How much does a Journey lead singer make -- any guesses?

[siobhan222]

If you didn't see ANY posts where I blamed EVERYONE including management,

I saw you say fraud is fraud, if one is doing it, everyone is doing it. And I saw you say that you didn't feel it was right that Augeri was the fall guy, but he is ... or words to that effect. I interpreted it to mean that while you acknowledged that they were all in on it, but you were going along with blaming Augeri and supporting the band. If that isn't what you meant, then I misunderstood.

expressing how you are "livid" that Augeri isn't in the band anymore on stage now or who knows, maybe permanently,

That's not what I said. First of all, I typed that once and only once. And I said that I felt that way on Monday night only -- when I got to the show and discovered that lead singer I have become a fan of wasn't the lead singer. I was shocked. I said that for the first time, I understood what the diehard Perry fans felt. But I went on to say that my anger since then has been directed at Neal. If you are going to quote me, please read my posts -- especially if you're going to accuse me of not reading yours!

Seriously, you need to read other posts somtimes, before you make comebacks and accuse people of NOT accusing the whole band of de-frauding people. This is a serious issue for Fans of the band, no matter where you lie in all of it.

Thank you for the advice. I believe I did read your posts. I may have misinterpreted your meaning and if so, I apologize. I also apologized in advance. And I've explained above how I interpreted your meaning.

Trust me: this is a serious issue for me too and that's why I've been talking about it for a while here.

[Dano]

I never felt Perry intended to tour, no matter how much money could be made. but that's just my opinion.

Yes, this is another of those conspiracies of which I have to admit I agree with. After how rough his voice was on the FTLOSM tour, I have to guess that he knew he wasn't going to be able to pull it off. The hip thing, though it may be true, was quite convenient.

And Herbie acknowledged that there was no way in Hell that Perry was going to tour, and he was exactly correct. If you recall the Behind the Music episode, it seemed that Azoff was pretty peeved about it too. Not sure if his comments were on the extended cut or the regular episode.

Damn, I'm up late tonight! Two in the morning discussing Journey! What the Hell?? Man, I do love this band.....

[bionic]

Because, ultimately, he is the one who walked out on that stage every night knowing he was deceiving his fans. No one could have forced him to do that. No contract could have made him perform fraudulently when he was not physically able to do so. There is just NO WAY in hell that he did not know prerecorded vocals were being played.

But if that's the case, Neal, Jon, Ross and Deen went along with it. They committed the same fraud he did. There is just NO WAY in hell they did not know prerecorded vocals were being played.

So, again I ask you, why do you ONLY bash Steve ... but say nothing at all of the other 4 members of the band?

I am sure that Jon and Neal run the band and put this tape idea forward(if you belive it) to Steve,so they are to be questioned for sure. My theory as to why people hit out at Steve is because he was the only band member miming/lipping so he will stand out as the bad guy.All the band are to blame as someone said 'Evan if you didn't actually rob the bank you were still the getaway driver'. Saying that managment may have suggested it ,as to cancel a tour would be costly for them.Really the guys and management should have delt with this problem when it first hit them.

[whocares]

I never felt Perry intended to tour, no matter how much money could be made. but that's just my opinion.

Yes, this is another of those conspiracies of which I have to admit I agree with. After how rough his voice was on the FTLOSM tour, I have to guess that he knew he wasn't going to be able to pull it off. The hip thing, though it may be true, was quite convenient.

And Herbie acknowledged that there was no way in Hell that Perry was going to tour, and he was exactly correct. If you recall the Behind the Music episode, it seemed that Azoff was pretty peeved about it too. Not sure if his comments were on the extended cut or the regular episode.

Damn, I'm up late tonight! Two in the morning discussing Journey! What the Hell?? Man, I do love this band.....

your last line says it all. no matter how worked up people are getting, As Andrew said last week, If people weren't so PASSIONATE about this band, there wouldn't be so much discussion.

Conspiracy or not, I would have loved to see Perry wtih Journey one last time. I was lucky enough to see his solo tour early on, and he sounded great, not as great as much earlier, but great. If he had troubles, I didn't hear them, and I listened quite well.

[siobhan222]

Fair enough. Do you not think Augeri was ever talented then?

Don't jam words down my throat please.
Love Tall Stories, enjoy his work with Tyketto....why do I even need to rattle this laundry list off?
I am an Augeri fan - take me at my word or don't.

