Over at BalkTalk....

[LAWoman]

And what did you expect? BT is Journey's house; If you go there and post something viewed as negative, whether right or wrong, what do you expect is going to happen? If someone came into my house and said something negative, even if right, they should expect to be tossed out on their ear, why should it be any different in Journey's house?

Again saying exactly what I was thinking RVR

well of course it's full of love and kool aid!!lmao

And MR is full of negativity and lemonade. Where's the surprise?

[wildone]

And what did you expect? BT is Journey's house; If you go there and post something viewed as negative, whether right or wrong, what do you expect is going to happen? If someone came into my house and said something negative, even if right, they should expect to be tossed out on their ear, why should it be any different in Journey's house?

Again saying exactly what I was thinking RVR

well of course it's full of love and kool aid!!lmao

And MR is full of negativity and lemonade. Where's the surprise?

Thats the cool thing about mr there are no suprises!!!you can think it and say it and your still here to watch it!!!

[whocares]

The difference is the kool-aid drinkers would still say the band walks on water, even after all the water in the world dried up. Understanding that BT is a "private" board, it's still one in the U.S. where free speech is not against the law, it's just frowned upon.

If people are having their feelings hurt by what's said here about "their" band, then they should go log off the internet, and chill out.

TRUE fans of the band don't just post at BT, actually, I'd say very few do. They're free to post wherever they want, and say whatever they want. I wasn't aware that because someone is a fan of a band, that they were required to only believe what the admins at BT allow the fans to read.

[wildone]

The difference is the kool-aid drinkers would still say the band walks on water, even after all the water in the world dried up. Understanding that BT is a "private" board, it's still one in the U.S. where free speech is not against the law, it's just frowned upon.

If people are having their feelings hurt by what's said here about "their" band, then they should go log off the internet, and chill out.

TRUE fans of the band don't just post at BT, actually, I'd say very few do. They're free to post wherever they want, and say whatever they want. I wasn't aware that because someone is a fan of a band, that they were required to only believe what the admins at BT allow the fans to read.

Damn another great well thought out post ...There are people on here who actually get this stuff!!!

[whocares]

The difference is the kool-aid drinkers would still say the band walks on water, even after all the water in the world dried up. Understanding that BT is a "private" board, it's still one in the U.S. where free speech is not against the law, it's just frowned upon.

If people are having their feelings hurt by what's said here about "their" band, then they should go log off the internet, and chill out.

TRUE fans of the band don't just post at BT, actually, I'd say very few do. They're free to post wherever they want, and say whatever they want. I wasn't aware that because someone is a fan of a band, that they were required to only believe what the admins at BT allow the fans to read.

Damn another great well thought out post ...There are people on here who actually get this stuff!!!

please don't confuse me with someone who actually thinks ALL the time when posting though...

[LAWoman]

The difference is the kool-aid drinkers would still say the band walks on water, even after all the water in the world dried up. Understanding that BT is a "private" board, it's still one in the U.S. where free speech is not against the law, it's just frowned upon.

If people are having their feelings hurt by what's said here about "their" band, then they should go log off the internet, and chill out.

TRUE fans of the band don't just post at BT, actually, I'd say very few do. They're free to post wherever they want, and say whatever they want. I wasn't aware that because someone is a fan of a band, that they were required to only believe what the admins at BT allow the fans to read.

You do still understand the concept of "opinions" right? The above is yours. But you are confusing some definitions in your opinion. BT is as "private" as MR is. Both are owned and run by private entities. Don't start throwing around the concept of free speech unless you know when and where it applies. Andrew chooses to impose different standards but even at MR things get deleted and the whole board has gotten locked more than once.

I don't know your definition of a "true" fan. In your mind, it probably means you. There is no such thing. A fan is a fan. I'd venture to say that most of the people who go to Journey concerts and buy Journey products don't post on BT or MR because there are obviously a lot more people at the concerts than ever show up here or BT.

[whocares]

locking or deleting threads HERE that turn into fights, which is where some people appear to want this thread to go, is different than locking or deleting threads at BT because you don't agree Steve A. stands for Stevie Awesome.

