Classic Journey

[perryfaithful]

and Steve is home playing with his cats.....

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Come on......what does a remark like that prove? I was following you until that!!

[yak]

HOTS, I like you, but this post is such shit......

Something she is full of. She knowingly started this thread to start a fight, because that's all she has left! Or maybe she's trying to get Andrew to close down the place again. Then there would be no positive Journey talk. See?

Why does anybody have a problem with Steve playing with his cats? That's what he DOES! Of course...he could be making music......Maybe that's why some are experiencing trouble.

The tired old argument of why didn't the band wait for Perry is OLD OLD OLD. If they had waited there would be no Journey. And heardonthestreet knows this!


I agree this topic is a total waste of bandwith!

THE POLL RESULTS TELL THE REAL STORY!

[jrnyman28]

This is also my first post on this site. Steve Perry, from what I understand (BTM), asked Neal and Jon to do another Bad English type of thing until he's had his surgery and healed.

Perry asked them to do whatever they want with whomever they want and don't call it Journey. He NEVER gave any indication of "until he's had his surgery and healed."

This is probably the biggest point of contention between the two fanbases. Journey says they asked for a decision and Perry wouldn't give them one. Perry says it was not a group decision. I believe that, had Perry given a timetable and decision to Neal and Jon, that Journey would have waited for that time. I believe that Perry gave them NO indication of what he wanted to do or how long it could take. Perry HAS said that he did not know if he wanted to have the sugery and he was exploring all possibilitier. But he appears to have never given any indication of how long it might take.

they moved on and brought in a gentleman who is doing what he can to front this band. He's doing pretty good at it too.

Glad to hear you can atleast see some talent from Augeri.

But, the truth remains that he is not Steve Perry and regardless of whether or not you want to "move on", Journey is seen as a "cover band".

Only by the Perry fans. Fans of JOURNEY do not see them as a cover band. Besides, a cover band does not play it's own material...Journey IS playing Journey material.

I love Journey, then and now, and I love Steve Perry as well.

Me too.

All this boils down to is personal opinions. And regardless of what some of you think, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and no one opinion is correct. So, bashing someone for not agreeing with you is just....well, rude.

Very true!

[ohsherrie]

Ohsherrie:

1) You are kind of dissmissing Schon/Cain/Valory as if they are just studio musicians.

Not entirely because I do love the work of the whole band(with the exception of some of Neal's over-the-top squalling guitar solos)while Steve was with them. I like Steve's solo work just as well though, and I don't get much out of anything they've done without him. Meaning that for me Journey is all about Steve Perry.

2) I don't think the general public knows who Steve Perry or Journey is. When I bought GH+5 (and that was a long time ago even) I asked the pinhead at Circuit City where I could find it and he said.."Steve who". So I said the lead singer of Journey and he said "Huh". Neither of my co-workers have ever heard of Journey or Steve Perry....and at the last concert I was at I heard the couple behind me walking in asking themselves didn't Journey used to have a different lead singer? I really don't think - with all due respect - that Perry has the brand equity that you guys think he does. We're talking about A LONG TIME AGO. And when he and Journey were their biggest, they were big in the pop world, which doesn't offer the same "credibility" as being big in the rock world, which Journey was in the late 70's....and those people respected Schon+Rolie as much or more than Perry....

I was talking more about the general Journey fanbase, both avid and casual. Not to mention the media.

[ohsherrie]

That is an absolute lie. You guys threw out the five year thing and rolled with it in every post. There were no 'other possibilities' mentioned.

Oh, and you read every post from all of us on every messageboard that we post on? Believe me, you couldn't possibly have done so. The speculation here, or wherever you read it, may have centered around the 5 yr idea, but that wasn't the only conversation we(Perryfans)had on the subject.

OF COURSE! Perry is in control of his own life. Journey isn't. What kinda moron would believe that Journey controls Steve Perry. Only a complete IDIOT would believe that.

Oh, so someone forced Neal and Jon to hire Augeri? If they controlled Steve they'd have been able to force him to tour in pain and sit on a stool and sing.

At least I don't have a brain that goes about inventing things to believe so I have an excuse to blame whoever I want.

Of course you do. You've been making up all sorts of absurd, unfounded accusations about Steve for at least 5 yrs that I know of.

Of course you prefer your own dementia to reality.

Even my "dementia" comes a lot closer to making sense than whatever altered state of reality you come from.

Maybe Perry has AIDS and can't tour.
Maybe Perry's estrogen prescription ran out so he lost his range and can't tour.
Maybe Perry has light sensitivity and can't tour.
Maybe Perry had throat cancer and now can't tour.
Maybe Perry was abducted by aliens and his replacement can't tour.

There is about as much chance of the above being true as there is with your 'theory'.

If all that seems as realistic to you as a contractual agreement it explains a lot about where you come up with some of the crap you've slung around these boards over the years.

[maci]

monker, where do you get off saying such quotes as you said to ohsherrie, unbeliveable. maybe you were the one that was abducted by aliens, and you're brain stayed with them. of course there are always other possiblities. of steve p. but steve a. was working at a shoe store??? I think he needs to go back. It really is none of our business about why, and how all of it came about with steve a. I saw the look on steve a.'s face at the walk of fame, and he looked pretty uncomfortable around steve p. the real voice of Journey. I don't believe that steve a. should have gotten anything from that, it should have been just the real journey yes including ansley dunbar, and gregg rollie, and the rest. Not steve a. besides what has he done except sing the old songs that Neal and Steve p. wrote together, along with Jonathan c. If steve a. was that good he should start writing his own stuff, instead of standing out on stage acting like a fool and trying to sing the way steve p. does, or did. Steve p. will always be the voice of Journey, NOBODY else can fill his shoes or his voice.

[yak]

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS CRAP ANYWAY

Speaking of which, where is heardonthestreet

She posted a thread, she created trouble, it got too hot to handle, and she 'DISAPPEARS'


YEAH RIGHT...



To Miss Maci...Steve Augeri does NOT act like a fool.....What a childish and insulting thing to say. He is a real gentleman, and is a frontman in his own right...and has been for what? .... 7 years now?

[The_Noble_Cause]

steve a. was working at a shoe store??? I think he needs to go back.

Steve Augeri was working at a NYC Gap in charge of maintenance before Journey gave him a call. After minimal success with Tall Stories and the band, Tyketto (along with singing backup for various bands) Steve had settled for a more reliable line of work. Similarly, Steve Perry had given up on the music business entirely and was in the lowly position of fixing chicken coops for his Uncle until Herbie Herbert graciously covered his paycheck for a week and flew Perry out to meet with the band, Journey. Perry was reluctant to even meet with the band, at first. As far as he was concerned, he had washed his hands of the music biz-completely. Perry and Augeri's stories are quite similar in many ways.
However, don't let a simple, trivial inconveniance like the "truth" in any way prevent you from bashing Augeri for making an honest wage for his family and giving Perry a total pass for doing the very exact same thing.

I saw the look on steve a.'s face at the walk of fame, and he looked pretty uncomfortable around steve p. the real voice of Journey.

I'd be willing to wager that you weren't even present at the WOF event.

Steve Augeri is well aware of how reverred Steve Perry is and has even gone so far as to state that if at anytime Perry expresses that he wants the job back, he will put his own personal feelings aside and vacate the role for him.
Go spew your misguided hatred, elsewhere.

[PROPERRY]

steve a. was working at a shoe store??? I think he needs to go back.

Steve Augeri was working at a NYC Gap in charge of maintenance before Journey gave him a call. After minimal success with Tall Stories and the band, Tyketto (along with singing backup for various bands) Steve had settled for a more reliable line of work. Similarly, Steve Perry had given up on the music business entirely and was fixing chicken coops for his Uncle until Herbie Herbert graciously covered his paycheck for a week and flew Perry out to meet with the band, Journey. Perry was reluctant to even meet with the band, at first. As far as he was concerned, he had washed his hands of the music biz-completely. Perry and Augeri's stories are quite similar in many ways.
However, don't let a simple thing like the "truth" in any way stop you from bashing Augeri for making an honest wage for his family and giving Perry a total pass for doing the very exact same thing.

Regardless of what Perry OR Augeri did BEFORE they joined Journey, the "truth" would be that Perry brought the SUCCESS to Journey, and while Augeri is an ok singer, he has NOT made his OWN mark in Journey!

I agree with Maci. The majority of the 7 years AUGERI has been with Journey, he has been singing the songs that Perry(wrote & sang) & Jon & Neal helped write. That is certainly isn't making his OWN mark in the music business.

And again, it is hypocritical of YOU to get upset about the bashing of Augeri, when you have no problem at all bashing Perry on a regular basis here.

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

I saw the look on steve a.'s face at the walk of fame, and he looked pretty uncomfortable around steve p. the real voice of Journey.

And actually, just for the record, if anyone was acting in a manner that would be befitting of the term "uncomfortable" it would be Perry.
By accounts of people who were at the ceremony, Perry was sheepishly hiding behind other peoples' backs in attendence until Steve Augeri came over and shook the man's hand.

[Monker]

This is also my first post on this site. Steve Perry, from what I understand (BTM), asked Neal and Jon to do another Bad English type of thing until he's had his surgery and healed.

I think someone else pointed this out. But, if you listen to the BTM again, Perry does not say to wait until he has surgery, or wait until he is healed. He basicaly says they should do whatever they want, with whoever they want, but to leave Journey alone. In other words, he wanted Journey to be available for him on HIS terms and nobody elses. Waiting for Perry under such circumstances IS a group decision, and should NOT be one individual making the decision for all involved.

IMO, that is an unacceptable situation. One person should not have so much control over a 'band'.

Neal and Jon didn't want to. Being that Neal and Jon did what they wanted, we will never know if Steve Perry would have returned to the band as their frontman or not.

100% certain? That is true. But, Perry's history with Journey after ROR seems to indicate that he would not have returned for years to come. Perry's solo history since TBF indicates that he simply isn't interested in touring or recording...which is further evidence that we would not have had Journey.

Where is there ANY evidence that he would have returned to Journey?

But, since Neal and Jon were too impatient to wait

I totaly disagree with the above. They waited for YEARS to reunite with Perry. They even forced the issue with the pre-TBF reunion with Chalfant and Rolie in the band. Then they waited nearly two years after the release of TBF for Perry to be able to tour (after he said in a radio interview that he was 'fine' following the Hawaii thing).

That, IMO, is a LOT of patience. Also, IMO, they were willing to move on without Perry BEFORE TBF was even recorded. The entire TBF fiasco with Perry's hip simply cemented the idea of moving on without him. Perry had a second chance with Journey and he blew it.

