Replacing Augeri Mid-Tour IS NOT COOL

[Abitaman]

Of course if u still don't believe he used tapes & u think he's coming back "someday soon" then u might want to get ur ears tested.

Just because Augeri have gone their "separate ways", doesn't mean his "wheel in the sky" has stopped turning. Augeri will be back "someday soon" either in Journey or Tall Stories or something else. And we will see "who's crying now", even "after the fall", Augeri may "escape" above all this trash talk and "back talk". But if he doesn't come back he has live a "life time of dreams" we all wish we could, and he did it "faithfully" and with class.
Maybe we all walk to close to the "edge of the blade" on this. So maybe we need to use the "opened door" and start "walking away from the edge"
As for my hearing, I'll get it checked, "can do", but "one more" thing before I go, Journey has "something to hide" but it not Augeri and tape gate. So if his "departure" is forever , maybe JSS will "stay awhile", but they need to do something quick, because, their "castles burning"-ERIC

You're gay.

Hey Queano, You would know

[The_Noble_Cause]

With Augeri, they seemed to already have it planned.

Based on what?
The fact that they didn't cancel their most succesful tour ever.
Journey is a business first and foremost.
You need to quit playing Warcraft and wake up to the real world.

It's not a cool thing for supposed fans like you to support.

My how the tables have turned. You sound identical to a Perryloon after Augeri's inclusion was first announced.
Go cry me a river you big fat dumb baby.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I could retort in kind, but it'd be too easy.

That, or perhaps you are simply incapable of coming up with a retort of equal virtiolic caliber.
Face it. You're untalented.

The air is great up here, by the way.

Where? Inside Augeri's lower intestinal track?
That is where you ass-noshing zombified stooges like to reside most, isn't it?

I challenge you to stay on topic and make sound (no pun intended) points,

Go wash out your grizzeled old ass. I have been making articulate and cogent posts on here for years.

instead of attacking Augeri or anyone else on the boards.

I'll discuss whatever I damn well please.
If you choose to continue carrying water for a proven thief that is your perogative.

You slap some feces on a brush, and a few angry strokes later, pronouce it art. I paint with colors. It's a personal choice, but don't fool yourself -- people can smell the difference.

Now go wrack your brain for something as eloquent and witty O' Hostile Hamburgler... give yourself time, it'll come... deep breaths... and if it's up to par, I might even reply. Since it won't be, it's doubtful. Can't play Chess if you won't put away the checkers.

You got trounced.
Eat my ass.

[rtz]

I don't see it as Augeri destroying his voice "for them". He did it for himself. He lived out his dream for 8 years. It's sad that it ended this way, and he will always be remembered as the guy who lipped Journey, but it was his choice to stay on the stage instead of walking away with some diginity.

Unfortunately, only the handful of diehard Journey fans that post on or read this board or BT will even remember his name. No disrespect intended for Steve A., as I also believe there aren't a huge number of people who know who JSS is either.

Face it, we care deeply about these issues because of our passion for this band. The more casual fans don't know ANY of the band members' names, past or present (and don't care), or still think that Perry is the singer.

I don't think Augeri will be remembered for his lipping - he won't be remembered at all. And JSS won't be remembered for replacing him....

If you asked 15,000 people at the next Journey/DL concert, how many do you really think know squat about tapegate or the fact that JSS has replaced Steve. Most wouldn't even know their names.

[Abitaman]

With Augeri, they seemed to already have it planned.

Based on what?
The fact that they didn't cancel their most succesful tour ever.
Journey is a business first and foremost.
You need to quit playing Warcraft and wake up to the real world.

It's not a cool thing for supposed fans like you to support.

My how the tables have turned. You sound identical to a Perryloon after Augeri's inclusion was first announced.
Go cry me a river you big fat dumb baby.

Who is call ing who a big fat dumb baby? You keep eating all those hamburgers you are showing, you'll be fat too. I'm out of here, time to go eat-ERIC

[ArnelRox]

Just a quick heads up, Mom passed away of cancer 10 years ago. But yeah, she does look her mom.