The TRUE fans statement was something that BTer's coming over here to attack us for having popinions, brought on.

I will agree most people attending don't post anywhere about anything concerning the band. You'll never get any arguement for me on that subject.

[wildone]

locking or deleting threads HERE that turn into fights, which is where some people appear to want this thread to go, is different than locking or deleting threads at BT because you don't agree Steve A. stands for Stevie Awesome.

The TRUE fans statement was something that BTer's coming over here to attack us for having popinions, brought on. I will agree most people attending don't post anywhere about anything concerning the band. You'll never get any arguement for me on that subject.

and then of course run back to back talk and tell on us like a bunch of 4 yearolds lmao>...

[Liz22562]

Unlike the 4 year olds on this forum that have nothing better to do than to put a human being down because of their perception of what a person looks like?

[whocares]

very few people are doing that, and you are here enough to know that.

Perceptions are one thing, not that it's right, but do you REALLY care? Would they run into your home to save you in a fire? Not that anyone here would for anyone else. But the "family" is only family on the internet, I dare say there are plenty of people who could truly give a rats ass about the "family" when Journey isn't being discussed. Maybe a few would, but I doubt it.

[LAWoman]

[quote="wildone][/quote] and then of course run back to back talk and tell on us like a bunch of 4 yearolds lmao>...[/quote]

Once again--and MR starts threads only to gossip about BT and assert how superior to any of that they are--like what, 5 year olds, I guess. Yeah--lots of difference between the two. Wake up.

[Andrew]

And what did you expect? BT is Journey's house; If you go there and post something viewed as negative, whether right or wrong, what do you expect is going to happen? If someone came into my house and said something negative, even if right, they should expect to be tossed out on their ear, why should it be any different in Journey's house?

Again saying exactly what I was thinking RVR

well of course it's full of love and kool aid!!lmao

And MR is full of negativity and lemonade. Where's the surprise?

When was teh last time you contributed something positive?

The board is only comprised up of the individuals that use it. Make some positive contributions folks....

[LAWoman]

And what did you expect? BT is Journey's house; If you go there and post something viewed as negative, whether right or wrong, what do you expect is going to happen? If someone came into my house and said something negative, even if right, they should expect to be tossed out on their ear, why should it be any different in Journey's house?

Again saying exactly what I was thinking RVR

well of course it's full of love and kool aid!!lmao

And MR is full of negativity and lemonade. Where's the surprise?

When was teh last time you contributed something positive?

The board is only comprised up of the individuals that use it. Make some positive contributions folks....

When was there something positive here, Andrew? Name something--one thing.

[Memorex]

I think free speech is a positive. I think making Journey go back to live vocals is a positive. Well, not really positive considering how he sounds right now.

Folks, Journey is the one who screwed up here. Stop blaming the messengers. Put the focus where it belongs.

I love Journey, but I certainly don't respect them right now.

[Moon Beam]

LAWoman you started shit over there with Jeremey and
now your starting it here with the site owner.
It is painfully obvious that you don't like this forum
so why don't you just go to the sites you enjoy lady?
You wanted to see something with No Bashing?
Here you go.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=17251&highlight=gotta

[LAWoman]

LAWoman you started shit over there with Jeremey and
now your starting it here with the site owner.
It is painfully obvious that you don't like this forum
so why don't you just go to the sites you enjoy lady?
You wanted to see something with No Bashing?
Here you go.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=17251&highlight=gotta

An amazing point of view you have. To Jeremey I asked if he was the same person who posted on MR. I did not think he would be ashamed of his own words. I am not sure how that is "starting" anything. People have to own their statements and if they don't want to, perhaps they should not be made. I did not go on to say anything about Jeremey's music or any other statements. Again--people should own their own statements, but don't put words in my mouth that I did not say.