All this boils down to is personal opinions.

That is true. But, please base your opinion on factual information...not hearsay, or things that you WANT to be true but there is really no evidence. THAT happens far too often.

[The_Noble_Cause]

steve a. was working at a shoe store??? I think he needs to go back.

Steve Augeri was working at a NYC Gap in charge of maintenance before Journey gave him a call. After minimal success with Tall Stories and the band, Tyketto (along with singing backup for various bands) Steve had settled for a more reliable line of work. Similarly, Steve Perry had given up on the music business entirely and was fixing chicken coops for his Uncle until Herbie Herbert graciously covered his paycheck for a week and flew Perry out to meet with the band, Journey. Perry was reluctant to even meet with the band, at first. As far as he was concerned, he had washed his hands of the music biz-completely. Perry and Augeri's stories are quite similar in many ways.
However, don't let a simple thing like the "truth" in any way stop you from bashing Augeri for making an honest wage for his family and giving Perry a total pass for doing the very exact same thing.

Regardless of what Perry OR Augeri did BEFORE they joined Journey

No, it's not "regardless".
Not so fast.
Don't change the subject.
Maci wanted to bring up the fact that Augeri was making an honest (albeit less than dignified) wage before joining Journey, and so we are now going to talk about that. Is that alright? Maci want to go there and she brought it up so now let's discuss it. Ok?
She wanted to use that fact to further her argument and so as a rebuttal, I've submitted for consideration that Perry was doing the same line of lowly work before joining Journey.

Seems to me everytime someone on here begins to prove a point, you come to the rescue and try to hurriedly move the subject along onto something else entirely....gee, now I wonder why that could be?

[Monker]

monker, where do you get off saying such quotes as you said to ohsherrie, unbeliveable.

What is unbelievable is that Perry signed into some kinda 'no competition' clause. What is also 'unbelievable is that three years ago Perry fans on the VH1 forum were going about insisting that it was five years...and then they now change it to seven.

It is an invented story that is being put forth as if there is something credible to it - there isn't.

Everything I said had some 'rumor' behind it. There was a 'rumor' that Perry had AIDS. There was a rumor that Perry took female hormones to keep his voice so high. There was a 'rumor' that he had throat cancer. There was a 'rumor' during TBF that he was abducted by aliens. I threw in the light sensitivity thing for Styx/DDY fans.

The TRUTH is that everything I said has as much factual basis as this crazy 'no competition' clause.

maybe you were the one that was abducted by aliens, and you're brain stayed with them.

what would I do with a brain if I had one?

of course there are always other possiblities. of steve p. but steve a. was working at a shoe store??? I think he needs to go back.

Maybe he will...as soon as Perry goes back to the turkey farm.

It really is none of our business about why, and how all of it came about with steve a. I saw the look on steve a.'s face at the walk of fame, and he looked pretty uncomfortable around steve p. the real voice of Journey.

so what? Augeri's is in the band now. I don't care how comfortable he is with Perry. I care how he entertains ME on stage and on album...Under those conditions he does an awesome job...much better then Perry did on ROR or TBF and all of those Journey tours from 1987 thru 1995.

I don't believe that steve a. should have gotten anything from that, it should have been just the real journey yes including ansley dunbar, and gregg rollie, and the rest. Not steve a. besides what has he done except sing the old songs that Neal and Steve p. wrote together, along with Jonathan c.

He has allowed Journey to continue on touring and recording new albums for the fans. If you are not one of them, what should I care? What should Augeri care? It's YOUr choice, not ours. But, to say he has done 'nothing' is far from the truth.

If steve a. was that good he should start writing his own stuff, instead of standing out on stage acting like a fool and trying to sing the way steve p. does, or did. Steve p. will always be the voice of Journey, NOBODY else can fill his shoes or his voice.

Maybe for you nobody can replace Perry...but for MANY others, it has already happened...If that were not true, Journey could not tour or release new albums.

[PROPERRY]

Regardless of what Perry OR Augeri did BEFORE they joined Journey

No, it's not "regardless".
Not so fast.
Don't change the subject.
Maci wanted to bring up the fact that Augeri was making an honest (albeit less than dignified) wage before joining Journey, and so we are now going to talk about that. Is that alright? Maci want to go there and she brought it up so now let's discuss it. Ok?
She wanted to use that fact to further her argument and so as a rebuttal, I've submitted for consideration the fact that Perry was doing the same line of lowly work before joining Journey.

Seems to me everytime someone on here begins to prove a point, you come to the rescue and try to hurriedly move the subject along onto something else entirely....gee, now I wonder why that could be?

Ok, let's discuss what a hypocrit you are for all the times you've made negative remarks towards Perry here! It is funny how you can dish it out, but you can't take it! Gee, I wonder why that could be?

Personally I don't think that what Augeri OR Perry did for a living BEFORE they both joined Journey is a bad thing. It is not a bad mark towards either one of them for the kind of jobs they had at the time.

I JUST HAVE TO SAY THOUGH, I'M SO VERY HAPPY & THANKFUL FOR ALL OF US FANS THAT PERRY GOT SIGNED UP AS LEAD SINGER OF JOURNEY!!!!


Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ok, let's discuss what a hypocrit you are for all the times you've made negative remarks towards Perry here!