I'm sorry to hear that Dean. U have a beautiful daughter.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm out of here, time to go eat-ERIC

Careful not to hurt yourself eating with ur corked fork.

[Vladan]

I don't see it as Augeri destroying his voice "for them". He did it for himself. He lived out his dream for 8 years. It's sad that it ended this way, and he will always be remembered as the guy who lipped Journey, but it was his choice to stay on the stage instead of walking away with some diginity.

Unfortunately, only the handful of diehard Journey fans that post on or read this board or BT will even remember his name. No disrespect intended for Steve A., as I also believe there aren't a huge number of people who know who JSS is either.

Face it, we care deeply about these issues because of our passion for this band. The more casual fans don't know ANY of the band members' names, past or present (and don't care), or still think that Perry is the singer.

I don't think Augeri will be remembered for his lipping - he won't be remembered at all. And JSS won't be remembered for replacing him....

If you asked 15,000 people at the next Journey/DL concert, how many do you really think know squat about tapegate or the fact that JSS has replaced Steve. Most wouldn't even know their names.

Absolutely. I can't argue with that, that is a given.

[Abitaman]

I'm out of here, time to go eat-ERIC

Careful not to hurt yourself eating with ur corked fork.

I wear safety glasses so I don't put my eye out

[Monker]

Based on what?
The fact that they didn't cancel their most succesful tour ever.
Journey is a business first and foremost.

Based on how SS went down, how quickly JSS 'became avialble'...and just general opinion since I said IT SEEMED.

You need to quit playing Warcraft and wake up to the real world.

Never played Warcraft, any version. Not my thing. I did Everquest way back when...and it convinced me that online RPG's are a complete waste of time and money.

It's not a cool thing for supposed fans like you to support.

My how the tables have turned. You sound identical to a Perryloon after Augeri's inclusion was first announced.[/quote]

If they had shafted Perry shortly after TBF was released, I would have said the exact same thing. In fact, I was one who was VERY critical of the band for not saying ANYTHING.,..Pretty much where I am RIGHT NOW.

Go cry me a river you big fat dumb baby.

I fart in your general direction...You skinny weasel.

[ArnelRox]

When Perry was replaced, they waited nearly two years just to discuss things with him. With Augeri, they seemed to already have it planned. That's acting like a bunch of pricks.

It's NOT a cool way for a band to act. It's NOT a cool way for someone new to be introducted. It's not a cool thing for supposed fans like you to support.

Ok let me play devil's advocate for a second. Let's suppose Dean really knows the scoop (don't argue about Dean or how u feel about him-just take what he has told us as the gospel for 2 minutes then go back to regularly scheduled programming). Just look at this scenario & think about it.

We all know Augeri was having issues at the beginning of the Generations tour. He admitted that himself. So the band says "Steve please step down. Let us hire someone else so we can go on." Augeri doesn't want to step down & threatens to make contractual problems if they try to go on w/out him. Maybe this conversation happened before the Generations tour. Maybe it has been discussed for almost 2 years. Augeri held his ground & went to tape. His voice got worse but he still wouldnt step down. The band is livid w/him. But they want to go on touring. They wont be able to tour forever. Theyre getting old. They need to make hay while the sun shines. They cant just fire him bcoz they made him a partner (whether full or partial). What do they do now?

Bingo. Someone notices the tapes. The story builds & builds. Aha. Augeri has to step down. But the band has to pick up the pieces. In comes JSS-a guy who can sing live & quickly builds rapport w/fans.

Could this be what happened? We'll never know. But it's one way to look at it.

Ok u can return to regularly scheduled programming now.

[AR]

Making the move mid-tour SAVED the tour. Case closed. Why must these threads continue?

We all know Augeri was having issues at the beginning of the Generations tour. He admitted that himself. So the band says "Steve please step down. Let us hire someone else so we can go on." Augeri doesn't want to step down & threatens to make contractual problems if they try to go on w/out him. Maybe this conversation happened before the Generations tour. Maybe it has been discussed for almost 2 years. Augeri held his ground & went to tape.

