Which AP site is the official site?

[Don]

Both say official on their homepage banners. Both also appear dead, traffic wise compared to when there was one site. Is there a third site where everyone goes? It can't be the official Journey site, that place is dead too.

[Michigan Girl]

Put your plokking fingers on and get an instant answer!!!

[steveo777]

www.arnelpinedarocks.com

Sites are pretty quite til concerts are playing. Things will pick up in a couple weeks. They were going to take the orignal site down but too many people were protesting and didn't want to move to the new one.

[Melissa]

I believe it's the newer one, my pinay friend at work was confused too but then told me apparently there's some sort of drama between the 2 boards now since a new one came about, lol. She's a lurker since she's not the message board type, but she loves Arnel. I signed up at the new site when someone posted it here and gave her my password so she could post if she wanted to and she still won't, scaredy cat .

[isla]

The Almighty Rip Rokken is one of the Moderators at the new site!

[Don]

I believe it's the newer one, my pinay friend at work was confused too but then told me apparently there's some sort of drama between the 2 boards now since a new one came about, lol. She's a lurker since she's not the message board type, but she loves Arnel. I signed up at the new site when someone posted it here and gave her my password so she could post if she wanted to and she still won't, scaredy cat .

Drama you say? Is this a case of Divide et impera?

[steveo777]

Where'd ya get your avatar, GB? Was it from one of Rips conquests from Asia?

Hawt, I'll tell ya, hawt!

[Don]

Where'd ya get your avatar, GB? Was it from one of Rips conquests from Asia?

Hawt, I'll tell ya, hawt!

Dude, I was tearing up Asia back when Marcos was still President.
I've had that A/V for awhile, decided to bring her back so stevew2 could have a gander at her again.

[Voyager]

The Almighty Rip Rokken is one of the Moderators at the new site!

Who needed a new site? This one is always the busiest and most consistent. The official sites usually don't allow you to critique anything, so who needs the censorship?

[Don]

The Almighty Rip Rokken is one of the Moderators at the new site!

Who needed a new site? This one is always the busiest and most consistent. The official sites usually don't allow you to critique anything, so who needs the censorship?

We're talking about the AP sites, a new site opened that was supposed to replace the old site but the old site decided not to close. The old site was unmoderated but the new one is so I guess that's where Rip is at.
They're both fan sites for AP, not Journey sites if that was what you are thinking. The Official Journey site doesn't have forums so there is nothing to moderate. You do however get to create your own blog and pretty much say what you want unless you go overboard I guess.

[Melissa]

I believe it's the newer one, my pinay friend at work was confused too but then told me apparently there's some sort of drama between the 2 boards now since a new one came about, lol. She's a lurker since she's not the message board type, but she loves Arnel. I signed up at the new site when someone posted it here and gave her my password so she could post if she wanted to and she still won't, scaredy cat .

Drama you say? Is this a case of Divide et impera?

I have no clue, just what she told me! I don't read the old one anymore for another reason, but she does and keeps me updated at work She's headed to Manila soon over the summer to see her family, I told her to get brave and talk to the other "plokkers" and maybe she could meet some of them! lol

Been checking the new one for tour dates in case they don't get posted here, but from that blog yesterday I guess the dates that are up are pretty much it?

[Rip Rokken]

www.arnelpinedarocks.com

Sites are pretty quite til concerts are playing. Things will pick up in a couple weeks. They were going to take the orignal site down but too many people were protesting and didn't want to move to the new one.

Steve's correcto, that is now the official site, and the other one is still active. I still visit the original site as well.

The "drama" regarding the change hasn't come from AP or anyone in charge of either site. Best I can tell, it's perpetuated by disgruntled fans who think AP answers to them or owes them explanations. Others have been spreading that the new site is only for "special" or "preferred" fans, and that others are treated very poorly there. That is complete rubbish, and everyone who has chosen to sign up and participate is extremely kind and friendly to everyone. They are the nicest of the nice. Now I have noticed some of the gripers log in and lurk a few times, but not try to chat with anyone. Hmm...

[Jana]

www.arnelpinedarocks.com

Sites are pretty quite til concerts are playing. Things will pick up in a couple weeks. They were going to take the orignal site down but too many people were protesting and didn't want to move to the new one.

Steve's correcto, that is now the official site, and the other one is still active. I still visit the original site as well.

The "drama" regarding the change hasn't come from AP or anyone in charge of either site. Best I can tell, it's perpetuated by disgruntled fans who think AP answers to them or owes them explanations. Others have been spreading that the new site is only for "special" or "preferred" fans, and that others are treated very poorly there. That is complete rubbish, and everyone who has chosen to sign up and participate is extremely kind and friendly to everyone. They are the nicest of the nice. Now I have noticed some of the gripers log in and lurk a few times, but not try to chat with anyone. Hmm...

It goes both ways, Rip. There's also some that come on the original site saying those that don't join the new site are not true AP fans and are making Arnel unhappy, etc, etc, or that make remarks in the SB on the new site saying some negative things about the old site in a broad stroke re all the members, not just the few causing problems, which I've read. But it will all calm down eventually.