I like most of everything Steve's been involved in.
Hate his solo writing credit "Believe" though.
Total crap!

Honestly, I'm not trying to jam words down your throat. But if you believe the rest of the guys are too talented to hate, yet, you put all the blame on Augeri, that kind of leaves the intepretation that you must therefore not think Augeri is talented -- or at least *as* talented. Am I wrong? Or did you just need someone to blame and he was the easy scapegoat since the band appeared to also be using him?

For the record, I loved Tall Stories too. Tyketto was just about ok. And I also couldn't stand "Believe". Quite possibly one of the worst songs I have ever heard. We're not as far apart in our taste as you may think!

[bionic]

those who say he wasn't a good singer from 98-04, never liked him "taking over".

And I don't think many will dis-agree that the band as a whole was responsible for anything that happened recently. Augeri was just the fall guy. Schon/Cain/Mgmt. made sure of that.

You know what really sickening about that is *if* there is truth in this, then the band as a whole let the fraud go on ... and then, when it came out, the next logical step in the equation is that, in order to get that severance package, they made him go out and show his strained voice so that he *would* be the fall guy and be humiliated in front of the fans he played for night after night for 8 years. And if that isn't just disgusting, then I don't know what is. And the crowd who didn't like him taking over are the first ones to bash him over the head any chance they get. Instead of blaming the band for what they perceive to be the truth, they blame a man who, if this is true, was just doing what obviously, he had to do in order to have any money to take home to support himself and his family. I sat with Steve and his wife for hours. They were good people -- some of the best I've ever met -- and he had no ego. He was just a lovely guy.

So, *if* that scenario is what happened then everyone should hate the whole stinking band and feel sorry for Steve. And anyone who goes along with making him the fall guy is allowing the band to control their puppet strings and further perpetuate the fraud they so adamantly believe occurred. Where is the logic in that?

Good point

[siobhan222]

No, what you're asking is for the rest of us to hate the band as it is as much as you do, and most of us just want to move on.

No, what I'm asking is why you hate Augeri so much and blame him for something you believe happened. But if it happened, the rest of the band was as much a part of it as him. Yet, for you, that's forgive and forget the rest of the band -- and for all time, damn Augeri's name every chance you get. That's neither fair nor logical. If you are going to damn anyone, damn them all. Otherwise, if you really want to move on, you need to stop slamming Augeri every single chance you get and really move on. Perhaps even thank Augeri for his contribution to the band so that maybe, just maybe, he'll also have a chance to move on. Just give it a moment and think about it.

[siobhan222]

Damn, I'm up late tonight! Two in the morning discussing Journey! What the Hell?? Man, I do love this band.....

We all do. They've been the roadmap of our lives and they've touched us all in some way. And that's why we get so passionate about this isn't it?

[siobhan222]

I am sure that Jon and Neal run the band and put this tape idea forward(if you belive it) to Steve,so they are to be questioned for sure. My theory as to why people hit out at Steve is because he was the only band member miming/lipping so he will stand out as the bad guy.All the band are to blame as someone said 'Evan if you didn't actually rob the bank you were still the getaway driver'. Saying that managment may have suggested it ,as to cancel a tour would be costly for them.Really the guys and management should have delt with this problem when it first hit them.

I agree with you soooo much Bionic. If all this stuff is true, why didn't they just come out and tell us before the tour that Steve's voice was shot and he wouldn't be able to tour? Even if they just said they were replacing him temporarily then ... and later said it was permanent ... do you think we'd all be this upset? One night Steve is singing and it sounds painful .. the next night poof, he's gone. Surely there was a better more upfront way to do this.

[Dano]

Damn, I'm up late tonight! Two in the morning discussing Journey! What the Hell?? Man, I do love this band.....

We all do. They've been the roadmap of our lives and they've touched us all in some way. And that's why we get so passionate about this isn't it?

Yes, it is. Journey has some of the most passionate fans I've ever seen, and I'm certainly one of them. Regardless of who I may disagree with on different points, I have the utmost respect for pretty much everyone here, and really enjoy the spirited discussion. Tonight especially.

Now I gotta go get some sleep! LOL

[siobhan222]

Conspiracy or not, I would have loved to see Perry wtih Journey one last time. I was lucky enough to see his solo tour early on, and he sounded great, not as great as much earlier, but great. If he had troubles, I didn't hear them, and I listened quite well.

