Could it be Steve Augeri?

[Rockindeano]

Dude...are you off the deep end? Seriously. Not an insult, I'm honestly asking.

No. Seriously pissed though. I only want them to play live. Is that too much to ask? Then these BT tards come in and try to assault me in an attempt to divert the attention away from the guilty party.

Big J, I know what I am doing.

[Rockindeano]

You all said I was full of shit early on.

You all said I was a pussy because I wouldn't post it. I did.

You all said when I did post it, to provide proof. I did.( Although not everything)

You all said to take it someplace else. I did

Now you are saying to prove it under oath. Gladly. Let's go. This is important enough for me that I will gladly go an battle these frauds. They have to know that someone, someone will stand up for the truth and question them. They aren't all high and mighty like they think. In Court, my word is as powerful as theirs.


proof, I have it. If I were them, I would ask myself if Deanis lying or not. And tread carefully.

[Big J]

The problem is Deano and his approach to the whole think. IF Deano believes its and the others fine, I DO NOT HAVE TO.
If Deano turns out to be right, SO BE IT, I am STILL a Journey fan and will see them in concert every time they come by.
But for Deano to tell me I'm an idiot if I don't stand by him, to cuss me out because I believe different

I havent been around here nearly as long as you have Eric, and I don't know Dean very well at all, and not at all off this board. But I have to say, the reasons you've stated above are the primary ones to why I don't buy into this. It's a consider the source thing.

Deano, you're coming off like a total bullheaded nut and it's not exactly the best way to convince people of anything other than that you're a total bullheaded nut.

I do hope they DON'T sue you, regardless of whether or not you hope they DO, because I think you're a nice enough guy underneath the bullshit and I do think you've kinda got a screw loose - for both reasons I'd hate to hear or see you lose everything in a slander lawsuit because I genuinely believe you'd devote assets you may or may not have to fighting this - because you're a fucking nut.

Whether you're right or wrong here...you're nuts.

[Big J]

You all said I was full of shit early on.

You all said I was a pussy because I wouldn't post it. I did.

You all said when I did post it, to provide proof. I did.( Although not everything)

You all said to take it someplace else. I did

Now you are saying to prove it under oath. Gladly. Let's go. This is important enough for me that I will gladly go an battle these frauds. They have to know that someone, someone will stand up for the truth and question them. They aren't all high and mighty like they think. In Court, my word is as powerful as theirs.


proof, I have it. If I were them, I would ask myself if Deanis lying or not. And tread carefully.

For the record, I hope you're wrong, and I hope you give up this mess before you lose more than you can afford to in fighting a battle that at the end of the day, doesn't fucking matter.

I was listening to Manchester today... with all this stuff in mind. I still don't think he's faking.

[Mandi]

That is why I hope they take me to Court. I will be able to put Elson on the stand...Neal, Cain, whomever I choose, and they will have to honestly answer. Think I won't do it? Try me. Just fucking try me, and we'll see who is going off the deep end.




OMG! Is there truly anyone out there who cannot see how sorry and delusional this man is? It is almost sad to hear him rant on and on. Who is your lawyer going to be, F.Lee Bailey? Seriously now, Deano, you are embaressing yourself to the point where it is laughable. I can hardly type this, as I have tears in my eyes from laughter, after reading that one. Did someone say deep end? Its too late, Deeno is way too far gone now. LOL

Mandi[/quote]

[RossValoryRocks]

Dude...are you off the deep end? Seriously. Not an insult, I'm honestly asking.

No. Seriously pissed though. I only want them to play live. Is that too much to ask? Then these BT tards come in and try to assault me in an attempt to divert the attention away from the guilty party.

Big J, I know what I am doing.

