Eclipse Certification

[jrny84]

What certification will Eclipse reach?

[scarab]

less than 500,000 will be sold.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Gold, not platinum.

[Pelata]

Gold, not platinum.

[steveo777]

Being realistic, I don't think this is an album targeting the casual fan. That means probably less than gold.
I still think it's gonna be a great album for those that enjoy a little harder direction for Journey.

[JourneyHard]

You didn't put a time limit on it so it will sell more than Two Million over the next 500 years!

[Archetype]

I expect it to sell 40,000-50,000 in the first week and will probably go gold by the end of the summer. Possibly Platimun if they really promote it during the summer tour.

[ebake02]

The casual fans will buy it expecting a Revelation type of sound which will drive it to Gold status, maybe platinum if Wal-Mart promotes it enough.

[S2M]

It will not go anywhere near gold in this country.....if you add the international sales, sure....it may go over that. Journey is done in the U.S.

[steveo777]

It will not go anywhere near gold in this country.....if you add the international sales, sure....it may go over that. Journey is done in the U.S.

Done??!! You smoke some weird shit. Maybe done as far as you're concerned but I don't see failure anywhere in their past
few years and I don't see any in the next few. That said, you're the kind of guy that would be standing in a sold out venue
and see a bunch of empty seats.

[S2M]

It will not go anywhere near gold in this country.....if you add the international sales, sure....it may go over that. Journey is done in the U.S.

Done??!! You smoke some weird shit. Maybe done as far as you're concerned but I don't see failure anywhere in their past
few years and I don't see any in the next few. That said, you're the kind of guy that would be standing in a sold out venue
and see a bunch of empty seats.

I'm the voice of reason....you're just deaf.

[steveo777]

It will not go anywhere near gold in this country.....if you add the international sales, sure....it may go over that. Journey is done in the U.S.

Done??!! You smoke some weird shit. Maybe done as far as you're concerned but I don't see failure anywhere in their past
few years and I don't see any in the next few. That said, you're the kind of guy that would be standing in a sold out venue
and see a bunch of empty seats.

I'm the voice of reason....you're just deaf.

C'mon Sean, pass the bong!

[Archetype]

It will not go anywhere near gold in this country.....if you add the international sales, sure....it may go over that. Journey is done in the U.S.

Huh...tens of thousands of tickets already sold for their tour that doesn't start until July seems to say otherwise

[steveo777]

It will not go anywhere near gold in this country.....if you add the international sales, sure....it may go over that. Journey is done in the U.S.

Huh...tens of thousands of tickets already sold for their tour that doesn't start until July seems to say otherwise

He must be a "birther" LOL

[S2M]

It will not go anywhere near gold in this country.....if you add the international sales, sure....it may go over that. Journey is done in the U.S.

Huh...tens of thousands of tickets already sold for their tour that doesn't start until July seems to say otherwise

When is your birthday? I got a copy of Rosetta Stone coming your way....

People want legacy.....the bathroom songs won't sell albums to the casual fan that will go see them in concert.

[Saint John]

Gold for sure and probably platinum by year's end.

[jrny84]

I think Eclipse will go gold by the end of year.

[jrny84]

It will not go anywhere near gold in this country.....if you add the international sales, sure....it may go over that. Journey is done in the U.S.

Your joking right? Thats the craziest thing I have heard yet. They have been very successful the past few years. Some of the U.S dates are already near sold out, including the DTE center in Detroit.

[S2M]

It will not go anywhere near gold in this country.....if you add the international sales, sure....it may go over that. Journey is done in the U.S.

Your joking right? Thats the craziest thing I have heard yet. They have been very successful the past few years. Some of the U.S dates are already near sold out, including the DTE center in Detroit.

I'll put you down for a Rosetta Stone, too.....I'm talking about CD sales.....not ticket sales. Last I heard there were no D12 songs on the new release....

[Eric]

250k at least. 500k Max. Not shabby if you ask me.

[slucero]

It'll go Aluminum, then Steel... prolly Gold... Platinum if international is included...

[steveo777]

It'll go Aluminum, then Steel... prolly Gold... Platinum if international is included...

I'm calling it now; It's going vinyl for sure!

[slucero]

Interesting email I received from the Tunecore blog (below). It's and interesting take on the whole sales certification process (gold, etc.) and its relevance..

Getting A Gold Record By Selling Nothing
http://blog.tunecore.com/2011/04/gettin ... thing.html


By Jeff Price

Some time ago, we had a TuneCore Artist sell thousands of copies of his single every week. The song and sales caught the attention of a major label, the two met and a marketing/distribution deal was struck directly between them. The single went on to break into the commercial radio charts and sold over a million copies within a year.

Recently, the label reached out to TuneCore asking for sales info on the single prior to the artist working with the label – they are trying to get an RIAA platinum sales award for the single.