Go right ahead.
However, I don't see how that has anything to do with Steve Perry cleaning turkey droppings vs. Augeri scrubbing toilet bowls.
Maci brought up Augeri's 9-5 job, and so I rejoindered with the fact that Perry's pre-Journey years were equally as humble.

Why now the urgency to get off the subject?

More diversional tactics from Laura. So sad.
God forbid we stay on topic, right?
Here I am trying to remain on topic and actually have an open conversation as to what is currently being discussed and you are talking about things from another planet.
Nowhere in this thread did I make unfounded negative remarks about Steve Perry.
In fact, I defy you to find one.

It is funny how you can dish it out, but you can't take it!

Bring it on.

I JUST HAVE TO SAY THOUGH, I'M SO VERY HAPPY & THANKFUL FOR ALL OF US FANS THAT PERRY GOT SIGNED UP AS LEAD SINGER OF JOURNEY!!!!

Me too.

[jrnyman28]

monker, where do you get off saying such quotes as you said to ohsherrie, unbeliveable. maybe you were the one that was abducted by aliens, and you're brain stayed with them.

I believe the point is that we ALL have the right to speak or opinions.

but steve a. was working at a shoe store??? I think he needs to go back.

First, it was a clothing chain. He was in maitenance operations for a district of GAP Clothing Stores. In the same way that Perry felt it was time to abandon the music business and he went to a turkey farm, Steve felt it was time to abandon the music business and he went to the GAP. BIG DEAL! But I don't see why he should go back. He is doing very well for himself. There ARE a lot of fans who like/love/adore him. He is doing what he loves to do (if you can make a living doing the things you love than you are very fortunate person). Just because you (and several others) don't like him is of no consequence to him and it bears no weight in his decisions in how he should spend his life.

It really is none of our business about why, and how all of it came about with steve a.

Why not? It is an interesting story how Journey "found" Steve. And I think Journey fans can know.

I saw the look on steve a.'s face at the walk of fame, and he looked pretty uncomfortable around steve p. the real voice of Journey.

I think he was 'cautious' but not uncomfortable. I think he was honored and pleased that Perry was there. And I think your use of the term "real voice of Journey" is just YOUR opinion. Do not supplant it onto Steve.

I don't believe that steve a. should have gotten anything from that, it should have been just the real journey yes including ansley dunbar, and gregg rollie, and the rest. Not steve a.

How can you draw the line as to WHO deserves the award.? ALL members of Journey deserve the award. If Steve (and Deen) did not join Journey than the fans of Journey would not have petitioned of the award. Therefore, if Steve was not a part of Journey than Journey would not have recieved the award. And again, your use of "real" is insulting to Journey and their fans!

besides what has he done except sing the old songs that Neal and Steve p. wrote together, along with Jonathan c.

Steve has breathed new life into old songs. He has reorded Arrival and RED13 and he is a major contributor to the songs for the new CD. Steve has helped bring Journey back to the public and allowed us to continue our love affair with their music.

If steve a. was that good he should start writing his own stuff, instead of standing out on stage acting like a fool and trying to sing the way steve p. does, or did.

There is NOTHING foolish about his stage presence. He shares similarities vocally with Perry but he does not really sing like him. Steve has his own voice, now more than ever. He IS writing, a lot. Whether he writes for himself or for Journey is irrelevant.

I have no problem if you don't like/accept Steve....but do not try and pass him off as untalented...that is ridiculous!

Steve p. will always be the voice of Journey, NOBODY else can fill his shoes or his voice.

Perry is no longer the voice of anything...he has chosen that. And Perry has his OWN damn shoes, he does not need to try and 'fill' those red Nike's.

[PROPERRY]

Ok, let's discuss what a hypocrit you are for all the times you've made negative remarks towards Perry here!

Go right ahead.
However, I don't see how that has anything to do with Steve Perry cleaning turkey droppings vs. Augeri scrubbing toilet bowls.
Maci brought up Augeri's 9-5 job, and so I rejoindered with the fact that Perry's pre-Journey years were equally as humble.

Why now the urgency to get off the subject?

More diversional tactics from Laura. So sad.
God forbid we stay on topic, right?
Here I am trying to remain on topic and actually have an open conversation as to what is currently being discussed and you are talking about things from another planet.
Nowhere in this thread did I make unfounded negative remarks about Steve Perry.
In fact, I defy you to find one.

It is funny how you can dish it out, but you can't take it!

Bring it on.

I JUST HAVE TO SAY THOUGH, I'M SO VERY HAPPY & THANKFUL FOR ALL OF US FANS THAT PERRY GOT SIGNED UP AS LEAD SINGER OF JOURNEY!!!!

Me too.

It is understandable why YOU would rather keep talking about Augeri's previous job (cleaning toilet bowls), than focus on his current job & admit that AFTER 7 years of Augeri being in the band, he still has NOT made his OWN mark in Journey OR the music business.

I guess that is probaly the reason why you brought the Augeri Debate Topic to the board.

While the facts are that Steve Perry is the ONE who brought the SUCCESS to Journey (Neal's own words), and Perry is still LOVED & WANTED,even though he has been gone from the band for years!!!



And jrnyman, you say that without Augeri & Deen there would have been no award."

What you fail to understand that IF Steve Perry had NOT been in the band, Journey would NOT have been successful!