No you don't. That is the sad thing.
Look at what you just said, these BT Tards, are you including me in that? I have been very respectful of you, and yet you name call.
You are letting people get you so riled up that you are evidently losing your mind, calling people questioning your supposed facts names, and saying you have been assaulted? Just because a person doesn't believe you?
What the hell are you thinking?
And using reverse psychology is good, but it smacks of persecution complex. Regardless, Journey hasn't been proven guilty of anything yet, you have failed to do that. That's not my fault or anyone else fault. It's yours for using weak evidence and an even weaker debating technique.
If you have the proof show us.
Oh and if Journey does sue you, remember they will have qualified experts who will have taken your currently cited evidence and shredded it, regardless of what you think you can get them to say on the stand.
And unless you hit the lottery, I doubt you have pockets as deep as Journey's.

[Rockindeano]

They are already guilty....in the Court of public opinion.

That is a very powerful thing.

[RossValoryRocks]

They are already guilty....in the Court of public opinion.

That is a very powerful thing.

Really I don't see so many people jumping to your side Dean.
I mean, I see a few anonymous posts on your blog supporting you, but not much else. Maybe a few people here.

But that's about it.

While I see many people jumping up in support of Journey.

You are right, the Court of Public Opinion is powerful. I would heed my own advice if I were you. It works both ways.

A lot of people are beginning to see you as a crackpot (not calling you a name, just pointing out the situation), and I doubt that is what you intended.

Again, put the evidence out, get it over with and either prove your point or not.

But quit with the "just wait and see" bullshit.

Put up or shut up. It's become my mantra.

If you are right, and by that I mean you have the proof as I described it (Independent, unbiased verfication from experts) then I will support you 100%.

But until then I am going to be tearing apart your evidence left and right.

So get used to it.

[Pit]

You all said I was full of shit early on.

You all said I was a pussy because I wouldn't post it. I did.

You all said when I did post it, to provide proof. I did.( Although not everything)

You all said to take it someplace else. I did

Now you are saying to prove it under oath. Gladly. Let's go. This is important enough for me that I will gladly go an battle these frauds. They have to know that someone, someone will stand up for the truth and question them. They aren't all high and mighty like they think. In Court, my word is as powerful as theirs.
proof, I have it. If I were them, I would ask myself if Deanis lying or not. And tread carefully.

You have not proved a damn thing. Lot's a luck getting anyone on any stand. The innocent don't have to testify. What law books have you been reading? There's no such thing as Team Dean folks. Team Pipe dream Dean maybe. I can't believe you all have not figured it out.

Dean Ohlrich got quoted in the San Francisco weekly that was published after the star ceremony in Hollywood, but Geez H they left out his name. He's been salivating for his 15 minutes of fame every since, and most of you have bought it hook, line, and sinker. He'll just go bonkers if he's not recognized.

BBBBB bbbb uuuuttt it's not a PHead thing. No not at all. Go back and readyour read your SF Weekly. Mr Ohlrich has quoted the words verbatim many times since right here on these very boards. Sorry Dean, you are officially out of the closet now, and you still got nothing. Your hero remains safely behind the closet door, and your're out here wagging your tail for nothing. Suck it up, and go home. You are beat, you have no evidence, and all the next weeks will get tiresome to these good people eventually. Oh yeah; I know where you live too. Exactly.

Bye bye Loser. They're always looking for Truck drivers at the SF Weekly.
It's your kind of paper. Goof luck and good riddance.

Pit

[Big J]

They are already guilty....in the Court of public opinion.

That is a very powerful thing.

Dude if that were the case, you'd see people cashing their tickets back in and you'd see it on the news by now.

Journey's a big enough name, it'd have made national if they were "guilty in the court of public opinion."

I said yesterday I was dropping this topic...I havent kept my word. I'm gonna try to now, at least until Andrew comes out with whatever he's gonna say.

[Rockindeano]

You have not proved a damn thing. Lot's a luck getting anyone on any stand. The innocent don't have to testify. What law books have you been reading? There's no such thing as Team Dean folks. Team Pipe dream Dean maybe. I can't believe you all have not figured it out.