[Rip Rokken]

It goes both ways, Rip. There's also some that come on the original site saying those that don't join the new site are not true AP fans and are making Arnel unhappy, etc, etc, or that make remarks in the SB on the new site saying some negative things about the old site in a broad stroke re all the members, not just the few causing problems, which I've read. But it will all calm down eventually.

Hey, Jana -

I've heard 2nd or 3rd hand that has happened (never with clear details on who or when), but haven't witnessed it myself. Anyone who is stirring up that kind of trouble or promoting division among the fans is misguided, and not even respecting the wishes of Arnel himself for everyone to get along and not be divided.

People should pause and think about this very hard... they are fighting with others over which website they prefer, when both are available. It would be like me telling people they aren't true Journey fans if they don't participate at the official Journey site, or telling those members they aren't cool and in-the-know if they don't join the MR Journey discussion. I can't sugar coat this... LOL... it's STUPID. Everyone has a choice and a personal preference, and everyone is free to do whatever they want, no matter what anyone else says. People are also free to have fun and enjoy themselves or not to. But if they aren't having fun, that is a personal choice that they can't blame anyone else for.

I choose not to fight with anyone about stuff like this, and am having a great time wherever I go. Hope you are, too.

[Lula]

awww the world of message boards. i don't think any site is immune to the drama. people have personality, motivation, desire, etc... some are out to get whatever they can, anyway they can. anything to get close to the inner cirlcle, pathetic and misguided, sad.

[DrFU]

I believe it's the newer one, my pinay friend at work was confused too but then told me apparently there's some sort of drama between the 2 boards now since a new one came about, lol. She's a lurker since she's not the message board type, but she loves Arnel. I signed up at the new site when someone posted it here and gave her my password so she could post if she wanted to and she still won't, scaredy cat .

Drama you say? Is this a case of Divide et impera?

I have no clue, just what she told me! I don't read the old one anymore for another reason, but she does and keeps me updated at work She's headed to Manila soon over the summer to see her family, I told her to get brave and talk to the other "plokkers" and maybe she could meet some of them! lol

Been checking the new one for tour dates in case they don't get posted here, but from that blog yesterday I guess the dates that are up are pretty much it?

Deb and I gave up waiting and bought tickets for Red Rocks ... you and Lynn should join us ... ya'll should be ready for some cooler weather around mid-July ...

[Lula]

great pic and great quote doc! i just love you!!

[Rip Rokken]

awww the world of message boards. i don't think any site is immune to the drama. people have personality, motivation, desire, etc... some are out to get whatever they can, anyway they can. anything to get close to the inner cirlcle, pathetic and misguided, sad.

Now THAT is the truth, and something I've had a very hard time not saying. So thanks for saying it.

[Melissa]

I believe it's the newer one, my pinay friend at work was confused too but then told me apparently there's some sort of drama between the 2 boards now since a new one came about, lol. She's a lurker since she's not the message board type, but she loves Arnel. I signed up at the new site when someone posted it here and gave her my password so she could post if she wanted to and she still won't, scaredy cat .

Drama you say? Is this a case of Divide et impera?

I have no clue, just what she told me! I don't read the old one anymore for another reason, but she does and keeps me updated at work She's headed to Manila soon over the summer to see her family, I told her to get brave and talk to the other "plokkers" and maybe she could meet some of them! lol

Been checking the new one for tour dates in case they don't get posted here, but from that blog yesterday I guess the dates that are up are pretty much it?

Deb and I gave up waiting and bought tickets for Red Rocks ... you and Lynn should join us ... ya'll should be ready for some cooler weather around mid-July ...

Oh yes, it's already getting in the 90's here, I can just imagine how HOT we're going to be by July . I'll have to check on work stuff and maybe that one would work!

[Rip Rokken]

Deb and I gave up waiting and bought tickets for Red Rocks ... you and Lynn should join us ... ya'll should be ready for some cooler weather around mid-July ...

So far, Red Rocks is the only gig this year I'd really been considering. I even had a friend that is not on the boards e-mail me to suggest that venue as a really cool one when they saw the tour lineup. I know people were waiting for an L.A., Vegas, Dallas or Nashville, but I guess Neal's blog explains why those dates haven't appeared.

[Jana]

It goes both ways, Rip. There's also some that come on the original site saying those that don't join the new site are not true AP fans and are making Arnel unhappy, etc, etc, or that make remarks in the SB on the new site saying some negative things about the old site in a broad stroke re all the members, not just the few causing problems, which I've read. But it will all calm down eventually.

Hey, Jana -

I've heard 2nd or 3rd hand that has happened (never with clear details on who or when), but haven't witnessed it myself. Anyone who is stirring up that kind of trouble or promoting division among the fans is misguided, and not even respecting the wishes of Arnel himself for everyone to get along and not be divided.