Remember it was "Perry who brought the success to the band". That is what Neal stated that in BHTM, so with that said, it is BECAUSE OF PERRY & the success he brought to the band that Augeri & Deen were recieving an award in the first place!!!

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

It is understandable why YOU would rather keep talking about Augeri's previous job (cleaning toilet bowls),

Yeah, because that was the topic being discussed in this thread and unlike you, I don’t shy away from certain topics. Maci brought up Augeri’s previous line of work (as if it were something to be ashamed of) and so I said “well, let’s discuss that”. Her point was rendered moot by the simple submission of the fact that Steve Perry too, at one time, engaged in lowly work before joining Journey. Of course, rather than intelligently discuss the apparent fact that both lead singers stem from humble beginnings and share many similarities, you choose to indulge in the tactics of divisiveness, hatred, and distraction by swiftly changing the subject.

admit that AFTER 7 years of Augeri being in the band, he still has NOT made his OWN mark in Journey OR the music business.

The guy has made his own mark on Journey.
Go see a concert.
The man owns the stage and works a crowd like no other.
For seven years now he has sung with heart and soul, doing the classics justice and yet making them his very own, too.
More importantly, he has done what was thought to be absolutely impossible; replace a legend.

I guess that is probaly the reason why you brought the Augeri Debate Topic to the board.

I posted the Augeri debate thread because this is a melodic rock website and I wanted to discuss what other melodic rock performers are out there that have the vocal chops for a band of Journey’s stature. I don't see why this is hard to comprehend. The thread discussed potential candidates that Neal & Jon could’ve considered such as Eric Martin or Kevin Chalfant or the guy from Queensynchre.
Believe it or not, other singers do exist in the world besides Steve Perry.

While the facts are that Steve Perry is the ONE who brought the SUCCESS to Journey (Neal's own words), and Perry is still LOVED & WANTED,even though he has been gone from the band for years!!!

This is the part that non plussed me the very most.
Sure, Perry is "loved" and "wanted".
(Contrary to what you may think, he is loved and missed by many current lineup fans, as well.)
But, what is your point?
Last time I checked, Steve Perry is responsible for his own actions and as of now, the man doesn’t want to sing for us.
So while he may remain "loved" and "wanted" to this day, he evidently doesn't want to oblige his fans desires anymore by singing to them.

But, how is this Neal's fault? or Augeri's? or Jon's?
Pray, do tell, how is that anyone’s fault except for Stephen Ray Perry?


Your anger is misguided.

[Abitaman]

THIS IS AS QIUTED FROM SOMEONE-"that AFTER 7 years of Augeri being in the band, he still has NOT made his OWN mark in Journey OR the music business.

I guess that is probaly the reason why you brought the Augeri Debate Topic to the board.

While the facts are that Steve Perry is the ONE who brought the SUCCESS to Journey (Neal's own words), and Perry is still LOVED & WANTED,even though he has been gone from the band for years!!!

What you fail to understand that IF Steve Perry had NOT been in the band, Journey would NOT have been successful!

Remember it was "Perry who brought the success to the band". That is what Neal stated that in BHTM, so with that said, it is BECAUSE OF PERRY & the success he brought to the band that Augeri & Deen were recieving an award in the first place!!! "-end of qoute






Steve Perry did bring succes to the band. Would Journey have been successful without Perry? I do not know and no one else knows! RF was never really given a chance, so we will never know.

No one is trying to take away what is Perry's success with the band. But Perry and Schon both have parted ways. He is no longer a part of Journey's present or maybe future. Right now that belongs to the current line up.

Have you listened to Augeri's two Journey cds? Really listened to them, or did you start slamming them with the first beat of music, and not shut up enough to hear what was going on. Have you listened to Augeri's two cds before Journey-Tall Stories and Shine? I'll put them over FTLOSM anyday. If you haven't listened to them do, but do not past judgment until you have.
I don't think anyone on this board, who is a Augeri fan, is saying that Perry sucked, or was lousy, or anything like that. I am not. I have always said that Perry is the voice of rock, but he he not singing anymore. And he is no longer the leader of Journey. It's time to let someone else take over. Give Augeri a chance. I thought Perry's first 3 Journey cds were good (B would be the highest grade I give them), but it wasn't until after that (when Cain came aboard) that Journey became superstars,a nd I really liked them. Augeri has 2 cds so far, give him and the band time-ERIC

[Eric]

Maci,

So Dunbar deserves a star but Augeri doesn't? What about Castronovo? I mean, I'm all for being stricter on something like this....but to suggest Dunbar get a star and Augeri doesn't shows total bias and no logic. A PRO for Augeri getting a star is that he has fronted this current version, which has kept Journey in the ACTIVE light. A CON would be he hasn't written enough material for them YET....

PROPERRY,

You said "That Cain+Schon HELPED Perry write?"
How about Perry helped Cain write is more like it. Come on....do you think we're all new here...Cain was the ballad master/hit maker for Journey...Rolie and Schon started Journey and gave them rock cred, Perry gave them the voice and Cain gave them the big hits.....simple as that...

[ohsherrie]

What is unbelievable is that Perry signed into some kinda 'no competition' clause. What is also 'unbelievable is that three years ago Perry fans on the VH1 forum were going about insisting that it was five years...and then they now change it to seven.