I never got the opportunity of seeing Perry with Journey as I lived in Ireland until 1985. When I hear live cuts now, I'm in awe of that totally incredible amazing voice and I envy anyone who ever saw him. For me, it's the best rock voice of all time. Sure, there are others I like, but no one even comes close to Perry. Sometimes even now when I listen to his older album stuff, I get goosebumps. When I saw the FTLOSM tour, I didn't think his voice was totally shot. It was a bit raspier but I don't remember thinking his days of singing were over. And God was he gorgeous for that tour .. that hair. Wow. But I thought he was weird on stage. I really disliked the bit where he sang to the coat tails. It was creepy for me. I was disappointed about that -- but not a bit disappointed about his singing. I floated away from that show. It was my dream come true.

I always thought the absolute ultimate would be to have him and Gregg Rollie back doing those unbelievable harmonies again. I also thought it might be cool to hear him and Augeri together. Yeah, I know. None of this will ever happen. But I can dream, can't I?

[bionic]

I am sure that Jon and Neal run the band and put this tape idea forward(if you belive it) to Steve,so they are to be questioned for sure. My theory as to why people hit out at Steve is because he was the only band member miming/lipping so he will stand out as the bad guy.All the band are to blame as someone said 'Evan if you didn't actually rob the bank you were still the getaway driver'. Saying that managment may have suggested it ,as to cancel a tour would be costly for them.Really the guys and management should have delt with this problem when it first hit them.

I agree with you soooo much Bionic. If all this stuff is true, why didn't they just come out and tell us before the tour that Steve's voice was shot and he wouldn't be able to tour? Even if they just said they were replacing him temporarily then ... and later said it was permanent ... do you think we'd all be this upset? One night Steve is singing and it sounds painful .. the next night poof, he's gone. Surely there was a better more upfront way to do this.

What is heartbreaking is that he is a great guy who cares for his fans and is very humble and it is tragic that it has ended like this for him.He will always be known as the guy who mimed his vocals,every person who interviews him will want to talk about this only.As a singer to be known as someone who cant sing only mime is a terrible thing to carry,he must feel like his whole world has collapsed around him....Tragic

[siobhan222]

Yes, it is. Journey has some of the most passionate fans I've ever seen, and I'm certainly one of them. Regardless of who I may disagree with on different points, I have the utmost respect for pretty much everyone here, and really enjoy the spirited discussion. Tonight especially.

Now I gotta go get some sleep! LOL

Good night and thanks for discussing. It was spirited but we really stayed fairly respectful of each other, I think. No name calling or swearing. We all have our opinions and we're all entitled to them.

Sleep well!

[whocares]

... If all this stuff is true, why didn't they just come out and tell us before the tour that Steve's voice was shot and he wouldn't be able to tour? Even if they just said they were replacing him temporarily then ... and later said it was permanent ... do you think we'd all be this upset? One night Steve is singing and it sounds painful .. the next night poof, he's gone. Surely there was a better more upfront way to do this.

The short answer is yes, people who loved Augeri would be upset, because they wanted to see him "sing", for whatever it's worth anymore. They knew/know they had Augeri fans and casual fans to buy tickets, they sold out many venues, based on Augeri fronting the band. If they'd have made a change, they would have lost a lot of people and probably a lot more money. Their idea of if it ain't broke don't fix it is way different than Mine. It was broke, they admitted it was BEFORE the tour. Except they didn't admit in until thousands of tickets were sold and most places don't allow returns of tickets. THAT is fraud, committed by EVERYONE in the band.

I miss my wife. I need sleep, and I REALLLLLY need a big shot of tequila now. Forgive me for not arguing my points anymore tonight. I'm very loyal to the Journey music I like and love, but I don't support the idea of a band who does what they've done to many fans. AND lead singers.

[nolippin]

OK...I thought about it a moment, and I still believe that you just want us all to hate the band in this incarnation as much as you do. I don't.

You have made your point...over and over and over again. We get it. You love "your Stevie" and you're angry because "you're Stevie" isn't in the band anymore.

I'm sure there are some Perryheads around here that know exactly how you feel, but if you will excuse the rest of us, we like JSS as the lead singer of Journey. It seems Neal Schon does, too, and it's his band.

