OT: Michael Moore and former Dem chairman

[conversationpc]

I'm just thinking this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven...{laughter}...To have it planned at the same time...

The timing, at least as it appears now, it'll be there on Monday. That just demonstrates that God is on our side.

Both prominent Democrats saying similar things to what people like Jerry Falwell got in huge trouble for during Katrina.

[7 Wishes]

What a couple of major league assholes. Wow. I'm speechless (for once).

[RossValoryRocks]

What a couple of major league assholes. Wow. I'm speechless (for once).

Yeah...nuts on both side of the isle...always will be...

On another note you are being much more lovable today...sounds and reads like you were having a very bad weekend.

[conversationpc]

Both comments are sick, just as bad as what Falwell said during Katrina. I just want to see if the mainstream press covers it.

[Barb]

I just want to see if the mainstream press covers it.

You are too funny.

[conversationpc]

I just want to see if the mainstream press covers it.

You are too funny.

Why's that? I mean, I know I'm "funny" but...

[Barb]

I just want to see if the mainstream press covers it.

You are too funny.

Why's that? I mean, I know I'm "funny" but...

Thinking there is even a remote shot in hell the mainstream media would cover a dem doing something bad. I mean .... look at the John Edwards baby scandal. Not a peep. Sarah Palin's daughter's child? OMG! Biggest news story ever. Case freaking closed.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Taking into account who these two jackoffs are who are saying this, I'm not surprised. Their fucking idiots! As for if the media will report on it, it will all just depend on who the media at different areas favor. From what goes on where I am in the Bay Area of San Francisco, the media favors such fucksticks as these guys.

[conversationpc]

I mean .... look at the John Edwards baby scandal. Not a peep.

They apparently sat on that story for quite a while and then used that excuse that "Well, it wasn't an important story."

[S2M]

First of all, Moore is not an IDIOT. But I guess because he exposes all this flim-flam - he gets a bad rap.

[RedWingFan]

First of all, Moore is not an IDIOT. But I guess because he exposes all this flim-flam - he gets a bad rap.

You're right, First of all, Moore's a liar! Secondly he's an IDIOT. I saw his fat ass when I took my family up to Traverse City this summer. I passed behind him while he was getting filmed on the street. If I was as rude as some I would have interrupted him and asked him about a new "documentary" that he tries to pass off as satire when the lies are called out.

[Michigan Girl]

First of all, Moore is not an IDIOT. But I guess because he exposes all this flim-flam - he gets a bad rap.

You're right, First of all, Moore's a liar! Secondly he's an IDIOT. I saw his fat ass when I took my family up to Traverse City this summer. I passed behind him while he was getting filmed on the street. If I was as rude as some I would have interrupted him and asked him about a new "documentary" that he tries to pass off as satire when the lies are called out.

[Rhiannon]

First of all, Moore's a liar!

+1

Secondly he's an IDIOT.

+1

I saw his fat ass.

*barfs* The Hugh Manatee.

[S2M]

First of all, Moore is not an IDIOT. But I guess because he exposes all this flim-flam - he gets a bad rap.

You're right, First of all, Moore's a liar! Secondly he's an IDIOT. I saw his fat ass when I took my family up to Traverse City this summer. I passed behind him while he was getting filmed on the street. If I was as rude as some I would have interrupted him and asked him about a new "documentary" that he tries to pass off as satire when the lies are called out.

Ok, really can't blame you for feeling that way...it IS vogue to not like him. We'll agree to disagree. I suppose there is no Global Warming either. 'Sicko' was lies, right?

Fahrenheit 9/11 was a bunch of crap as well, right? If you put the same scrutiny and criteria on the Bush admin. as you do on Moore - perhaps you'd get a clue as to just how much sleight of COCK & BALLS the whole WMD/Iraq war is.....

Now that I think of it....perhaps you'd like to list these so-called lies to which you are speaking...I'd REALLY love to read them. And I don't want a citation or a link to SOMEONE ELSE'S words....I want YOUR words.

For more info, see Gunbot's sig.....

You like apples?

[RedWingFan]

First of all, Moore is not an IDIOT. But I guess because he exposes all this flim-flam - he gets a bad rap.

You're right, First of all, Moore's a liar! Secondly he's an IDIOT. I saw his fat ass when I took my family up to Traverse City this summer. I passed behind him while he was getting filmed on the street. If I was as rude as some I would have interrupted him and asked him about a new "documentary" that he tries to pass off as satire when the lies are called out.

Ok, really can't blame you for feeling that way...it IS vogue to not like him. We'll agree to disagree. I suppose there is no Global Warming either.

I imagine there has been "global warming" for about approx. 1/2 of the history of the Earth. Manmade global warming? Absolutely not.

'Sicko' was lies, right?

Well I don't know about outright lies in 'Sicko' but there are alot of falsehoods that lead the viewer down the wrong path.

Now that I think of it....perhaps you'd like to list these so-called lies to which you are speaking...I'd REALLY love to read them.

Well first of all when Moore broke onto the scene with "Roger & Me". Moore claimed repeatedly to be from the city of Flint (which happens to be my hometown) He's actually from the upscale city of Davison which is 95% white. Yes, he launched his career with lies.

And I don't want a citation or a link to SOMEONE ELSE'S words....I want YOUR words.

I'm posting a Larry Elder column, and this link to Dave Kopel's website, because they are their words from facts that THEY dug up. If I didn't have a problem with Plagiarizing someone I might consider voting for a ticket that includes Joe Biden. If that doesn't make sense look it up yourself.
http://www.davekopel.org/Terror/Fiftysi ... it-911.htm

Moore's "Sicko" Is Sickening
Larry Elder
Thursday, July 12, 2007

Nearly 50 million "Americans" lack health-care insurance. At least, director Michael Moore makes this claim in "Sicko," his new "documentary" about America's supposedly awful health-care system.

Nearly 50 million Americans without health-care insurance? For what it's worth, the Centers for Disease Control puts the number of uninsured at 43.6 million, and the Census Bureau at 44.8 million.

First, understand that lack of health-care "insurance" does not mean a lack of health care. Many emergency rooms, by law, provide medical care to anyone who walks in, whether an illegal or legal resident of this country.

Second, when Moore asserts that 50 million Americans lack health care insurance, he most assuredly includes some of the estimated 11 million to 20 million illegal aliens living here. Of people born in America, 86 percent have health-care coverage. For non-citizens, only 57 percent have health-care insurance.

Now examine those who lack health-care insurance.

Nearly half go without health insurance only for four months or less, usually while between jobs. Others with employment could easily add health-care insurance through their work for a very small premium. Many without health-care insurance consist of young people (18 million uninsured are between the ages of 18 and 34) who consider themselves -- given their youth and good health -- unlikely to face large health-care costs.

Over 14 million of the uninsured, according to the Census Bureau, live in households earning $50,000 or more annually. Over 7 million are in households earning more than $75,000 a year. These people could afford health-care insurance, either out-of-pocket or by making minor adjustments to their lifestyles. A small number of the uninsured include criminals. Should taxpayers provide health care for them, as well?

"Sicko" followed the travails of Americans with health-care insurance -- their squabbles with their providers, denials of treatment by insurance companies, their dissatisfaction with the unwillingness of insurance companies to cover certain procedures. But according to an ABC News-Kaiser Family Foundation-USA Today survey, 89 percent of Americans with health-care insurance say they are, in fact, satisfied with the quality of care they receive.

To "solve" health care, Moore wants America to adopt a European or Canadian style of universal health-care, or single-payer system. Does Moore really expect Americans to tolerate long lines for services, months-long delays for important, critically necessary operations and procedures, and the rationing that inevitably occurs with a government-takeover of health care?