Dean Ohlrich got quoted in the San Francisco weekly that was published after the star ceremony in Hollywood, but Geez H they left out his name. He's been salivating for his 15 minutes of fame every since, and most of you have bought it hook, line, and sinker. He'll just go bonkers if he's not recognized.

BBBBB bbbb uuuuttt it's not a PHead thing. No not at all. Go back and readyour read your SF Weekly. Mr Ohlrich has quoted the words verbatim many times since right here on these very boards. Sorry Dean, you are officially out of the closet now, and you still got nothing. Your hero remains safely behind the closet door, and your're out here wagging your tail for nothing. Suck it up, and go home. You are beat, you have no evidence, and all the next weeks will get tiresome to these good people eventually. Oh yeah; I know where you live too. Exactly.

Bye bye Loser. They're always looking for Truck drivers at the SF Weekly.
It's your kind of paper. Goof luck and good riddance.

Pit

Ok, that was the biggest ever lie ever told.

Have I ever been a PerryHead? NO.

Have I ever quoted the SF Weekly? NO.

Does Pitman always revert to a Perry link in the argument? Yes.

Does Pitman always lie? Yes.

Am I beat, lol? Not hardly.

Now, I am even more incensed. I hope the band is brought down to their knees.

Pitman, love the thread over at the Airport with your herd od cattle following closely behind. You sad person.

If you know where I live, which you don't please come on over. Let's settle this now.

I have NEVER ran from an argument or a fight. Your just pissed because someone, Me, has the balls to fight this. If it isn't happening, why the need to post? Why the need to block files if you have nothing to hide? Jesus, what a asshole.

[Monker]

Why the need to block files if you have nothing to hide? Jesus, what a asshole.

The real quesion is: If it IS happening, why the need to drive it into the ground without adding anything new? If you REALLY believe something new will be out this week, fine, let it happen and then rub everybody's nose in it. Doing it before hand just removes your credibility.

You said this was going to hit some big magazine, or whatever. All we have seen is the blurb to your blog on Melodic.net. I never believed this was going to go anywhere, and I still don't This 'debate' has been going on for weeks now and all that is happening is rehashing the same BS over and over and over again. There is no 'proof' of anything. It's all opinions of boots. It's the same conversation today as it was three weeks ago.

[bionic]

Why the need to block files if you have nothing to hide? Jesus, what a asshole.

The real quesion is: If it IS happening, why the need to drive it into the ground without adding anything new? If you REALLY believe something new will be out this week, fine, let it happen and then rub everybody's nose in it. Doing it before hand just removes your credibility.

You said this was going to hit some big magazine, or whatever. All we have seen is the blurb to your blog on Melodic.net. I never believed this was going to go anywhere, and I still don't This 'debate' has been going on for weeks now and all that is happening is rehashing the same BS over and over and over again. There is no 'proof' of anything. It's all opinions of boots. It's the same conversation today as it was three weeks ago.

You often here the rumour of Perry returning to Journey! yet the band dont pay much mind to this let alone release a statement.BT has informed me that the band will be addressing this rumour soon(maybe this week)
If something has no foundation in truth i say ignore it and it will go away,but for some reason this one has not gone away?

[Abitaman]

. I see 13 is already renegotiating his contract. Typical.

Isn't that what you typically do Deano, rewrite things to fit you?-ERIC

[NealIsGod]

Dean, I think you are overestimating people's reactions IF it were proven to be true. You know what mine would be? "Oh, that sucks." Then I would go on about my life. The fact that this is SO important to you exposes the fact that there must be a gaping void in your life that needs to be filled with something. Tearing people apart may make you feel better, but it will also leave you very lonely.

Happy Father's Day.

[Abitaman]

Dean, I think you are overestimating people's reactions IF it were proven to be true. You know what mine would be? "Oh, that sucks." Then I would go on about my life. The fact that this is SO important to you exposes the fact that there must be a gaping void in your life that needs to be filled with something. Tearing people apart may make you feel better, but it will also leave you very lonely.