I, too, am tired of arguing my points. You aren't listening anyway.

No, what you're asking is for the rest of us to hate the band as it is as much as you do, and most of us just want to move on.

No, what I'm asking is why you hate Augeri so much and blame him for something you believe happened. But if it happened, the rest of the band was as much a part of it as him. Yet, for you, that's forgive and forget the rest of the band -- and for all time, damn Augeri's name every chance you get. That's neither fair nor logical. If you are going to damn anyone, damn them all. Otherwise, if you really want to move on, you need to stop slamming Augeri every single chance you get and really move on. Perhaps even thank Augeri for his contribution to the band so that maybe, just maybe, he'll also have a chance to move on. Just give it a moment and think about it.

[siobhan222]

What is heartbreaking is that he is a great guy who cares for his fans and is very humble and it is tragic that it has ended like this for him.He will always be known as the guy who mimed his vocals,every person who interviews him will want to talk about this only.As a singer to be known as someone who cant sing only mime is a terrible thing to carry,he must feel like his whole world has collapsed around him....Tragic

My husband said something earlier that might help us feel better. This really hasn't gone out very far beyond the diehard fans that participate in forums. Sure, it may have been mentioned on a couple of radio stations. But let's face it, unless you're a Journey fan, you have no idea who Steve Augeri is. Hopefully, it won't haunt him because everyone has such a short memory these days anyway. I hope my husband is right.

[siobhan222]

OK...I thought about it a moment, and I still believe that you just want us all to hate the band in this incarnation as much as you do. I don't.

You have made your point...over and over and over again. We get it. You love "your Stevie" and you're angry because "you're Stevie" isn't in the band anymore.

Obviously, you haven't read a single word I've said tonight. I'll say it one more time -- although, I doubt you will read it anymore clearly than you have at any other time. As I said to you earlier tonight, either you have difficulty reading or comprehending.

I'm *not* angry "my Stevie" isn't in the band anymore. (For one thing, I don't even call him "Stevie". I call him Steve or Augeri!) I don't even know that Augeri's *not* in the band anymore. You seem convinced of that. Until I get official word, I won't be. I don't hate the band in this incarnation. I have never said that.

What I have been saying over and over again is that you, and others like you, are attacking Steve Augeri every chance you get. You're calling him names. You're doing this based on the fact that you believe a fraud was perpetrated upon you and that he used tapes and lip-synched. Yet, logic dictates that *if* he did this, he could NOT possibly have done it without the full knowledge and cooperation of the entire band. Therefore, *if* what you allege is true, the entire band, NOT Steve Augeri alone, perpetrated a fraud upon you. Yet, you only blame Steve Augeri for this alleged aggregious offense. That doesn't make one iota of sense. If you believe this fraud occurred, you have to blame the band as a whole. As someone else wisely said earlier, if you rob a bank and I drive the getaway car, I technically didn't rob the bank. But I don't get a "get out of jail" pass any more than you do. Yet, that is exactly what you're doing here.

For some reason, you cannot acknowledge or comprehend that. Therefore, you continue to say that the ONLY reason I bring this up is because I'm angry that Steve Augeri is not in the band anymore. In fact, *that* is the only point you have continually made over and over tonight.

You have refused to answer my question about how you can blame Augeri, but not the band, when the band had to have committed the wrongdoing you allege as a whole. You have ignored what I have presented above. Again, I think you must have some problems reading or comprehending. If you do, then I'm sorry about that. I've tried to be clear. Instead of responding, you try to attack me repeatedly and you misquote me -- something else you have done repeatedly all night. Perhaps you should ask someone else to explain this to you in simpler terms that you can understand.

And please, if you have a point to make, stop slinging hash at others. It only makes you look bad and very very petty.

[rdekker]

I'm sure Steve Perry still makes alot more money out of Journey than Steve Augeri does, royalty wise ofcourse.
But I'm sure Steve Augeri made more the past 8 years than he would have if he stayed in maintenance for the Gap.

[JrnySuxBalls]

I'm sure Steve Perry still makes alot more money out of Journey than Steve Augeri does, royalty wise ofcourse.

I'd venture a guess he makes more off each live show as well.

[Jeremey]

Dream on. 10 dates = $160,000?

Ace Frehley and Peter Criss were on like $2,000,000 dollar retainers for the Kiss reunion tour which was MASSIVE! And they played constantly for 2 years.