Canada? A recent government study said that only half of ER patients received health care in a timely fashion. Lindsay McCreith of Ontario was supposed to wait four months for an MRI, and then wait several months more to see a neurologist for his malignant brain tumor. But instead, McCreith -- like many other ill Canadians -- came to the United States for life-saving surgery.

England? The country's socialist Labor Party now favors privatization and expects, within two years, to triple the number of private-sector surgical procedures.

France? Nearly 13,000 people died in the summer of 2003. Why? The number suffering from the heat so overwhelmed the French health-care system that hospitals simply stopped answering their phones and ambulance attendants told people to take care of themselves. The majority of the 13,000 died from simple dehydration.

To address the "crisis" of the medically uninsured, Moore follows down the same dreary path of those who wish to improve America's education -- ignoring the benefits of competition. Why, for example, do elective medical procedures -- those not covered by health-care insurance -- become increasingly affordable? Cosmetic surgery procedures, nose jobs, breast implants, hair grafts, facelifts and vision-corrective eye surgery steadily decline in price.

Stifling regulations, price controls and outright attacks on free market medicine make things worse. A decade ago, an entrepreneur who operates a for-profit medical school in the Caribbean island of Dominica attempted to build one in America. He scouted the country and figured that Wyoming's doctor shortage created ideal conditions for a for-profit medical school. Compared to the national average of one doctor for every 441 people, Wyoming had only one doctor for every 642 people.

But local doctors pounded the table, warning that the medical school would produce unqualified doctors. Never mind that 92 percent of students graduating from his off-shore medical school passed their U.S. basic level tests on their first try, a slightly higher rate than the U.S. and Canadian average. Wyoming doctors and the national accrediting agency for medical schools successfully fought the proposed school.

If you consider our current health-care system "Sicko," just wait until Dr. Moore takes charge.

Copyright © 2008 Salem Web Network. All Rights Reserved.

[S2M]

Well, I asked you not to cite anything...but, oh well.....

Firstly, 50 million, 44 million...with those numbers - 6 million off, does it matter. You want to split hairs?

Secondly, did you even watch 'Sicko'? The system is such: Make it mandatory(it is in Mass.) to get health insurance, even if you cannot afford it. While medical institutions charge exorbitant prices for their services - example - 5,000 for an MRI. Are you fucking serious?!

I cannot speak to where he is from, but does it matter?

The point is.....There is nothing wrong with Moore's movie. Sicko, nor 9/11.

If the biggest 'fact' you got is him fudging where he comes from, you ain't got much, bunky....

[The_Noble_Cause]

I mean .... look at the John Edwards baby scandal. Not a peep.

A story broke by the National Enquirer, a news organ which has been succesfully sued for libel repeatedly.
It's no wonder nobody wouldn't touch it.
While we're at it, maybe Dan Rather should arrange for a sitdown interview with Bat Boy.




And since you clearly have it all figured it out Barb, I'd like to know just where was this self-enforced Edwards media blackout during all those
$400 dollar haircut stories, hmm?

[RedWingFan]

Well, I asked you not to cite anything...but, oh well.....

Firstly, 50 million, 44 million...with those numbers - 6 million off, does it matter. You want to split hairs?

Secondly, did you even watch 'Sicko'? The system is such: Make it mandatory(it is in Mass.) to get health insurance, even if you cannot afford it. While medical institutions charge exorbitant prices for their services - example - 5,000 for an MRI. Are you fucking serious?!

How will universal health care bring down the cost of an MRI????? It won't. But the lines will be so long you may not be able to get one before you die. Do a search on MRI waitlists for humans vs. dogs in Canada.

I cannot speak to where he is from, but does it matter?

It speaks to his character. Does that factor into whether he is a liar or not? I think it does.

The point is.....There is nothing wrong with Moore's movie. Sicko, nor 9/11.

You didn't even look at that link did you? Too scared? They even included his rebuttals (aka, more lies) to his lies. There were enough lies in his 9/11 movie when he was pressed on the lies, he said [paraphrasing] "It's not really a documentary, it's satire." He's a lying sack of shit!