People should pause and think about this very hard... they are fighting with others over which website they prefer, when both are available. It would be like me telling people they aren't true Journey fans if they don't participate at the official Journey site, or telling those members they aren't cool and in-the-know if they don't join the MR Journey discussion. I can't sugar coat this... LOL... it's STUPID. Everyone has a choice and a personal preference, and everyone is free to do whatever they want, no matter what anyone else says. People are also free to have fun and enjoy themselves or not to. But if they aren't having fun, that is a personal choice that they can't blame anyone else for.

I choose not to fight with anyone about stuff like this, and am having a great time wherever I go. Hope you are, too.

Exactly. I agree. I belong to both sites but at this point feel more comfortable on the old site. But I'm not really involved in either site anyway except casually. I just like to go on and check out any new news and find the older one easier and more comfortable for me and quicker. I don't plokk but watch discussions sometimes if Arnel comes on. I think the dissension came about b/c the move was done abruptly and people were confused and, obviously, there were issues behind the scenes, but that is nobody's business, and I agree Arnel doesn't have to explain it. But I'm glad they old site was kept open and feel it would have been a mistake to close it b/c that site and setup is preferable to many and most 6,000 members aren't active members and Arnel might have lost quite a few in the shuffle.

[Melissa]

awww the world of message boards. i don't think any site is immune to the drama. people have personality, motivation, desire, etc... some are out to get whatever they can, anyway they can. anything to get close to the inner cirlcle, pathetic and misguided, sad.

Yep, and some scary too, as we've unfortunately seen before.

I meant to add on FB I love that pic of Wyatt! He is so cute!

[Rip Rokken]

Exactly. I agree. I belong to both sites but at this point feel more comfortable on the old site. But I'm not really involved in either site anyway except casually. I just like to go on and check out any new news and find the older one easier and more comfortable for me and quicker. I don't plokk but watch discussions sometimes if Arnel comes on. I think the dissension came about b/c the move was done abruptly and people were confused and, obviously, there were issues behind the scenes, but that is nobody's business, and I agree Arnel doesn't have to explain it. But I'm glad they old site was kept open and feel it would have been a mistake to close it b/c that site and setup is preferable to many and most 6,000 members aren't active members and Arnel might have lost quite a few in the shuffle.

Right on... I was actually in the middle of editing a blog entry there when I noticed the change, so it surprised me too. I just went immediately to check it out and sign up, and I think there was real value in not announcing a new site until people could do just that. There are also some great updates to be added very soon thanks to feedback and suggestions from Plokkers, and I think everyone will be very pleased with them.

[DrFU]

Deb and I gave up waiting and bought tickets for Red Rocks ... you and Lynn should join us ... ya'll should be ready for some cooler weather around mid-July ...

So far, Red Rocks is the only gig this year I'd really been considering. I even had a friend that is not on the boards e-mail me to suggest that venue as a really cool one when they saw the tour lineup. I know people were waiting for an L.A., Vegas, Dallas or Nashville, but I guess Neal's blog explains why those dates haven't appeared.

Red Rocks ... rocks!

Morrison Inn for the pre-show clan gathering ... legendary margaritas ...

ILAA just went on sale a couple of days ago for this show; regular tix yesterday.

Good times ahead.

AND, according to the Heart website:

7/21/2009 7:00 PM CO Morrison Red Rocks - with Journey

[RobbieG]

awww the world of message boards. i don't think any site is immune to the drama. people have personality, motivation, desire, etc... some are out to get whatever they can, anyway they can. anything to get close to the inner cirlcle, pathetic and misguided, sad.

[Rip Rokken]

Where'd ya get your avatar, GB? Was it from one of Rips conquests from Asia?

LOL... That would be a negatory, good buddy! The only conquest I have is at home, and she's going back with me to the P.I. next year. I'm on my way out to meet them for Mother's Day lunch with our families.

[texafana]

The Almighty Rip Rokken is one of the Moderators at the new site!

wow..that's REALLY AWESOME!

[isla]

The Almighty Rip Rokken is one of the Moderators at the new site!

Who needed a new site? This one is always the busiest and most consistent. The official sites usually don't allow you to critique anything, so who needs the censorship?

We're talking about the AP sites, a new site opened that was supposed to replace the old site but the old site decided not to close. The old site was unmoderated but the new one is so I guess that's where Rip is at.
They're both fan sites for AP, not Journey sites if that was what you are thinking. The Official Journey site doesn't have forums so there is nothing to moderate. You do however get to create your own blog and pretty much say what you want unless you go overboard I guess.

The Almighty Rip Rokken is one of the Moderators at the new AP site! Thanks for the clarification, GunB!

[steveo777]

Where'd ya get your avatar, GB? Was it from one of Rips conquests from Asia?

LOL... That would be a negatory, good buddy! The only conquest I have is at home, and she's going back with me to the P.I. next year. I'm on my way out to meet them for Mother's Day lunch with our families.

Hahahaha. Rip we all know you would never conquest anything else, but it sure felt good to poke a bit of fun.

[Rip Rokken]

Hahahaha. Rip we all know you would never conquest anything else, but it sure felt good to poke a bit of fun.

Are you sending me subliminal messages? LOL! Get thee out of my head!!!