Saint John

by **Glenn** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:10 am

Hey man I was wondering...And I guess this is for everyone too...

I know you are not down with the Pre-Cain era (Perry's vocal style).

What would be your take on those songs with Arnel singing them....Like if they decided to do
a show where they played Infinity in it's entirety?

Is it the songs you don't like? Or is it just the way Perry sang them?

Sorry I missed you when you came to town btw, next time....and the first round is on me!

by **Don** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:15 am

I thought it was he bubble gum lyrics he wasnt down with, besides the ball crushing alto used during most of the songs.

by **Saint John** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:23 am

JSS Rocks! wrote:Hey man I was wondering...And I guess this is for everyone too...

I know you are not down with the Pre-Cain era (Perry's vocal style).

What would be your take on those songs with Arnel singing them....Like if they decided to do
a show where they played Infinity in it's entirety?

Is it the songs you don't like? Or is it just the way Perry sang them?

Sorry I missed you when you came to town btw, next time....and the first round is on me!

It's the Mariah Carey singing I can do without. The music was top notch, but the lyrics and vocals, to me, sucked. While I can certainly appreciate, and be in awe of, the incredible vocal acrobatics that Perry delivered it's just not my cup of tea. Songs like Patiently, Good Morning Girl, Lights, LTS and especially Something To Hide make me wanna stick dynamite in my ears and then jump into battery acid.

by **Glenn** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:23 am

Gunbot wrote:I thought it was he bubble gum lyrics he wasnt down with, besides the ball crushing alto used during most of the songs.

Yes....I remember something along those lines...

ball crushing alto ....lol

Website · by **steveo777** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:24 am

Saint John wrote:
JSS Rocks! wrote:Hey man I was wondering...And I guess this is for everyone too...

I know you are not down with the Pre-Cain era (Perry's vocal style).

What would be your take on those songs with Arnel singing them....Like if they decided to do
a show where they played Infinity in it's entirety?

Is it the songs you don't like? Or is it just the way Perry sang them?

Sorry I missed you when you came to town btw, next time....and the first round is on me!

It's the Mariah Carey singing I can do without. The music was top notch, but the lyrics and vocals, to me, sucked. While I can certainly appreciate, and be in awe of, the incredible vocal acrobatics that Perry delivered it's just not my cup of tea. Songs like Patiently, Good Morning Girl, Lights, LTS and especially Something To Hide make me wanna stick dynamite in my ears and then jump into battery acid.

How do you feel about Winds of March? Think Arnel could do that one any justice?

by **Don** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:28 am

steveo777 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
JSS Rocks! wrote:Hey man I was wondering...And I guess this is for everyone too...

I know you are not down with the Pre-Cain era (Perry's vocal style).

What would be your take on those songs with Arnel singing them....Like if they decided to do
a show where they played Infinity in it's entirety?

Is it the songs you don't like? Or is it just the way Perry sang them?

Sorry I missed you when you came to town btw, next time....and the first round is on me!

It's the Mariah Carey singing I can do without. The music was top notch, but the lyrics and vocals, to me, sucked. While I can certainly appreciate, and be in awe of, the incredible vocal acrobatics that Perry delivered it's just not my cup of tea. Songs like Patiently, Good Morning Girl, Lights, LTS and especially Something To Hide make me wanna stick dynamite in my ears and then jump into battery acid.

How do you feel about Winds of March? Think Arnel could do that one any justice?

Now that I'm actualy looking at the lyrics, Lets just have Neal add it's amazing solo into another song and call it good. :lol:

"You touched me with your eyes
Soft as an evening breeze
You held me in your arms
As the winds rushed through the trees
You are my child
You make my lifetime big and bright"

by **Saint John** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:33 am

steveo777 wrote:How do you feel about Winds of March? Think Arnel could do that one any justice?

That's a song that would be very difficult for anyone to sing, let alone someone almost 42. Perry's very specific nuances are on that song as much as any and I don't think it's a good idea to try and recapture the vocal sound of that song. As for the song itself I think it's boring with the exception of the 2/3rds mark where it gets going a little. Honestly, I think it should have been an instrumental. Perry's vocals are amazing, but the song would have been better lyric-less. I think the poor lyrics doomed it to obscurity.

by **Jana** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:38 am

Saint John wrote:
JSS Rocks! wrote:Hey man I was wondering...And I guess this is for everyone too...

I know you are not down with the Pre-Cain era (Perry's vocal style).

What would be your take on those songs with Arnel singing them....Like if they decided to do
a show where they played Infinity in it's entirety?

Is it the songs you don't like? Or is it just the way Perry sang them?

Sorry I missed you when you came to town btw, next time....and the first round is on me!

It's the Mariah Carey singing I can do without. The music was top notch, but the lyrics and vocals, to me, sucked. While I can certainly appreciate, and be in awe of, the incredible vocal acrobatics that Perry delivered it's just not my cup of tea. Songs like Patiently, Good Morning Girl, Lights, LTS and especially Something To Hide make me wanna stick dynamite in my ears and then jump into battery acid.