[RedWingFan]

I mean .... look at the John Edwards baby scandal. Not a peep.

A story broke by the National Enquirer, a news organ which has been succesfully sued for libel repeatedly.
It's no wonder nobody wouldn't touch it.
While we're at it, maybe Dan Rather should arrange for a sitdown interview with Bat Boy.

They were all over that "Bigfoot in the freezer" though.

[S2M]

Well, I asked you not to cite anything...but, oh well.....

Firstly, 50 million, 44 million...with those numbers - 6 million off, does it matter. You want to split hairs?

Secondly, did you even watch 'Sicko'? The system is such: Make it mandatory(it is in Mass.) to get health insurance, even if you cannot afford it. While medical institutions charge exorbitant prices for their services - example - 5,000 for an MRI. Are you fucking serious?!

How will universal health care bring down the cost of an MRI????? It won't. But the lines will be so long you may not be able to get one before you die. Do a search on MRI waitlists for humans vs. dogs in Canada.

I cannot speak to where he is from, but does it matter?

It speaks to his character. Does that factor into whether he is a liar or not? I think it does.

The point is.....There is nothing wrong with Moore's movie. Sicko, nor 9/11.

You didn't even look at that link did you? Too scared? They even included his rebuttals (aka, more lies) to his lies. There were enough lies in his 9/11 movie when he was pressed on the lies, he said [paraphrasing] "It's not really a documentary, it's satire." He's a lying sack of shit!

What's with these lines? If the Doctors were employed by the government you'd still be able to go to your doctor of choice....are there lines now? Your doctor is STILL your Dr. just employed by the Gov....

The Medical lobbyists don't want universal Health because there goes their 6 figure salary, so they think. They think doctors won't be able to keep their rich lifestyles. Well, if you bothered watching SICKO, you'd know that doctors in england, who are part of their system are still making their high wages. So this is a crock. Of course, they might not be able to order unneccesary tests, and pad their bills like they do now....

[RedWingFan]

Well, I asked you not to cite anything...but, oh well.....

Firstly, 50 million, 44 million...with those numbers - 6 million off, does it matter. You want to split hairs?

Secondly, did you even watch 'Sicko'? The system is such: Make it mandatory(it is in Mass.) to get health insurance, even if you cannot afford it. While medical institutions charge exorbitant prices for their services - example - 5,000 for an MRI. Are you fucking serious?!

How will universal health care bring down the cost of an MRI????? It won't. But the lines will be so long you may not be able to get one before you die. Do a search on MRI waitlists for humans vs. dogs in Canada.

I cannot speak to where he is from, but does it matter?

It speaks to his character. Does that factor into whether he is a liar or not? I think it does.

The point is.....There is nothing wrong with Moore's movie. Sicko, nor 9/11.

You didn't even look at that link did you? Too scared? They even included his rebuttals (aka, more lies) to his lies. There were enough lies in his 9/11 movie when he was pressed on the lies, he said [paraphrasing] "It's not really a documentary, it's satire." He's a lying sack of shit!

What's with these lines? If the Doctors were employed by the government you'd still be able to go to your doctor of choice....are there lines now? Your doctor is STILL your Dr. just employed by the Gov...

That's like comparing your privately owned appt. to an inner city "project" appt. building. "Your appt. is still your appt. just run by the gov't"

The Medical lobbyists don't want universal Health because there goes their 6 figure salary, so they think. They think doctors won't be able to keep their rich lifestyles. Well, if you bothered watching SICKO, you'd know that doctors in england, who are part of their system are still making their high wages. So this is a crock. Of course, they might not be able to order unneccesary tests, and pad their bills like they do now....

Did that POS Michael Moore mention that the US has the highest cancer survival rate in 'Sicko'? Much better than Britian. Didn't think so.

Cancer Survival Rates Highest in US
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... cer121.xml ^

Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 6:28:38 AM by abc123alphabetagamma

Cancer survival rates in Britain are among the lowest in Europe, according to the most comprehensive analysis of the issue yet produced.