Happy Father's Day.

So true, but Deano has never got to me, I take him for what he is, hot air-ERIC

[KittyKat]

There are some mighty sad stories from fans that are posting on his blog. I didn't expect that since the BT'ers and fans here weren't that upset about it. I was really starting to think it woud work out fine in the end because so many seemed to not care if they were genuine. However that doesn't seem to be the case afterall. A lot of broken hearts and fans that feel like they were made fools of. What a shame.

[The Rocker]

Will someone PLEASE post some pictures of Dean during this show. If He is wearing headphones throughout the entire show THAT could be proof that he is "syncing up" to a pre recorded vocal track. That is the ONLY way they could insert a "fake" vocal line. If Dean is NOT wearing headphones ESPECIALLY on the songs in question, then this is all a crock of crap.

Let me know if there is any other world problems I can explain for ya!!

Chris "The Rocker" Ryan
Hudson Florida

[augeri1]

There are some mighty sad stories from fans that are posting on his blog.

Yet another UNPROVEN fact...what you have is the same followers you have over here posting over there..yet they do it ANONYMOUSLY..simply the same people posting over and over..probably even Deano himself..the attention getter he is.

[Liz22562]

Most of us just enjoy the music, period.

[Monker]

You often here the rumour of Perry returning to Journey! yet the band dont pay much mind to this let alone release a statement.BT has informed me that the band will be addressing this rumour soon(maybe this week)
If something has no foundation in truth i say ignore it and it will go away,but for some reason this one has not gone away?

A few years ago there was a joke posted to the Journey mailing list that Steve Perry was joining Black Sabbath. It was written up as a press release. Within a week it was all over the internet...even appearing on VH1 news.

Did Steve Perry come out of his hole to address that one? Did Black Sabbath or Ozzy? No. Did it die? Yes, because it was a joke and wasn't hammered over everybody's head constantly as a fact.

[verslibre]

"I have a question. How much masturbation is too much?"

[heardonthestreet]

Will someone PLEASE post some pictures of Dean during this show. If He is wearing headphones throughout the entire show THAT could be proof that he is "syncing up" to a pre recorded vocal track. That is the ONLY way they could insert a "fake" vocal line. If Dean is NOT wearing headphones ESPECIALLY on the songs in question, then this is all a crock of crap.

Let me know if there is any other world problems I can explain for ya!!

Chris "The Rocker" Ryan
Hudson Florida

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I think that you mean Steve, not Dean, right?

Augeri does ware an inear monitor in the pictures from the latest concerts but what does this prove?

[Rockindeano]

Will someone PLEASE post some pictures of Dean during this show. If He is wearing headphones throughout the entire show THAT could be proof that he is "syncing up" to a pre recorded vocal track. That is the ONLY way they could insert a "fake" vocal line. If Dean is NOT wearing headphones ESPECIALLY on the songs in question, then this is all a crock of crap.

Uh dude, you are not very smart. Not very smart at all. They all wear earpieces. The pre-recorded vocals come in and the band plays to that. Augeri just "synchs up" with his memorized vocal, while Neal and Deen work their asses off. Augeri acts, embellishes and strains as if to give you the fan, the illusion that all is well.

I can't believe they had the audacity to say "we will see you next year here in Europe." There is no way in Hell that ever happens. Just like there won't be a chance of Dallas DVD showing up.

[A Fire Inside]

Dean, I think you are overestimating people's reactions IF it were proven to be true. You know what mine would be? "Oh, that sucks." Then I would go on about my life.

Same here. I'd probably still buy a ticket to the next tour, too.

The fact that this is SO important to you exposes the fact that there must be a gaping void in your life that needs to be filled with [i]something.

That's kind of what I said earlier... if this is keeping anyone up at night who isn't on the band's payroll, that's a pretty good indication of a problem.