I can't agree on those. Loved him on all of those songs but -

- you're so right on Something to Hide. There's a couple of songs where Perry grates with his high piercing vocals and that's definitely one. Uncomfortable to listen to.

by **annie89509** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:45 am

True, I think JC added a lot of maturity to the songwriting. I, myself, prefers the songs from Escape- on. But an awful lot of people like the Gregg Rolie 78-80 era, too. And the concert boots are manificent. I've been listening to the re-mastered Captured cd a lot lately, and boy, that music really jumps at you. I've always enjoyed Gregg's singing voice, back to the Santana days in S.F. on the radio, when I didn't know who the singer was.

by **Glenn** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:12 am

I always enjoyed the MUSIC of those 3 albums first and foremost.

I know how the songs go but the lyrics were not something I concentrated on

I think I'm gonna check them out.

The Captured version of "Just The Same Way" is in my top 10 summer songs i like to jam to.

by **Rick** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:21 am

JSS Rocks! wrote:The Captured version of "Just The Same Way" is in my top 10 summer songs i like to jam to.

That's one of my all time favorites. Excellent song and excellent performance.

by **Gideon** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:04 pm

annie89509 wrote:True, I think JC added a lot of maturity to the songwriting. I, myself, prefers the songs from Escape- on. But an awful lot of people like the Gregg Rolie 78-80 era, too. And the concert boots are manificent. I've been listening to the re-mastered Captured cd a lot lately, and boy, that music really jumps at you. I've always enjoyed Gregg's singing voice, back to the Santana days in S.F. on the radio, when I didn't know who the singer was.

I don't know how to cogently explain my own position on the issue. For starters, I love Infinity. The vocals, the arrangements, the composition were all stellar. I detest Evolution and Departure. The music was in a state of flux and I didn't like it; the lyrics and composition sucked, in my opinion. The only one who had it right was Perry. When Jonathan joined the band, it improved immensely. Sure, there were more ballads, but the rock was also much heavier and elevated due to the fact that it had superior lyrics.

by **squirt1** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:22 pm

St John- I think those songs claimed a certain vocal territory for Perry . Patiently and Winds of March are incredible. There may have been another,but they served their purpose. I think Lambert could sing them but still have to wonder. Songs like those gave him the name " the voice".

by **Jana** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:29 pm

Gideon wrote:
annie89509 wrote:True, I think JC added a lot of maturity to the songwriting. I, myself, prefers the songs from Escape- on. But an awful lot of people like the Gregg Rolie 78-80 era, too. And the concert boots are manificent. I've been listening to the re-mastered Captured cd a lot lately, and boy, that music really jumps at you. I've always enjoyed Gregg's singing voice, back to the Santana days in S.F. on the radio, when I didn't know who the singer was.

I don't know how to cogently explain my own position on the issue. For starters, I love Infinity. The vocals, the arrangements, the composition were all stellar. I detest Evolution and Departure. The music was in a state of flux and I didn't like it; the lyrics and composition sucked, in my opinion. The only one who had it right was Perry. When Jonathan joined the band, it improved immensely. Sure, there were more ballads, but the rock was also much heavier and elevated due to the fact that it had superior lyrics.

I agree - Infinity, what an album. But I love Departure. Its songwriting was basic, but I don't care. The sound of Neal on Guitar with Perry's crystal, soaring vocals on Stay Awhile and I'm Cryin' and People and Places (Neal singing on that also) and Precious Time, I can't get enough of the band's sound then. And Rolie and Smith were fantastic. I listen to Departure more than I ever do Escape.

by **Gideon** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:31 pm

Jana wrote:I agree - Infinity, what an album. But I love Departure. Its songwriting was basic, but I don't care. The sound of Neal on Guitar with Perry's crystal vocals on Stay Awhile and I'm Cryin' and People and Places (Neal singing on that also) and Precious Time, I can't get enough of the band's sound then. And Rolie and Smith were fantastic. I listen to Departure more than I ever do Escape.

"I'm Cryin'" had some intense vocal acrobatics and fine fretwork by Neal, but I wasn't impressed. Precious Time was one of the only redeeming qualities on that album.

And I don't listen to much Escape. I listen to Frontiers and ROR much more.

by **Glenn** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:32 pm

Infinity is my all time Favorite Journey album.

by **Lula** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:33 pm

st john you're weird! winds of march is beautiful- lyrically and musically. i'm a bigger fan of the earlier stuff, but i really like that album with the alien type dude on the cover :lol:

missing santa monica yet?

by **Saint John** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:38 pm

Lula wrote:st john you're weird! winds of march is beautiful- lyrically and musically. i'm a bigger fan of the earlier stuff, but i really like that album with the alien type dude on the cover

missing santa monica yet?

Winds Of March features some great work by Neal, but that's about it. The lyrics are terrible and the song is boring and directionless.

And, yes, I miss Santa Monica and Malibu very much. So I'm probably coming back in August. :lol:

by **weatherman90** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:42 pm

Saint John wrote:
Lula wrote:st john you're weird! winds of march is beautiful- lyrically and musically. i'm a bigger fan of the earlier stuff, but i really like that album with the alien type dude on the cover

missing santa monica yet?