I can promise you it did not go down that way.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Never played Warcraft, any version. Not my thing. I did Everquest way back when...and it convinced me that online RPG's are a complete waste of time and money.

So you moved on to loitering playgrounds and fiddling with little boys instead.
Hey, it's free, afterall.
Ok I get it.

If they had shafted Perry shortly after TBF was released, I would have said the exact same thing.

Somehow I doubt that.
You never believed the hip story in the first place and furthermore, had been advocating Perry's removal for years.

I fart in your general direction...You skinny weasel.

Is that why there's such a frothy mix of cum and lube bubbling out of your ass?

[Monker]

With Augeri, they seemed to already have it planned.

Based on what?
The fact that they didn't cancel their most succesful tour ever.
Journey is a business first and foremost.
You need to quit playing Warcraft and wake up to the real world.

It's not a cool thing for supposed fans like you to support.

My how the tables have turned. You sound identical to a Perryloon after Augeri's inclusion was first announced.
Go cry me a river you big fat dumb baby.

Who is call ing who a big fat dumb baby? You keep eating all those hamburgers you are showing, you'll be fat too. I'm out of here, time to go eat-ERIC

He's already eaten too many:

[ArnelRox]

I can promise you it did not go down that way.

Do u have inside scoop? Not doubting u or anything. Just asking if u do. (Also not asking u to reveal the scoop btw. Just if u have it.)

[Abitaman]

Would yall quit showing food!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

He's already eaten too many:

Yeah, you're one to talk about appearances.
Keep it up, man.
I can get Froy to put that pic back up mighty easily.
Oh, and there's a reason the kids didn't talk to you in high school.
They thought you were a leper.

[AR]

Do u have inside scoop? Not doubting u or anything. Just asking if u do. (Also not asking u to reveal the scoop btw. Just if u have it.)

No connections directly to Journey.

I know enough people in the music business and have talked about this subject with them. After the way Steve Perry has been able to keep a substantial amount of creative control over the band without being in it anymore, there is no way a virtual unknown like Augeri had any leverage in his relationship with the Journey.

[Monker]

He's already eaten too many:

Yeah, you're one to talk about appearances.
Keep it up, man.
I can get Froy to put that pic back up mighty easily.
Oh, and there's a reason the kids didn't talk to you in high school.
They thought you were a leper.

Oh, I don't care...Froy can put it up if he wants. Like I said, there are no rules. Go for it, Mayor McCheese!

Most kids in my high school probably thought a leper was some big cat with spots in Africa. So, that's actually kinda cool!

[ArnelRox]

No connections directly to Journey.

I know enough people in the music business and have talked about this subject with them. After the way Steve Perry has been able to keep a substantial amount of creative control over the band without being in it anymore, there is no way a virtual unknown like Augeri had any leverage in his relationship with the Journey.

Ok thanks for clarifying. So ur saying based on what u know of the business if the band asked Augeri to step down at any point he would of had to do it?

[Andrew]

Pick flowers people....smell the summer air before the cold winds of winter arrive...

[conversationpc]

Oh, I don't care...Froy can put it up if he wants. Like I said, there are no rules. Go for it, Mayor McCheese!

Most kids in my high school probably thought a leper was some big cat with spots in Africa. So, that's actually kinda cool!

[Monker]

Would yall quit showing food!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG, Dean had a meltdown!

[AR]

Ok thanks for clarifying. So ur saying based on what u know of the business if the band asked Augeri to step down at any point he would of had to do it?

Basically, yes.

And if the off chance that he was actually made a full partner in the band (which no one I know believes) then the guys were absolutely foolish beyond belief business-wise. Especially considering how they still have to tour when they should be set for life by now.