As I remember it on the VH1 board, it was at the time that five yrs had passed and we were discussing the POSSIBILITY of there having been such a clause. No one, to my knowledge, has ever said there WAS such a clause whether for 5 or 7 yrs. I do know however that no one from faux Journey disputed it when they were asked about it. Instead they posted an elaborately elusive "no comment". That just fueled the speculation that they were hiding something.

I don't know about you but where I come from business contracts that include certain consessions from the parties involved in order to come to an agreement are a lot more common than alien abductions.


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Cain was the ballad master/hit maker for Journey

But Eric, why has he not been able to do so without Steve? I agree that the combination of Perry/Cain was songwriting magic, but then Steve also had successful collaborations for hits on Street Talk, whereas Jon hasn't been able to do anything of note for the current band. I also don't understand discounting "Lights" and "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin" that come from the pre-Cain days. Even though Escape was their most successful album that doesn't necessarily mean none of the songs on the previous three albums were hit worthy. In fact, I still hear those two songs on the radio as often as the songs from Escape.

[Monker]

As I remember it on the VH1 board, it was at the time that five yrs had passed and we were discussing the POSSIBILITY of there having been such a clause.

LOL...you guys were making up all kinds of things to support this bogus theory..just as you are now. You ignored all of the contrary evidence, just as you do now. There is simply no evidence that it exists. The people who want to believe in some weird conspiracy theory alloy their imagination to fill in the blanks to make it 'possible', when it isn't.

I do know however that no one from faux Journey disputed it when they were asked about it. Instead they posted an elaborately elusive "no comment". That just fueled the speculation that they were hiding something.

Of course they didn't comment on it - SINCE IT IS A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO COMMENT ON!

I don't know about you but where I come from business contracts that include certain consessions from the parties involved in order to come to an agreement are a lot more common than alien abductions.

At least there are people who claim to be abducted. Name one artist in the history of the music itself that had such a clause in their contracts. In fact, name one person who signed such an agreement when they LEFT their place of employment...if you can, they must be wearing a dunce cap, because they did something VERY stupid. "I quit...But, I'll sing this document that says I can't work for any competing company..." Dumb, dumb, dumb.

I agree that the combination of Perry/Cain was songwriting magic, but then Steve also had successful collaborations for hits on Street Talk

Oh, please. The songs Cain wrote for Bad English alone equate what Perry did on Street Talk.

whereas Jon hasn't been able to do anything of note for the current band.

And, Perry's FTLOSM wasn't very noteworthy either.

I also don't understand discounting "Lights" and "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin" that come from the pre-Cain days. Even though Escape was their most successful album that doesn't necessarily mean none of the songs on the previous three albums were hit worthy. In fact, I still hear those two songs on the radio as often as the songs from Escape.

That is no different then saying that Arrival's songs were 'hit worthy'. The bottom line is that neither the pre-Escape Journey nor the Augeri led Journey burned up the charts like the Escape/Fronteirs Journey. That is a fact. You just don't want to accept it for the pre-Escape Journey since it would mean that Perry was not THE reason for ALL of Journey's success.

[PROPERRY]

It is understandable why YOU would rather keep talking about Augeri's previous job (cleaning toilet bowls),

Yeah, because that was the topic being discussed in this thread and unlike you, I don’t shy away from certain topics. Maci brought up Augeri’s previous line of work (as if it were something to be ashamed of) and so I said “well, let’s discuss that”. Her point was rendered moot by the simple submission of the fact that Steve Perry too, at one time, engaged in lowly work before joining Journey. Of course, rather than intelligently discuss the apparent fact that both lead singers stem from humble beginnings and share many similarities, you choose to indulge in the tactics of divisiveness, hatred, and distraction by swiftly changing the subject.

admit that AFTER 7 years of Augeri being in the band, he still has NOT made his OWN mark in Journey OR the music business.

The guy has made his own mark on Journey.
Go see a concert.
The man owns the stage and works a crowd like no other.
For seven years now he has sung with heart and soul, doing the classics justice and yet making them his very own, too.
More importantly, he has done what was thought to be absolutely impossible; replace a legend.

I guess that is probaly the reason why you brought the Augeri Debate Topic to the board.

I posted the Augeri debate thread because this is a melodic rock website and I wanted to discuss what other melodic rock performers are out there that have the vocal chops for a band of Journey’s stature. I don't see why this is hard to comprehend. The thread discussed potential candidates that Neal & Jon could’ve considered such as Eric Martin or Kevin Chalfant or the guy from Queensynchre.
Believe it or not, other singers do exist in the world besides Steve Perry.

While the facts are that Steve Perry is the ONE who brought the SUCCESS to Journey (Neal's own words), and Perry is still LOVED & WANTED,even though he has been gone from the band for years!!!

This is the part that non plussed me the very most.
Sure, Perry is "loved" and "wanted".
(Contrary to what you may think, he is loved and missed by many current lineup fans, as well.)
But, what is your point?
Last time I checked, Steve Perry is responsible for his own actions and as of now, the man doesn’t want to sing for us.
So while he may remain "loved" and "wanted" to this day, he evidently doesn't want to oblige his fans desires anymore by singing to them.

But, how is this Neal's fault? or Augeri's? or Jon's?
Pray, do tell, how is that anyone’s fault except for Stephen Ray Perry?


Your anger is misguided.

NC,

I did NOT shy away from the topic, OR change the subject at all. Neither did I respond with a hateful remark. You did NOT read my FIRST RESPONSE!

I RESPONDED in a POSITIVE MANNER that CLEARLY STATED that I did NOT think that whatever kind of jobs Augeri OR Perry had BEFORE they joined Journey that it was NOT a bad thing, OR a bad mark towards either one of them.

I actually was defending BOTH Augeri & Perry about whatever jobs they held BEFORE joining Journey, SO GO BACK & READ MY FIRST RESPONSE!


Although I still think it is quite funny that you would prefer to keep this conversation on the subject of where Augeri previously worked ( I don't know where Augeri worked before joining Journey).

I'm only going by what YOU said (NC) that Augeri cleaned toilet bowls. It is YOU (NC) that keeps running away from the topic of conversatiion. Again, it is clearly understandable why you would rather keep talking about Augeri's other job, than his CURRENT job.

I guess it is just too tough of a discussion for you to handle, so you rather divert the conversation to Augeri's previous job, than discuss the the REAL truth that Augeri has NOT made his OWN MARK in Journey OR the music business!


And for EVERYONE ELSE HERE, I HAVE SEEN Augeri/Journey in concert before, so yes, I gave AUGERI an opportunity to show me his own talents. He was ok!

I've seen Steve Perry in concert 3 times with Journey! Steve Perry was Fantastic!!!

As for "your poor misguided thought" NC, that "I'm angry" at Perry because he isn't singing, I have always supported him & will continue to support Perry for whatever choice he makes in his life. Perry is & always will be my favorite singer, no matter what he does!!!!!

However, what has made "me angry" is that YOU & SOME others here don't allow for others to speak their opinions & views that are DIFFERENT from your own.


Lori

[Eric]

ohsherrie,

You bring up good points....BUT:

1) Release Arrival with Augeri in the mid 80's and it is a hit. Release Escape in 2000-2005 with Perry and its not a hit. My point is......Perry couldn't even will Journey to a hit album I don't think - the public just isn't buying albums from older bands in MOST cases...ALTHOUGH a label may actually support a reunion so I could be a little wrong...

2) Cain did have hit magic with both the Babys and Bad English - more so than Perry had with Street Talk and didn't have with FTLOSM

3) The Pre-Cain rock songs are arguablys Journey's best, and still the most played on rock radio...BUT....they weren't the massive hits that propelled Journey to the top of the pop charts in the 80's....I don't think you would even give Journey credit if they had songs that charted like Wheel in the Sky and albums that initially sold like Infinity...I really don't think you guys would say "good Job" if Journey's new release sold a million - I think it would be more like "Well, TBF sold 1.2".

[The_Noble_Cause]

Although I still think it is quite funny that you would prefer to keep this conversation on the subject of where Augeri previously worked ( I don't know where Augeri worked before joining Journey).

I'm only going by what YOU said (NC) that Augeri cleaned toilet bowls. It is YOU (NC) that keeps running away from the topic of conversatiion. Again, it is clearly understandable why you would rather keep talking about Augeri's other job, than his CURRENT job.

I guess it is just too tough of a discussion for you to handle, so you rather divert the conversation to Augeri's previous job, than discuss the the REAL truth that Augeri has NOT made his OWN MARK in Journey OR the music business!

I did respond to this topic already in my post above.

As I already stated....

The guy HAS made his own mark on Journey.
Go see a concert.
The man owns the stage and works a crowd like no other.
For seven years now he has sung with heart and soul, doing the classics justice and yet making them his very own, too.
More importantly, he has done what was thought to be absolutely impossible; replace a legend

I really don't know what more you exactly want from me.
I am happy that the band chose to continue to make music (in the studio and on the road) and you are clearly not.
Ok.
We get it.
You girlies are a broken record.

As for "your poor misguided thought" NC, that "I'm angry" at Perry because he isn't singing, I have always supported him & will continue to support Perry for whatever choice he makes in his life. Perry is & always will be my favorite singer, no matter what he does!!!!!

That's great.
Now go support your idol's concious decision to not sing for this band anymore and leave the fans of the current lineup alone.
Why do you take Steve Perry's actions out on Neal & Jon and their fans?
Doesn't make one lick of sense to me.

However, what has made "me angry" is that YOU & SOME others here don't allow for others to speak their opinions & views that are DIFFERENT from your own.

Not once have I ever attempted to prohibit anyone from espousing their own well informed point of view.
However, if you come here and lie, and attempt to pass off BS as truth, then I am going to call you on it.
Everyone is entitled not so much to their own opinion, but to their own "well informed" opinion.
People seem to forget that nowadays.

Stating that Neal and Co. made Perry sign a contract forbidding him from making new music is a lie and those who persist in propagating it are nothing more than dirty ass liars.
Yup, I said it.
Deal with it.

[PROPERRY]

Although I still think it is quite funny that you would prefer to keep this conversation on the subject of where Augeri previously worked ( I don't know where Augeri worked before joining Journey).

I'm only going by what YOU said (NC) that Augeri cleaned toilet bowls. It is YOU (NC) that keeps running away from the topic of conversatiion. Again, it is clearly understandable why you would rather keep talking about Augeri's other job, than his CURRENT job.

I guess it is just too tough of a discussion for you to handle, so you rather divert the conversation to Augeri's previous job, than discuss the the REAL truth that Augeri has NOT made his OWN MARK in Journey OR the music business!