Winds Of March features some great work by Neal, but that's about it. The lyrics are terrible and the song is boring and directionless.

And, yes, I miss Santa Monica and Malibu very much. So I'm probably coming back in August.

Well aren't YOU lucky.... :lol:

I'd like to move out to CA at some point. Vacationed there a couple years ago and I decided that I'd enjoy living there.

by **Lula** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:53 pm

Saint John wrote:And, yes, I miss Santa Monica and Malibu very much. So I'm probably coming back in August.

maybe i'll be seeing you then. wyatt's birthday is aug 21 and i'll be on vacation

by **donnaplease** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:13 pm

weatherman90 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Lula wrote:st john you're weird! winds of march is beautiful- lyrically and musically. i'm a bigger fan of the earlier stuff, but i really like that album with the alien type dude on the cover

missing santa monica yet?

Winds Of March features some great work by Neal, but that's about it. The lyrics are terrible and the song is boring and directionless.

And, yes, I miss Santa Monica and Malibu very much. So I'm probably coming back in August.

Well aren't YOU lucky....

I'd like to move out to CA at some point. Vacationed there a couple years ago and I decided that I'd enjoy living there.

Cali rocks!!! San Diego is one of my favorite places to be! I wanna move back there some day (after the kids are out of school).

by **mikemarrs** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:26 pm

st. john do you like the album captured? its got all the best stuff off those first three albums and things like something to hide,winds of march and patiently all are absent.

by **Monker** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:37 pm

Anybody who points to an era of the band and hates it, or despises it, or whatever, is not really a fan of the band. They are a fan of a few songs, or a few albums, or whatever. I don't care if it is pre-Perry, pre-Jonathan, post-Perry, or post Augeri, if you hote it, you are no Journey fan...a fan of something else, sure, but not Journey. What it comes down to is it is all a melting pot. It all mixes and merges and the pience becomes part of the whole. When you hate one era, you hate a part of what Journey is today, and always has been.

JSS Rocks! wrote:Hey man I was wondering...And I guess this is for everyone too...

I know you are not down with the Pre-Cain era (Perry's vocal style).

What would be your take on those songs with Arnel singing them....Like if they decided to do
a show where they played Infinity in it's entirety?

Is it the songs you don't like? Or is it just the way Perry sang them?

Sorry I missed you when you came to town btw, next time....and the first round is on me!

by **Saint John** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:39 pm

mikemarrs wrote:st. john do you like the album captured? its got all the best stuff off those first three albums and things like something to hide,winds of march and patiently all are absent.

Captured is an ok album. Nothing like Escape or Frontiers, but still ok. The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) is one of my favorite songs. Songs I like off of it: Majestic, Just The Same Way, Dixie Highway, Feeling That Way (but not Anytime), Wheel In The Sky (probably because the album version just sucks) and The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love).

by **G.I.Jim** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:53 pm

Monker wrote:Anybody who points to an era of the band and hates it, or despises it, or whatever, is not really a fan of the band. They are a fan of a few songs, or a few albums, or whatever. I don't care if it is pre-Perry, pre-Jonathan, post-Perry, or post Augeri, if you hote it, you are no Journey fan...a fan of something else, sure, but not Journey. What it comes down to is it is all a melting pot. It all mixes and merges and the pience becomes part of the whole. When you hate one era, you hate a part of what Journey is today, and always has been.

JSS Rocks! wrote:Hey man I was wondering...And I guess this is for everyone too...

I know you are not down with the Pre-Cain era (Perry's vocal style).

What would be your take on those songs with Arnel singing them....Like if they decided to do
a show where they played Infinity in it's entirety?

Is it the songs you don't like? Or is it just the way Perry sang them?

Sorry I missed you when you came to town btw, next time....and the first round is on me!

Dude, that's one of the most rediculous things I've ever read!!! I own every Journey album ever released, and while I don't like their 1st three albums (or the Dream after Dream album), I'm one of their biggest fans EVER! I also don't like Red13 or Generations either...guess I'm not a fan either. :roll:

That is just freaking retarded! :lol:

I've never liked or connected to any other band like I have Journey, and I also played in a damn Journey Tribute band. However, with you're method of reasoning...I'm not a Journey fan? :roll:

While Dan is on his "Steve Perry sucks routine", your statements are just crazy!

by **Saint John** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:01 pm

G.I.Jim wrote: While Dan is on his "Steve Perry sucks routine"

I have never placed Steve Perry anywhere but #1 when I talk about the greatest vocalists ever. So go blow an elephant. :lol:

by **Don** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:05 pm

Ridiculous and lose, two of the most misspelled words on the internet.

by **G.I.Jim** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:05 pm

Saint John wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote: While Dan is on his "Steve Perry sucks routine"

I have never placed Steve Perry anywhere but #1 when I talk about the greatest vocalists ever. So go blow an elephant.

I will gladly, as soon as he gets done bending you over you big butt-bandit!!! :lol:

Dude...You KNOW that you've been hating on some Perry for a while now. Don't say you haven't! I don't know why you get so worked up about it anyway... You're not a fan. :lol: