My First Year as New Journey Manager

[Argus]

I wish someone could conjure up that transcript. I used to see him in there all the time but totally missed that now-legendary episode.

The guy is a flat-out TREAT.

Which one? the NS vs Fan "adult beverage and a massage" or the JSS vs poster/reviewer one?

[Red13JoePa]

The Neal one. I saw the JSS one, happened right here in Andrew's noticeboard.
I wanna see Neal inflicting the damage that the lucky few who saw always talk about like bunker Hill or something. Neal's decidedly less PC than Soto, less Marquess Of Queensbury....

[heardonthestreet]

AND I can tell you this much right now: They will NEVER be as popular without Perry on board. That is not an opinion, that is fact. Augeri might be well-liked among some fans, and that's great. But many people view him as Perry II. They want the real thing. I'm not saying Augeri isn't real in his own way, just that Journey built its commercial legacy on Perry's voice, not Augeri's, and they see him as a facsimile, and they feel cheated.

Flame me all you want, but it's the truth.

I would love to post a response to you, but I can't stop laughing at you..You are a pathetic loser, who's only option is to tear down something, because you have nothing you can tout. It's just not you, but ALL the Perry whackos on here....see, THIS IS THE TRUTH..they have nothing they can applaud right now..oh, sorry, that background vocal classic by the Man... sorry I forgot that..anyway, so Journey is popular enough to be able to tear it down, and that's what they try to do..It really is depressing to see..PF is flatout deranged. Oh Sherrie is losing it fast..HOTS? haven't seen that guy in weeks, so maybe he gave up..PROPERRY, same story..Soledad, I don't know what gender you are, but you might as well go sleep on the freeway..your arguments are so weak, and narrow sighted...I just can't but help feel sorry for you..

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A lot of us are just tired of kicking a dead horse, Deano.

I applaud Classic Journey as do most Journey fans. I applaud the talent of the guys back then. R.I.P. I say enjoy newly released material on Classic Journey and enjoy the wonderful past.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I saw the JSS one, happened right here in Andrew's noticeboard.

Hi Joe.
They JSS altercation in question wasn't the one on the Noticeboard, it was one on BT. The BT mods quickly deleted it. If I remember correctly, in the thread, Monker was suggesting that JSS be held accountable for his outburst the same way all BT users are; being quickly and unceremoniously banned.
Even though the outburst was deleted, I posted it here on the forums for people to discuss. I have tried looking thru the archives to retrieve it, but it seems gone now. Monker will confirm what I said hopefully.

[The_Noble_Cause]

A lot of us are just tired of kicking a dead horse, Deano.

Ok. Then move on with your lives and stop doing it. Pretty simple.

I applaud Classic Journey as do most Journey fans.

Me included (excluding ROR, of course )

I applaud the talent of the guys back then.

What's wrong with continuing to embrace and appreciate the guys' collective talent?
Did Jon and Neal forget how to play music overnight?
What did I miss?

R.I.P.

R.I.P. to what?
The manifestation of any new music or tours from Perry?
In that case, yes, you'd be correct.

I say enjoy newly released material on Classic Journey and enjoy the wonderful past.

How about I do both?
Fondly cherish the past and continue to enjoy the future.

[Marabelle]

certainly i think we should all do that and embrace what we have as well as what we haven't any longer.

[Fernando Ramirez]

The thing is its abiout the music and sometimes you have to be careful not to go to far from your roots and loose your connection

Today my main problem with the music is its sort of like a factory production line and its all about the looks.

Perhaps a sexy female singer would draw some more male attention
These days the record companies take someone with appeal dress them up and sell them
Its getting harder to find the real musical talents.

Today its all bright lights smoke & mirrors

Some of us are beyond that
We want the heart n soul
We know what they want and won't allow them to sell us anything less

I don't think a female singer would be the answer. Believe me, I tried visualizing INXS with one of those female contestants, and it just didn't work.

I really wish someone would come out with a record label that does the opposite of all the other labels... hires older, established talent and lets them explore their creativity. I mean, we know what younger talent can do, because that's all that's hired nowadays. Imagine if you get that same talent 30-35 years later... during that time, they've worked on their art... they've been able to grow as artists... and now can produce truly stellar work that has been framed with maturity because of all their years of experience.

I've read that in Japan, maturity is revered. Here in America, it's boxed and put on the shelf!

[Rockindeano]

I've read that in Japan, maturity is revered. Here in America, it's boxed and put on the shelf!

So? Japan might make a better CD player, but the US won the War. I think I'll go with the Americans on this one.

[Shadowsong]

I think it all comes down to the good ole amercian greenback.
Youth sells
I haven't done a survey but I would surmise
its the younger generation that is doing the buying

The older generation already has a vast catalog og music and most are set inthere musical tastes.
Also the young are more impressinable and buy music on sort of package appeal. The music labels are not going to invest in older performers
who won;t draw the attention of the younger generation and the music will end up on the shelf collecting dust


Plain and simple capitalism and ecomomics
Nothing to do with the quality of the music
Thats why I would not want to be involved with music today

So we are lucky that Sony and whomever are allowing production of DVDs such as
Escape Houston Live 81.
It seems to have been a success so far
Last I read it was #9 on Billboard
So it goes to show
we got to keep our voices heard loud and clear
there is still a place for the over 25 music generation

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Shadowsong says:

I think it all comes down to the good ole amercian greenback.
Youth sells
I haven't done a survey but I would surmise
its the younger generation that is doing the buying

I personally think it's the people ages 35-45 that are doing a lot of the buying. Survey's were done, according to music and it's that age group. Here in the Milwaukee area, Summerfest was re-vamped and geared to those people with the money. Most of the bands/artists that performed were the bands from the 70's and 80's, not any of the newer acts.

Also, it's "us", I'm in that group, that are buying for our kids too. My oldest son who is 9, prefers more of the Classic Rock instead of the music of today.

Shadowsong says:

Last I read it was #9 on Billboard
So it goes to show
we got to keep our voices heard loud and clear
there is still a place for the over 25 music generation

On Billboard Charts it's at #10, only one week on, which I think is GREAT!!! Hopefully it will keep climbing up

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/c ... sic+Videos

10 Live in Houston 1981 - The Escape Tour
Columbia Music Video | 54153 Rating - Wks On 1

[Rockindeano]

Come on Shadow, pull your head out of your ass.

NO kids BUY anything.

It's called ripping tunes from the Web....

[Shadowsong]

Excuse me?
What no bear's ass...
Now, I am disappointed

[Rockindeano]

Excuse me?
What no bear's ass...
Now, I am disappointed

Haha..

Let's move on shall we?

[Shadowsong]

Escape Houston Live was at 9 this past week
Guess it dropped a point
Heck top 10 aint bad

[Fernando Ramirez]

I think it all comes down to the good ole amercian greenback.
Youth sells
I haven't done a survey but I would surmise
its the younger generation that is doing the buying

Maybe only the younger generation is buying because they're the only ones being catered to? There's an untapped market here.

There's record company thinking for you... ass backwards. They stop catering to the fans when they grow up and start really making money. That's how stupid they really are.

Look no further than digital distribution. Technology changed, the people embraced it, and the record companies started crying because they were bypassed. I called NAPSTER and MORPHEUS market correction, because they were giving the people something they wanted: music on their computers, music in a format they wanted, music on a song by song basis. I mean, look at the success of Itunes now. It's what the market wanted, it's not what the record companies wanted. That's why they're crying like bitches about wanting to raise the prices of Itunes.

Anyway, older performers (like Journey is now) are not going to get the support that the BACKSTREET BOYS do... they have nowhere to go!

[Fernando Ramirez]

So? Japan might make a better CD player, but the US won the War. I think I'll go with the Americans on this one.

What are you saying here, Deano? Are you saying you don't think America should revere maturity the way Japan does? Are you saying you LIKE that older bands (like JOURNEY) are essentially blown off by the record companies because they're younger?

I'm saying that if ageism didn't exist in the music industry, then JOURNEY would be promoted. If American record companies can adopt the cool attitude the Japanese appear to have about old people, then maybe folks like you and me could get some great melodic rock.

[Rockindeano]

Fernando, hi.

I was being a smart ass and trying to throw a little humour in there with the war analogy, but my real point was, in the States, Youth is strong, and vibrant....

No, I don't like it that Journey is getting blown off by current radio, but the more I think about it, maybe Journey doesn't want that crap anymore..all the popularity can be exhausting...

They made their money....They are afforded the opportunity to cruise now...

[Fernando Ramirez]

Fernando, hi.

I was being a smart ass and trying to throw a little humour in there with the war analogy, but my real point was, in the States, Youth is strong, and vibrant....

No, I don't like it that Journey is getting blown off by current radio, but the more I think about it, maybe Journey doesn't want that crap anymore..all the popularity can be exhausting...

They made their money....They are afforded the opportunity to cruise now...

Okay, thanks for responding. I understand now.

So what are you going to do for your second year as manager?

[Rockindeano]

Okay, thanks for responding. I understand now.

So what are you going to do for your second year as manager?

Oh believe me, I have ideas for 2006......

Need to talk to the band..They are starting to get a little tired I think.



Who resurrected this old thread? I guess a true classic stands the test of time eh?

Ok, a sneak peek of my second year as manager...

I get the boys passports

[Shadowsong]

Oh believe me, I have ideas for 2006......

Need to talk to the band..They are starting to get a little tired I think.