There is something very wrong with this picture

Before the digital world, Gold Records (500,000 units), Platinum Records (1,000,000 units) and, for a short time, Diamond Records (10,000,000 units) were based on the number of physical units shipped, not sold. If the label/distributor could ship a certain number of copies of a release into the market, it was eligible to buy a sales award “certified” by the RIAA, a trade organization created to represent the interest of its label members. However, everything that was shipped to record stores could be returned back to the distributor for a refund. A label could literally ship out a million CDS, sell a lot less than they shipped but still be eligible to buy a plaque. This was sort of a “who watches the watchman” situation, but it made sense as distribution was consolidated and controlled by the RIAA members.

As absurd as this may sound, this system actually worked pretty well. Most labels did not want to spend huge amounts of money manufacturing inventory that they knew they would not sell just so they could ship it. Nor did they want to pay additional money to force inventory onto shelves of record stores so they could get the opportunity to spend even more money to buy a RIAA certified shipment plaque to hang on the wall (although it did happen). And finally, the majority of music being released and distributed was going through the RIAA member’s pipelines.

All that changed with the shift to digital music sales. First, as noted at the start of this article, the RIAA no longer has a handle on what is being distributed as the majority of releases in the music stores are being placed there by entities outside of the four major music distribution companies. With the loss of control comes the loss of knowledge and information. Next, consumers are now predominantly buying individual songs across an artist’s catalog as opposed to albums. The concept of a gold record is sort of out the window, in its place is the gold artist. In addition, the concept of what counts towards being eligible to get one of these awards is in doubt. Does a sale or download count if it sells for $0.05? How about $0.10 or $0.25 or another price point? How about a twelve song album priced at $2.99? Does a stream count? If not, why not? What if the stream generated more revenue than the download? What qualifies the consumption of music as “eligible” to be counted? Which brings us to the ridiculous situation of asking a non-qualified trade organization to verify something it is no longer qualified to verify. To be blunt, who cares if the RIAA does or does not believe you have sold a certain number of copies. The truth is the truth whether they say it is or not.

The concern I have is the perpetuation of a myth that discredits those achieving “success” by claiming they are not eligible for a coveted award. Let’s face it, having a gold record hanging on your wall is freakin’ cool – they look great. But what exactly do they now represent?

And herein lies the challenge: having an entity issue these awards should mean there is either a non-partial governmental agency issuing them (not going to happen) or there is a consolidation of power and information into an institution (like the RIAA) giving them the knowledge, information and control to be qualified to issue these sorts of awards – and that’s just a bad idea.

With more music being distributed globally by non-RIAA members, hard empirical data showing what has sold or streamed (as opposed to shipped), the shift from buying/downloading albums to buying/downloading singles and the forthcoming “cloud” services, we really need a new definition of what counts, who gets to say it counts and what the awards represent. If not, we will have a great looking bunch of eye candy on the wall that may as well just be fool’s gold.

[Saint John]

As far as Journey is concerned, that article is a non-issue. They still sell hard copy CDs and play by the old "rules." Good article, though.

[Escape Artist]

It will not go anywhere near gold in this country.....if you add the international sales, sure....it may go over that. Journey is done in the U.S.

There are some Journey CD's you can go spin that have all the "Legacy" you could ever want. Yes, they have SP on them and they are great. Go and be nostalgic by all means...but just go.

Back on topic: who cares? I like Journey in it's current lineup as well as former lineups. They do not care about record sales and neither do I, it is a dead medium. touring is where the money is and Journey is doing just fine, USA and internationally. The advance ticket sales are proof enough.

[yulog]

I dont know, maybe Andrew knows about this but i would think that Walmart could have a strong bearing on how much eclipse sells, i'm guessing they have some control on how many discs they will decide to distribute and they will probably go off what the last cd sold for them.

[Don]

I dont know, maybe Andrew knows about this but i would think that Walmart could have a strong bearing on how much eclipse sells, i'm guessing they have some control on how many discs they will decide to distribute and they will probably go off what the last cd sold for them.

As a three disc package, the last release sold between 700k and 800k, through Wal-Mart exclusively. This one disc package is only two dollars cheaper so not quite the same bargain. I'm thinking, the store prints out 500k just to hedge their bets. They can always print more if needed but definitely don't won't be stuck with excess inventory.

[yulog]

I dont know, maybe Andrew knows about this but i would think that Walmart could have a strong bearing on how much eclipse sells, i'm guessing they have some control on how many discs they will decide to distribute and they will probably go off what the last cd sold for them.

As a three disc package, the last release sold between 700k and 800k, through Wal-Mart exclusively. This one disc package is only two dollars cheaper so not quite the same bargain. I'm thinking, the store prints out 500k just to hedge their bets. They can always print more if needed but definitely don't won't be stuck with excess inventory.

I initially thought they would do about 500k myself but they might re evaluate that because of it only being 1 disc.... very risky business nowadays.

[Deb]

Gold for sure and probably platinum by year's end.

But will it go Gold in it's first day of release though?! If this thing doesn't outsell What If... you're never going to hear the end of my "booyaah"s in your general direction, brothahman!

[Don]

Gold for sure and probably platinum by year's end.

But will it go Gold in it's first day of release though?! If this thing doesn't outsell What If... you're never going to hear the end of my "booyaah"s in your general direction, brothahman!

Eclipse has already outsold What If just off of pre-orders alone.