I did respond to this topic already in my post above.

As I already stated....

The guy HAS made his own mark on Journey.
Go see a concert.
The man owns the stage and works a crowd like no other.
For seven years now he has sung with heart and soul, doing the classics justice and yet making them his very own, too.
More importantly, he has done what was thought to be absolutely impossible; replace a legend

I really don't know what more you exactly want from me.
I am happy that the band chose to continue to make music (in the studio and on the road) and you are clearly not.
Ok.
We get it.
You girlies are a broken record.

As for "your poor misguided thought" NC, that "I'm angry" at Perry because he isn't singing, I have always supported him & will continue to support Perry for whatever choice he makes in his life. Perry is & always will be my favorite singer, no matter what he does!!!!!

That's great.
Now go support your idol's concious decision to not sing for this band anymore and leave the fans of the current lineup alone.
Why do you take Steve Perry's actions out on Neal & Jon and their fans?
Doesn't make one lick of sense to me.

However, what has made "me angry" is that YOU & SOME others here don't allow for others to speak their opinions & views that are DIFFERENT from your own.

Not once have I ever attempted to prohibit anyone from espousing their own well informed point of view.
However, if you come here and lie, and attempt to pass off BS as truth, then I am going to call you on it.
Everyone is entitled not so much to their own opinion, but to their own "well informed" opinion.
People seem to forget that nowadays.

Stating that Neal and Co. made Perry sign a contract forbidding him from making new music is a lie and those who persist in propagating it are nothing more than dirty ass liars.
Yup, I said it.
Deal with it.

NC,

That is exactly what I'm talking about here, when you don't like the opinions of another poster, then you resort to name calling & telling people to go away!

Maybe you should learn to take your own advice & "Deal with it".

Also, I never stated or talked about anywhere in my posts about "Neal & Co making Perry sign a contract.....", so don't know what you are talking about there???


Lori

[yak]

Ok, let's discuss what a hypocrit you are for all the times you've made negative remarks towards Perry here!

And one of (the many of) your buddies, with whom you consistently so aptly agree, has equated Steve Augeri's looks with those of an ugly and gross character by the name Tiny Tim. There is no comparison, and the comments made were mean spirited and uncalled for, and as desperate as the day is long.

But we can't discuss that, now can we? That's not a negative remark, now is it?

It is funny how you can dish it out, but you can't take it!

HUH?????

Pot...kettle...black....... :lol:

I JUST HAVE TO SAY THOUGH, I'M SO VERY HAPPY & THANKFUL FOR ALL OF US FANS THAT PERRY GOT SIGNED UP AS LEAD SINGER OF JOURNEY!!!!

Live in the past if you like. Be my guest.....

[PROPERRY]

Ok, let's discuss what a hypocrit you are for all the times you've made negative remarks towards Perry here!

And one of (the many of) your buddies, with whom you consistently so aptly agree, has equated Steve Augeri's looks with those of an ugly and gross character by the name Tiny Tim. There is no comparison, and the comments made were mean spirited and uncalled for, and as desperate as the day is long.

But we can't discuss that, now can we? That's not a negative remark, now is it?

It is funny how you can dish it out, but you can't take it!

HUH?????

Pot...kettle...black....... :lol:

I JUST HAVE TO SAY THOUGH, I'M SO VERY HAPPY & THANKFUL FOR ALL OF US FANS THAT PERRY GOT SIGNED UP AS LEAD SINGER OF JOURNEY!!!!

Live in the past if you like. Be my guest.....

What do I care that somebody else thought that Augeri looked like Tiny Tim. I didn't make the remark that YOU feel is so offensive, so take it up with that person.

You & NC sure have a lot in common. Maybe you should also take NC's own advice & learn to "deal with it" too.

Lori

[perryfaithful]

[quote="Eric"]

2) Cain did have hit magic with both the Babys and Bad English - more so than Perry had with Street Talk

Interesting info from the "H" man....Herbie Herbert re Street Talk

It went double platinum in America.  At the time (it was) the second most successful solo album by an artist leaving a major group - second only to Bella Donna by Stevie Nicks.  Whether it's Daryl Hall and John Oates, or the members of Pink Floyd, or the members of the Cars, or the members of Foreigner, or the members of Boston - every guy that ever tried a solo album - it was just a prescription for failure.  No way.  Stevie Nicks and Steve Perry were the only ones that were successful.

[The_Noble_Cause]

NC,

That is exactly what I'm talking about here, when you don't like the opinions of another poster, then you resort to name calling & telling people to go away!

Firstly, you don't have "opinions" you have ONE opinion and that is, that Journey without Perry sucks and needs to be destroyed at all costs.

Secondly, I didn't call you any derogatory names. I called you "girlies". Oh boy, what an insult! Suck it up you big dumb baby (See? Now that's an insult! )

Thirdly, why on earth shouldn't I tell you to go away?

-Cut the crap.
You know as well as I do that the only reason you are here is to ensure the certainty of argument, and to halt anything that in your eyes even begins to take the form of civil discussion.
In other words, you're trolling.

As Monker so aptly put it.....

[this forum] is used for the attempted destruction of anything Journey, and people defending the band, or attacking Perry in response.

I can play that game...But, the others who come here to go down that road should not PRETEND that they are here for a civil discusion - because they are not..and they will not get one from me.