European cancer survival rates

England is on a par with Poland despite the NHS spending three times more on health care.

Survival rates are based on the number of patients who are alive five years after diagnosis and researchers found that, for women, England was the fifth worst in a league of 22 countries. Scotland came bottom. Cancer experts blamed late diagnosis and long waiting lists.


(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...

[S2M]

Well, I asked you not to cite anything...but, oh well.....

Firstly, 50 million, 44 million...with those numbers - 6 million off, does it matter. You want to split hairs?

Secondly, did you even watch 'Sicko'? The system is such: Make it mandatory(it is in Mass.) to get health insurance, even if you cannot afford it. While medical institutions charge exorbitant prices for their services - example - 5,000 for an MRI. Are you fucking serious?!

How will universal health care bring down the cost of an MRI????? It won't. But the lines will be so long you may not be able to get one before you die. Do a search on MRI waitlists for humans vs. dogs in Canada.

I cannot speak to where he is from, but does it matter?

It speaks to his character. Does that factor into whether he is a liar or not? I think it does.

The point is.....There is nothing wrong with Moore's movie. Sicko, nor 9/11.

You didn't even look at that link did you? Too scared? They even included his rebuttals (aka, more lies) to his lies. There were enough lies in his 9/11 movie when he was pressed on the lies, he said [paraphrasing] "It's not really a documentary, it's satire." He's a lying sack of shit!

What's with these lines? If the Doctors were employed by the government you'd still be able to go to your doctor of choice....are there lines now? Your doctor is STILL your Dr. just employed by the Gov...

That's like comparing your privately owned appt. to an inner city "project" appt. building. "Your appt. is still your appt. just run by the gov't"

The Medical lobbyists don't want universal Health because there goes their 6 figure salary, so they think. They think doctors won't be able to keep their rich lifestyles. Well, if you bothered watching SICKO, you'd know that doctors in england, who are part of their system are still making their high wages. So this is a crock. Of course, they might not be able to order unneccesary tests, and pad their bills like they do now....

Did that POS Michael Moore mention that the US has the highest cancer survival rate in 'Sicko'? Much better than Britian. Didn't think so.

Cancer Survival Rates Highest in US
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... cer121.xml ^

Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 6:28:38 AM by abc123alphabetagamma

Cancer survival rates in Britain are among the lowest in Europe, according to the most comprehensive analysis of the issue yet produced.

European cancer survival rates

England is on a par with Poland despite the NHS spending three times more on health care.

Survival rates are based on the number of patients who are alive five years after diagnosis and researchers found that, for women, England was the fifth worst in a league of 22 countries. Scotland came bottom. Cancer experts blamed late diagnosis and long waiting lists.


(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...

It is not like that at all.....I can't believe you are spinning it llike that? Are you secretly O'Reilly?

Nextly, yes that is a word, bringing up Cancer survival rates is proving nothing in regards to the initial debate....nice try with the sleight of hand.....

I forgive you.....it must be tough to post while you are reading, 'My pet goat'....

[RedWingFan]

It is not like that at all.....I can't believe you are spinning it llike that? Are you secretly O'Reilly?

It IS like that. The point is, government does virtually nothing well (outside of the military)

Nextly, yes that is a word, bringing up Cancer survival rates is proving nothing in regards to the initial debate....nice try with the sleight of hand.....

Oh, living or dying due to a giant slow-footed government beuracracy that doles out low quality care proves nothing? Oh, okay. Please direct me to what's important on this subject so I can address it instead of using sleight of hand and diverting.

I forgive you.....it must be tough to post while you are reading, 'My pet goat'....

Speaking of diversionary and irrelevant......

[The_Noble_Cause]

It IS like that. The point is, government does virtually nothing well (outside of the military)

Soc. Security works pretty well, and its solvency wouldn't even be in question if politicians kept their hands out of the cookie jar.
Medicare is also much more cost-effective than private industry due to a lack of overhead.

