you to an extent but didnt The New Cars, without Ric Ocasek and Ben Orr-the nucleus of the band just sell an amazing number of CD's and a very successful tour across the country? I think the public will still have interest.

I'd like to know where you're getting your information from about the CD sales figures, but if you define a successful tour as a nostalgia act touring their greatest hits and casual fans coming out for a night of music and brews, then yes, it was just as successful as tour's Journey had while fronted by Augeri.

My standard of recent successful tours of once popular bands are The Police, Genesis, Van Halen. The New Cars and Journey don't rise to that threshold of success brother.

I dont have facts to back it up but I thought I read in Rolling Stone or Blender that the CD did quite well. And I know when they played Central Florida it was a packed house and a friend in Atlanta said it was sold out there as well? I missed it, but I would have liked to see it. Rundgren did a decent Ocasek.

Uh huh... Ummm... what size was the venue? Because I saw the Police at Staples center with a sold out 80,000 capacity crowd. THAT'S the kind of attention and fan following which creates legacy's brother. The rest is silly.

The New Cars are not going to carve out a new legacy anymore than Journey will. Both bands are living off the famous carcass of an established brand name, made popular by a very different lineup. Not enough fans will support their new music and those that did were probably curiosity purchasers at best. Doesn't mean the new cars will carve out some new legacy with Todd on vox. The Cars will always be Rick Ocasik on vox the same way that the Rolling Stones will always require Mick at the helm. There's no getting around that. I'll bet the new cars CD sold around the same numbers as Arrival.

I dont know, hell you may be right. In Orlando it was at the House of Blues and in Atlanta I think they played the Roxy music theater. Since I dont have the CD sales figures in front of me Ill agree with you. I dont even remember what point I was making that got me on the New Cars....

[STORY_TELLER]

I dont know, hell you may be right. In Orlando it was at the House of Blues and in Atlanta I think they played the Roxy music theater. Since I dont have the CD sales figures in front of me Ill agree with you. I dont even remember what point I was making that got me on the New Cars....

Your point was Journey could carve out a new Legacy with Arnel on vocals. It was an excited fan(ish) comment to make. I was just sobering up your enthusiasm with a dose of reality.

The band will continue to make money from touring. They'll put out new music which mostly diehards will purchase but they won't be able to live off the income from recording like they used to. Their bread and butter will be from touring their GH's year after year.

[ScarabGator]

I dont know, hell you may be right. In Orlando it was at the House of Blues and in Atlanta I think they played the Roxy music theater. Since I dont have the CD sales figures in front of me Ill agree with you. I dont even remember what point I was making that got me on the New Cars....

Your point was Journey could carve out a new Legacy with Arnel on vocals. It was an excited fan(ish) comment to make. I was just sobering up your enthusiasm with a dose of reality.

The band will continue to make money from touring. They'll put out new music which mostly diehards will purchase but they won't be able to live off the income from recording like they used to. Their bread and butter will be from touring their GH's year after year.

I guess we'll see. I believe the tour will do great like you said, especially with The Sopranos thing. AS far as the CD sales go, well I guess that depends on the packaging Wal Mart has in store. I wouldnt be surprised though if it outsold Arrival in the first week.

[STORY_TELLER]

I dont know, hell you may be right. In Orlando it was at the House of Blues and in Atlanta I think they played the Roxy music theater. Since I dont have the CD sales figures in front of me Ill agree with you. I dont even remember what point I was making that got me on the New Cars....

Your point was Journey could carve out a new Legacy with Arnel on vocals. It was an excited fan(ish) comment to make. I was just sobering up your enthusiasm with a dose of reality.

The band will continue to make money from touring. They'll put out new music which mostly diehards will purchase but they won't be able to live off the income from recording like they used to. Their bread and butter will be from touring their GH's year after year.

I guess we'll see. I believe the tour will do great like you said, especially with The Sopranos thing. AS far as the CD sales go, well I guess that depends on the packaging Wal Mart has in store. I wouldnt be surprised though if it outsold Arrival in the first week.

Oh I didn't say the tour will do great! lol... I said it will do what it did with Augeri at the helm. There's a reason Journey's first tour with Arnel is a package two for deal with other 80's era bands. Casual fans will go see "a band named Journey" because of its brand name recognition and GH's package. Like I said, this is Neal, Jon and Ross's 401k plan in effect.

[ScarabGator]

I dont know, hell you may be right. In Orlando it was at the House of Blues and in Atlanta I think they played the Roxy music theater. Since I dont have the CD sales figures in front of me Ill agree with you. I dont even remember what point I was making that got me on the New Cars....

Your point was Journey could carve out a new Legacy with Arnel on vocals. It was an excited fan(ish) comment to make. I was just sobering up your enthusiasm with a dose of reality.

The band will continue to make money from touring. They'll put out new music which mostly diehards will purchase but they won't be able to live off the income from recording like they used to. Their bread and butter will be from touring their GH's year after year.

I guess we'll see. I believe the tour will do great like you said, especially with The Sopranos thing. AS far as the CD sales go, well I guess that depends on the packaging Wal Mart has in store. I wouldnt be surprised though if it outsold Arrival in the first week.