So If Augeri or anyone was making $16,000 a night he'd pull in almost a half a million for 30 dates.

Sorry, try again.

I don't understand if you are saying that number is high or low.;..Either way, it was a completely made up number, used only to illustrate how their arrangement probably worked. I don't know if it was $2000 a night or $20,000 a night. However, if you think the lead singer of Journey was making somewhere around $100,000....Well, I know local musicians that clear that figure, so I'm not buying that one bit.

[AR]

However, if you think the lead singer of Journey was making somewhere around $100,000....Well, I know local musicians that clear that figure, so I'm not buying that one bit.

We can agree to disagree, but I am telling you that Kiss replacement members were making less than 100K per year not that long ago. That's a pretty big band I think.

When Vinnie Vincent was their touring guitar player he was basically living in a roach infested motel in New York.

Replacement players may do well, but they aren't getting super rich either. That's really what I'm trying to say.

[ohsherrie]

Hi Soibhan222, I'm one of those hardcore Perry fanatics that you've mentioned several times. Maybe I can explain for you how I for one feel about this whole Perry/Augeri/Jss thing. You're right about one thing, I never thought the band should have gone on without Perry because Perry is what made Journey special for me. I didn't hate Augeri for it though, and I still don't. I'm sorry for what happened to his voice and I wish him well.

I always thought Augeri was a good singer, but not a great singer and certainly not good enough to replace Steve Perry, no one is that good IMO. I probaby would just have ignored him altogether and the band along with him if it hadn't been for absurd remarks like "Perry with a perm", "Perry who" and "who needs Perry". That really pissed me off so I started keeping up with how the band was really doing without him, and it wasn't good. IMO the legacy and reputation of my favorite band was being diminished. Not that they didn't sound good and do a couple good albums, just not what I consider Journey good.

This tapegate thing was just the last straw. It made a complete travesty of Journey and I absolutely blame them all for it. Actually I put the biggest share of the blame on Neal and Jon. They should have had more respect for Journey than to allow this to happen.

The reason I'm supportive of JSS is because I'm counting on him to regain Journey's dignity and I think he has the talent, looks and charisma to do it.

[Jeremey]

Replacement players may do well, but they aren't getting super rich either. That's really what I'm trying to say.

Agreed. While the lead singer of Journey is likely making a bit more than the drummer for KISS, neither one of them will probably be on MTV Cribs. Keep in mind $100,000 in NYC is peanuts compared to the rest of the country. Also, artists must pay out of their own pocket all their expenses, including health insurance. And maybe Vinnie Vincent was investing his money in other areas besides housing?!?

[AR]

And maybe Vinnie Vincent was investing his money in other areas besides housing?!?

I'm sure he probably was.

[Eric]

I would bet about a half million per year.

......and you guys have to stop slamming KISS regarding Eric Carr...its not true
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[conversationpc]

Wow! Looks like the forum blew up since late yesterday afternoon...Looks like Gozilla struck.

We can agree to disagree, but I am telling you that Kiss replacement members were making less than 100K per year not that long ago. That's a pretty big band I think.

When Vinnie Vincent was their touring guitar player he was basically living in a roach infested motel in New York.

Replacement players may do well, but they aren't getting super rich either. That's really what I'm trying to say.

Well, Gene at least is well known for being pretty greedy, so it wouldn't surprise me if he and Paul were raking in as much money as possible and keeping it for themselves instead of giving the other players a decent salary.

[Citygirl]

Makes you wonder if Stevie Boy would have been better off just not getting into the whole Journey thing.

Maybe he should have trusted his gut feeling at the time.

[AR]

I would bet about a half million per year.

I'm going to say "lower"

......and you guys have to stop slamming KISS regarding Eric Carr...its not true

Well, why is Eric's family still upset to this day?

Even if we lay off Kiss for how they dealt with Eric, we can all slam Gene for this merchandising idea:



At least Journey only had a video game and a motorcycle.

[Citygirl]

The way some people go on you'd think he'd been caught doing unmentionable things to chickens.

[LAWoman]

How much money any of them make is not something we can figure out. It depends on what sorts of contractual arrangements they have amongst one another. The could be getting percentages, they could be getting a salary, then there is that mysterious Perry element (the 6th member) and all those rumors. There are too many unknown elements to try to figure it out.