Most telling to me, is when Tawain went about implementing their own universal healthcare system, they took ideas from major capitalist countries but stopped short when it came to America, saying "America is not really a system you can copy, it's a market."
If Switzerland can dump their private system late in the game and make the switch, so can we.

Good resource (including warts and all): http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... countries/

[RedWingFan]

It IS like that. The point is, government does virtually nothing well (outside of the military)

Soc. Security works pretty well, and its solvency wouldn't even be in question if politicians kept their hands out of the cookie jar.
Medicare is also much more cost-effective than private industry due to a lack of overhead.

And as a group the politicians form what?
I didn't know Social Security's solvency was in question. How many baby boomers are set to retire?

[S2M]

It IS like that. The point is, government does virtually nothing well (outside of the military)

Soc. Security works pretty well, and its solvency wouldn't even be in question if politicians kept their hands out of the cookie jar.
Medicare is also much more cost-effective than private industry due to a lack of overhead.

And as a group the politicians form what?
I didn't know Social Security's solvency was in question. How many baby boomers are set to retire?

Ah....the dreaded SS debate......don't get ME started......

[RedWingFan]

Most telling to me, is when Tawain went about implementing their own universal healthcare system, they took ideas from major capitalist countries but stopped short when it came to America, saying "America is not really a system you can copy, it's a market."
If Switzerland can dump their private system late in the game and make the switch, so can we.

It's not enough of a market. The system needs tweeking. Getting away from HMO's and third party payers. How much does a physical cost? Hell if I know, because it doesn't come straight out of my pocket. If it did you'd bet I'd shop around.
If gasoline and oil changes were covered by our auto insurance. We wouldn't have a damn clue what those cost either. They could charge whatever they wanted. We'd just swipe our auto insurance card and be on our merry way. That's the way our health care is. We have to fix that.

[conversationpc]

I mean .... look at the John Edwards baby scandal. Not a peep.

And since you clearly have it all figured it out Barb, I'd like to know just where was this self-enforced Edwards media blackout during all those
$400 dollar haircut stories, hmm?

Correct me if I'm wrong but it doesn't look like Barb was talking about Edwards' hair.

[separate_wayz]

Well, I asked you not to cite anything...but, oh well.....

Firstly, 50 million, 44 million...with those numbers - 6 million off, does it matter. You want to split hairs?

Secondly, did you even watch 'Sicko'? The system is such: Make it mandatory(it is in Mass.) to get health insurance, even if you cannot afford it. While medical institutions charge exorbitant prices for their services - example - 5,000 for an MRI. Are you fucking serious?!

I cannot speak to where he is from, but does it matter?

The point is.....There is nothing wrong with Moore's movie. Sicko, nor 9/11.

If the biggest 'fact' you got is him fudging where he comes from, you ain't got much, bunky....

Michael Moore is a fat, stupid meathead if he thinks that the Cuban health care "system" is better than the U.S.'s. Cuba has "show clinics" for stupid foreigners to view -- what Cubans themselves see is far different (and much worse). Think Fidel Castro (who's now worth $900 million, all stolen of course) goes to Cuban hospitals for his health care? Hell no. He takes a jet to Spain and goes to a real hospital.

Michael Moore is an untutorable ass who is notably useless and irrelevant -- useless, because he's made a career of being a congenital liar, and irrelevant because nobody serious actually puts any stock into what he says.

[RedWingFan]

Michael Moore is a fat, stupid meathead if he thinks that the Cuban health care "system" is better than the U.S.'s. Cuba has "show clinics" for stupid foreigners to view -- what Cubans themselves see is far different (and much worse). Think Fidel Castro (who's now worth $900 million, all stolen of course) goes to Cuban hospitals for his health care? Hell no. He takes a jet to Spain and goes to a real hospital.

Oh yeah, he had to go to Spain to correct the bang up job the locals did on his colon or something right??? 'Sicko' is right. Too damn funny. Good looking out seperate wayz.