Who resurrected this old thread? I guess a true classic stands the test of time eh?

Ok, a sneak peek of my second year as manager...

I get the boys passports

Guilty


Passports
Yea..get them boys a ticket to down under
though I don't know if they ever even toured there
but the plane trip can be a real pain in the ass


Had to get a ass in here somewhere

[Rockindeano]

Good job..I appreciate your effort.

[heardonthestreet]

Finally, Neal got involved in a heated discussion with a Perryhead who was attacking him for things "we" fans no little about and Neal blew up! Neal completely went off, which was wrong, but warranted based on the abuse he was dealing with. That was pretty much the end of any fan interaction on BT.

I would love to read that exchange! Do you remember any details?

Not really, but that is the infamous "Get a Life" post from Neal. A Perryhead was attacking Neal for everything that happened, blaming Neal for what happened with Perry. He told the person that s/he really had no clue about what happened and that s/he needed to get a life. That is all I really remember about it. But the exchange went back and forth for several posts in the thread.

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I bet that LAWomen has a handle on this. I was at BT at the time and I remember her posting that she would love to have some kind of contact with Neal, even if it was to get yelled at. It was pretty funny.

[ohsherrie]

Oh Sherrie is losing it fast....

I know I'm way behind on this thread. It looks like it became really interesting. I wish I'd kept up with it. I would just like to know what it is that I'm losing?




Oh, and by the way, I was there when Neal lost it with Perrymissing. From his point of view I guess he may have had reason to be upset, but the language and tone of his response was unnecessarily harsh. He pushed several fans that were on the fence regarding the Perry vs the band situation to the Perry side with that post simply because he came across so crudely. That may be his style, and that may be OK with you if you're one of those people who think everything he does is excusable because he's a "Rock God", but he did some damage with it. I know I lost a lot of respect for him.

Steve Perry gets picked apart if he doesn't come across as candid enough in his communications. He's accused of offending Journey fans by being evasive, but it's OK for Neal to openly insult Jouney fans. Is there a double standard here?

It's all water under the bridge now though. I think most of us have moved on.

[Rockindeano]

Sherrie,

where did you get that quote?

I searched all 6 pages and cannot find it..

[ohsherrie]

It was from this thread Dean. I don't know which page. It came from a quote within a quote. I tried to find the original and couldn't.

But, what am I losing?

[Rockindeano]

It was from this thread Dean. I don't know which page. It came from a quote within a quote. I tried to find the original and couldn't.

But, what am I losing?

Have no idea...something smells here..I never said that.

[Monker]

Steve Perry gets picked apart if he doesn't come across as candid enough in his communications. He's accused of offending Journey fans by being evasive, but it's OK for Neal to openly insult Jouney fans. Is there a double standard here?

Not from me. It wasn't right when Neal did. It wasn't right when JSS did it (and I even said so on BT). And, it isn't right when Perry does it.

There is never a good reason to insult fans.

And, I don't believe I specificaly "defended" what Neal said.

[ohsherrie]

AND I can tell you this much right now: They will NEVER be as popular without Perry on board. That is not an opinion, that is fact. Augeri might be well-liked among some fans, and that's great. But many people view him as Perry II. They want the real thing. I'm not saying Augeri isn't real in his own way, just that Journey built its commercial legacy on Perry's voice, not Augeri's, and they see him as a facsimile, and they feel cheated.

Flame me all you want, but it's the truth.

I would love to post a response to you, but I can't stop laughing at you..You are a pathetic loser, who's only option is to tear down something, because you have nothing you can tout. It's just not you, but ALL the Perry whackos on here....see, THIS IS THE TRUTH..they have nothing they can applaud right now..oh, sorry, that background vocal classic by the Man... sorry I forgot that..anyway, so Journey is popular enough to be able to tear it down, and that's what they try to do..It really is depressing to see..PF is flatout deranged. Oh Sherrie is losing it fast..HOTS? haven't seen that guy in weeks, so maybe he gave up..PROPERRY, same story..Soledad, I don't know what gender you are, but you might as well go sleep on the freeway..your arguments are so weak, and narrow sighted...I just can't but help feel sorry for you..

...........................................

A lot of us are just tired of kicking a dead horse, Deano.

I applaud Classic Journey as do most Journey fans. I applaud the talent of the guys back then. R.I.P. I say enjoy newly released material on Classic Journey and enjoy the wonderful past.

Here's the post that I got it from. It's OK though. I'm not upset or anything. I was just curious about what I might have lost.

[Marabelle]

Totally agree with Monker. I remember when Neal just lost it. Gosh, it was not a pretty site to see.

[jrnyman28]

Way back then is when I realized that Neal should NOT be the spokesperson for the band. Everyone wants to talk to Neal because "Journey is his band" or "Neal has been there since the beginning" or whatever. But somebody else should speak for the band.