[junky]

We all know Augeri was having issues at the beginning of the Generations tour. He admitted that himself. So the band says "Steve please step down. Let us hire someone else so we can go on." Augeri doesn't want to step down & threatens to make contractual problems if they try to go on w/out him. Maybe this conversation happened before the Generations tour. Maybe it has been discussed for almost 2 years. Augeri held his ground & went to tape. His voice got worse but he still wouldnt step down. The band is livid w/him. But they want to go on touring. They wont be able to tour forever. Theyre getting old. They need to make hay while the sun shines. They cant just fire him bcoz they made him a partner (whether full or partial). What do they do now?

Bingo. Someone notices the tapes. The story builds & builds. Aha. Augeri has to step down. But the band has to pick up the pieces. In comes JSS-a guy who can sing live & quickly builds rapport w/fans.

Could this be what happened? We'll never know. But it's one way to look at it.

No, it doesn't work that way.
Bottom line is if the singer cannot fulfill his duties, than he/she can be fired. Partner or not.

[fred_journeyman]

Ok let me play devil's advocate for a second. Let's suppose Dean really knows the scoop ...

You know what? I'm now convinced that Deano DOES really know the scoop.

[Monker]

We all know Augeri was having issues at the beginning of the Generations tour. He admitted that himself. So the band says "Steve please step down. Let us hire someone else so we can go on." Augeri doesn't want to step down & threatens to make contractual problems if they try to go on w/out him. Maybe this conversation happened before the Generations tour. Maybe it has been discussed for almost 2 years. Augeri held his ground & went to tape. His voice got worse but he still wouldnt step down. The band is livid w/him. But they want to go on touring. They wont be able to tour forever. Theyre getting old. They need to make hay while the sun shines. They cant just fire him bcoz they made him a partner (whether full or partial). What do they do now?

Bingo. Someone notices the tapes. The story builds & builds. Aha. Augeri has to step down. But the band has to pick up the pieces. In comes JSS-a guy who can sing live & quickly builds rapport w/fans.

Could this be what happened? We'll never know. But it's one way to look at it.

No, it doesn't work that way.
Bottom line is if the singer cannot fulfill his duties, than he/she can be fired. Partner or not.

Yep! Ask Dennis DeYoung!

[nolippin]

Right, it doesn't work that way. So, why would Neal and Jon put up with the use of tapes at all...for any length of time?? I think Neal wanted Augeri gone long ago. He could have fired him for not being able to perform, Augeri would have gotten some sort of settlement, Neal would have gotten the singer he wanted, and they wouldn't have had the scandal of Tapegate??

We all know Augeri was having issues at the beginning of the Generations tour. He admitted that himself. So the band says "Steve please step down. Let us hire someone else so we can go on." Augeri doesn't want to step down & threatens to make contractual problems if they try to go on w/out him. Maybe this conversation happened before the Generations tour. Maybe it has been discussed for almost 2 years. Augeri held his ground & went to tape. His voice got worse but he still wouldnt step down. The band is livid w/him. But they want to go on touring. They wont be able to tour forever. Theyre getting old. They need to make hay while the sun shines. They cant just fire him bcoz they made him a partner (whether full or partial). What do they do now?

Bingo. Someone notices the tapes. The story builds & builds. Aha. Augeri has to step down. But the band has to pick up the pieces. In comes JSS-a guy who can sing live & quickly builds rapport w/fans.

Could this be what happened? We'll never know. But it's one way to look at it.

No, it doesn't work that way.
Bottom line is if the singer cannot fulfill his duties, than he/she can be fired. Partner or not.

[junky]

Right, it doesn't work that way. So, why would Neal and Jon put up with the use of tapes at all...for any length of time?? I think Neal wanted Augeri gone long ago. He could have fired him for not being able to perform, Augeri would have gotten some sort of settlement, Neal would have gotten the singer he wanted, and they wouldn't have had the scandal of Tapegate??

Ask Deano, he's the one with the inside scoop.

Oh, right, I already did and he never responded.

[ArnelRox]

Yep! Ask Dennis DeYoung!

Good point there.