Oh I didn't say the tour will do great! lol... I said it will do what it did with Augeri at the helm. There's a reason Journey's first tour with Arnel is a package two for deal with other 80's era bands. Casual fans will go see "a band named Journey" because of its brand name recognition and GH's package. Like I said, this is Neal, Jon and Ross's 401k plan in effect.

Im gonna try to think more positively than you, but its been great debating with you and not getting insulted.

[Andrew]

Arnel's voice sounded like they went to 11 on the reverb dial -- I mean, I almost had to dry my speakers after playing that stuff! Seriously, his voice doesn't even sound real -- it's like a perfect match to Studio Steve Perry (as opposed to Live Steve Perry). Scary good.

I've got a good friend from the Philippines -- he says that Journey and Richard Marx are absolutely huge there, and almost every family has a karaoke machine. Singing is there what eating is in the U.S.

Is there more hidden singing talent from the Philippines that A&R reps are just oblivious to?

Tango

Moron, calm down. Arnel is a great singer, but are you really so stupid to talk about anyone being comparable to Steve Perry? Dude, you are going to have a tough time here, mainly because I will haunt your sorry stupid ass.

No you won't. Give the bad vibes a rest, eh Deano.

[STORY_TELLER]

Im gonna try to think more positively than you, but its been great debating with you and not getting insulted.

lol.. yeah, nice change of pace, huh? Keep up your enthusiasm, it's healthy. I think I fall in the curious wait and see category but as far as reliving their heyday and creating a new legacy, well, nah, that's just not realistic.

cheers

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Uh huh... Ummm... what size was the venue? Because I saw the Police at Staples center with a sold out 80,000 capacity crowd.

The Staples Center does not hold 80,000 people. Are you thinking of a different venue? I'm not denying that The Police can/do sell out the Staples Center, but a sell out there is not 80,000 people.

[STORY_TELLER]

Uh huh... Ummm... what size was the venue? Because I saw the Police at Staples center with a sold out 80,000 capacity crowd.

The Staples Center does not hold 80,000 people. Are you thinking of a different venue? I'm not denying that The Police can/do sell out the Staples Center, but a sell out there is not 80,000 people.

Might have been mistaking the size then, but it sure looked like 80,000! lol... Staples is in downtown LA, right? Or am I wrong?

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Uh huh... Ummm... what size was the venue? Because I saw the Police at Staples center with a sold out 80,000 capacity crowd.

The Staples Center does not hold 80,000 people. Are you thinking of a different venue? I'm not denying that The Police can/do sell out the Staples Center, but a sell out there is not 80,000 people.

Might have been mistaking the size then, but it sure looked like 80,000! lol... Staples is in downtown LA, right? Or am I wrong?

It's in downtown LA. It's where the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers play basketball, so it's more like 25-30,000. Impressive to sell it out, nonetheless.

(and for the record, I get your argument about the difference in venue size being important when comparing gig success.)

[Rick]

Uh huh... Ummm... what size was the venue? Because I saw the Police at Staples center with a sold out 80,000 capacity crowd.

The Staples Center does not hold 80,000 people. Are you thinking of a different venue? I'm not denying that The Police can/do sell out the Staples Center, but a sell out there is not 80,000 people.

Might have been mistaking the size then, but it sure looked like 80,000! lol... Staples is in downtown LA, right? Or am I wrong?

It's in downtown LA. It's where the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers play basketball, so it's more like 25-30,000. Impressive to sell it out, nonetheless.

(and for the record, I get your argument about the difference in venue size being important when comparing gig success.)

It can hold up to 20,000 for concerts. Or so it says on Wikipedia.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Uh huh... Ummm... what size was the venue? Because I saw the Police at Staples center with a sold out 80,000 capacity crowd.

The Staples Center does not hold 80,000 people. Are you thinking of a different venue? I'm not denying that The Police can/do sell out the Staples Center, but a sell out there is not 80,000 people.

Might have been mistaking the size then, but it sure looked like 80,000! lol... Staples is in downtown LA, right? Or am I wrong?

It's in downtown LA. It's where the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers play basketball, so it's more like 25-30,000. Impressive to sell it out, nonetheless.

(and for the record, I get your argument about the difference in venue size being important when comparing gig success.)

It can hold up to 20,000 for concerts. Or so it says on Wikipedia.

I should have gone to Wikipedia in the first place . Thanks for giving the final count.

[STORY_TELLER]

Well, I stand corrected. My bad. STILL was a sold out show and still highlights my points very clearly. Neither The New Cars or a Perryless Journey can sell out one of those venues let alone a tour full of them.

[Rick]

Well, I stand corrected. My bad. STILL was a sold out show and still highlights my points very clearly. Neither The New Cars or a Perryless Journey can sell out one of those venues let alone a tour full of them.

I'm sure it seemed like 80,000 screaming nuts.

[STORY_TELLER]

Well, I stand corrected. My bad. STILL was a sold out show and still highlights my points very clearly. Neither The New Cars or a Perryless Journey can sell out one of those venues let alone a tour full of them.

I'm sure it seemed like 80,000 screaming nuts.

You have NO idea, lol... I was rather disappointed in the sound system. From where I was sitting, the guitar was nonexistent. Just sounded like Sting, his base and the drums. Foo Fighters opened for them and they sounded the same way. Very annoying.