[Dano]

Hey All,

Despite being a long-time fan of this site, I've never posted on the forums before, but I felt I had to considering the subject.

Like many of you here, I too have seen Steve Augeri with Journey several times now, all from great seats close to the stage except for one show, and on four different tours. I can honestly say that I have never seen Steve lip-synch once in all those times. He definitely gives his all.

As far as the sound clips go, I listened to both Faithfully and BGTY. I agree with what someone else already posted-that Steve had the crowd sing along as it was the end of the show and he might've been tired out. Plus the fact that the song always turns into a singalong by default, at least at the shows I've attended. But I've gotta say that Dean's claims that the posted MP3 of BGTY has the vocals from the 2001 DVD used on it to be complete bollocks. I just don't hear that at all.

Most of all, I don't understand this vendetta that he's on against the band, and where his level of venom is coming from.

All this being said, I wanted to also mention that I had the privilege of meeting all the guys back on the initial "Vacation's Over" tour after Augeri first joined, which was a huge thrill for me. I don't think anyone else has mentioned this amongst all the mudslinging going on, but let me go on the record and say that Steve was one of the nicest and most down-to-earth guys you'd ever want to meet. As a matter of fact, all the members of the band were. They do care about the fans, and I believe they truly appreciate (and deserve) our support.

Let's all try to keep this all in perspective and wait for the facts, if there is anything to be reported. My guess is this is all a bunch of BS, but I will continue to support my favorite band regardless of what comes of this. As a fan, their music has given me so much joy and great memories over the years, and nothing can change that.

Just MHO. Be good to yourselves...

Dano

[Red13JoePa]

They definately do care about the fans. I lurked all the time at BackTalk during the Arrival era and Neal was on the forums left and right back then..... he was always in communication during that era....then something happened where he had to ventilate some "head" and that was all she wrote as far as anybody but SA and Deen (both rarely) coming onto those forums. Don't even know how often bandmembers post there now.
Neal was awesome to read, too.

[Rockindeano]

Yeah, they care about the fans. they care that they show up, pay big bucks and cash their money.

They don't give a shit about us. THAT's why I am on this crusade. Fuck these guys. They get what they deserve. All of em. They are all guilty.

I can't wait til friday in Camden.

[Dano]

No, you are on a crusade for a reason that not very many of us can figure out, but it definitely seems personal to me. Again, I stand by my statement that the guys couldn't have been nicer people and took the time to chat with every single fan that they met. I got to meet Neal again two summers ago, and he was just as accomodating then as he was the first time.

I don't know why you're doing this, but I can think of at least a dozen "artists" right off the top of my head that could be accused of ripping people off, and Journey is not one of them.

Just an observation here, but the more you rant and rave about this, the less credible you become.....

Dano

[Rockindeano]

No, you are on a crusade for a reason that not very many of us can figure out, but it definitely seems personal to me. Again, I stand by my statement that the guys couldn't have been nicer people and took the time to chat with every single fan that they met. I got to meet Neal again two summers ago, and he was just as accomodating then as he was the first time.

I don't know why you're doing this, but I can think of at least a dozen "artists" right off the top of my head that could be accused of ripping people off, and Journey is not one of them.

Just an observation here, but the more you rant and rave about this, the less credible you become.....

Dano

Go back and suck mommy's tit. You are clueless.

These guys put on a great show! People go, love it, then go buy a cd or dvd. They are buying cd's and dvd's because of the awsome performance they put on. The problem is, they didn't put on an awesome performance. They all walked on that stage knowing that what they were doing was bullshit. They also thought they knew they would never get caught. Guess what, they did. And they will surely hit a troubled path these next few weeks and months. I am glad they are pissed, stressed and worried...they all should be. Every single one of these gius are getting rich off a fucking tape. There is NO talent in faking it to a tape. NONE.

Get this through your heads. You will see this week that I succeeded in what I wanted to achieve.