As for Andrew, he is perfectly capable of responding to me if he sees fit. I believe that I am allowed to answer something directed at me. Most of the threads here are talking about these lipsynching allegations. I am countering various allegations. I do not call people names. I do not curse people out. If people start a thread going after BT, I believe I am allowed to counter that. That's the whole arguement against BT, isn't it--they only allow one-side?

I thought this site was such a shining example of "free speech"? Actually, this forum was more enjoyable in the past. It has become progressively more negative. You can see by the cumulative number of posts I have here, I can hardly have created the problem. But I am not going to sit back and let one-sided statements stand unchallenged. I didn't start the problem. I didn't start any of these threads. If someone wants positivity, you begin with the people who are starting the problem. Don't just point at the people giving counter arguments and ask why they don't bring something positive.

[Moon Beam]

Look Lady you yourself said you where a trouble maker
and that is what you've done here lately.
I answered because I had made a thread that was positive
and that's what you wanted to see right?
I showed you my rays.
Care to share some of your sunshine with us all now?
I'm sure in all those posts you weren't always stirring
the pot.
Before you snap at me, yup I have said a few things here
on the negative side but I always try to be
pleasant, witty, funny and kind.

[Saint John]

LAWoman you started shit over there with Jeremey and
now your starting it here with the site owner.
It is painfully obvious that you don't like this forum
so why don't you just go to the sites you enjoy lady?
You wanted to see something with No Bashing?
Here you go.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=17251&highlight=gotta

An amazing point of view you have. To Jeremey I asked if he was the same person who posted on MR. I did not think he would be ashamed of his own words. I am not sure how that is "starting" anything. People have to own their statements and if they don't want to, perhaps they should not be made. I did not go on to say anything about Jeremey's music or any other statements. Again--people should own their own statements, but don't put words in my mouth that I did not say.

As for Andrew, he is perfectly capable of responding to me if he sees fit. I believe that I am allowed to answer something directed at me. Most of the threads here are talking about these lipsynching allegations. I am countering various allegations. I do not call people names. I do not curse people out. If people start a thread going after BT, I believe I am allowed to counter that. That's the whole arguement against BT, isn't it--they only allow one-side?

I thought this site was such a shining example of "free speech"? Actually, this forum was more enjoyable in the past. It has become progressively more negative. You can see by the cumulative number of posts I have here, I can hardly have created the problem. But I am not going to sit back and let one-sided statements stand unchallenged. I didn't start the problem. I didn't start any of these threads. If someone wants positivity, you begin with the people who are starting the problem. Don't just point at the people giving counter arguments and ask why they don't bring something positive.

We ALL know Steve was NOT LIP-SYNCHING. He was singing into a mic that was not on, or too low to be heard. At various times during the show they would turn it on...mainly to address the crowd or sing a few lines. He sounds terrible now and I doubt that happened in the last two weeks. I would deduce that he was definitely singing into a mic that was NOT loud enough to hear. They were clearly playing a lead vocal track.

[LAWoman]

Look Lady you yourself said you where a trouble maker
and that is what you've done here lately.
I answered because I had made a thread that was positive
and that's what you wanted to see right?
I showed you my rays.
Care to share some of your sunshine with us all now?
I'm sure in all those posts you weren't always stirring
the pot.
Before you snap at me, yup I have said a few things here
on the negative side but I always try to be
pleasant, witty, funny and kind.

I'm sorry, apparently the sarcasm wasn't clear. As for the troublemaker issue, I said, yes "I'm" the troublemaker--meaning no, you started it. Now that is cleared up you can go back to your pleasant witty funny self. I guess the "look lady" thing you keep saying is your funny self?

[Moon Beam]

And still no sunshine from you huh LAWoman.
I call all females lady go back in posts and see.
My mistake, sorry I will only call you by your board name.
I also call males Sir.

[knox]

Here is something positive from KC...

"This witch hunt needs to end! the affects of this have already contributed to one death, there is no blame in that statment, but it did. How many more lives does it need to harm before it ends? Destroy Journey & not only do you hurt them personally, but you hurt millions of fans who just wanted to enjoy their music! Shame on the haters! Shame!"

Yet more lunacy regarding the internet causing a fatality. I tell you, I am through with that "board". It is full of blind people saying that they are supporting the band by not saying anything negative.

The prase is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Augeri's voice is broken, yet some want to blatantly overlook this and call it supporting the band. I just don't get it.

[conversationpc]

Soul SirkUS sucked. I'd rather see another Neal solo album then a fucked up band like that.

Why were they f****d up? There are several tracks on that album that I love: Highest Ground, New Position, Another World, Soul Goes On, and Periled Divide.

[Monker]

When was teh last time you contributed something positive?

The board is only comprised up of the individuals that use it. Make some positive contributions folks....

Hardly anybody contributes anything 'positive' to this forum. As you basicaly said, a forum's direction depends on the people who contribute to it. I go with the flow...and right now the flow is to be as rude as possible, and post as often as you can.

[Rockindeano]

Here is something positive from KC...

"This witch hunt needs to end! the affects of this have already contributed to one death, there is no blame in that statment, but it did. How many more lives does it need to harm before it ends? Destroy Journey & not only do you hurt them personally, but you hurt millions of fans who just wanted to enjoy their music! Shame on the haters! Shame!"

Dude, consider the source...KC is out of her mind, delusional.

[knox]

I really had respect for her at one point last week.

THAT has gone the way of the dinosaurs...

[conversationpc]

I go with the flow...and right now the flow is to be as rude as possible, and post as often as you can.

Sheeple

[whocares]

Hardly anybody contributes anything 'positive' to this forum. As you basicaly said, a forum's direction depends on the people who contribute to it. I go with the flow...and right now the flow is to be as rude as possible, and post as often as you can.

Monker in all the years I've posted at the same places you have, you've never "gone with the flow".

[LAWoman]

Hardly anybody contributes anything 'positive' to this forum. As you basicaly said, a forum's direction depends on the people who contribute to it. I go with the flow...and right now the flow is to be as rude as possible, and post as often as you can.

Monker in all the years I've posted at the same places you have, you've never "gone with the flow".

Monker is an enigma.

[MartyMoffatt]

This MR site, for all its pretence of being a forum for uncensored, reasoned debate and free speech, has in fact become a battleground for mud slinging, name calling, foul language, threats and polarised arguments for the sake of argument. There are only a few people here that seem capable of carrying out a ‘reasoned’ debate. Almost everybody else is already convinced they are right and that anybody who disagrees with them is a moron who must be converted to their cause at all costs.

Unfortunately, the sensible posters here (and there are some) are being drowned out by those with more extreme views and more aggressive personalities.

BackTalk has had a LOT of criticism recently from MR members for its apparent sugar coated threads and ‘blind’ support of the band. It also gets criticised for censoring certain threads and posts.

I agree that ‘some’ of the threads are a little adorational (although no more than on many other band’s official site forums). I also agree that ‘some’ of the posts there offer unqualified support for the band. Both of these characteristics are to be expected in a forum paid for by the band itself and thus frequented by large volumes of dedicated fans. It simply has a different focus than that of the MR forum. That doesn't make it wrong or any less worthwhile. Moreover, it is simplistic to describe the whole BT forum in that way. There are as many intelligent, rational posters on BT as there are on MR. But instead of searching through the mud slinging and insults for the nuggets you have to search through a little sugar. Not a great hardship.

As to the censoring, most of that seems to be to remove blatantly argumentative, inflammatory posts that are not productive. Bear in mind that BT is an extension of Journey’s official website, whose main function is to promote the band. Therefore ‘some’ negative comments (usually expressed in an aggressive, confrontational manner) are also removed, or the posters are asked to tone down their comments. Again this is not unusual on forums of this nature and, while it may not appeal to some of the more outspoken members on MR it doesn’t justify the bashing that it gets here.

That is not to denigrate MR. Each forum has its place and they should be allowed to co-exist without resorting to ‘us’ and ‘them’ mentalities.

Marty

[NealIsGod]

Dude, consider the source...

Finally, I agree with you about something.