MY Opinion

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Perry didn't work with chickens or turkeys, he built their cages.

OK ALREADY! Do you have his hourly wage, too! Sheeesh

So SP built turkey cages and SA built clothes racks. Point being they were both OUT of music when JOURNEY called them up.

[Deb]

Journey's shows are very stripped back.
You have the Scarab icon in the background and just the sheer fiery musicianship of the guys on stage.
There are no smoke machines, no lazer light shows, and no T & A.
How can you even begin to equate the sumptuous visual feast of a semi-nude Britney to a bunch of old dudes on stage?

Is the sn "FyreWyngz" a roundabout way of informing us you're actually a flaming homosexual?

LMAO. But agreed, Britney is more of a theatrical play/show then a Live concert. So personally I can accept or even understand canned vocals at a dance/theatrical show, but I sure as hell wouldn't accept it at a live Rock concert.

[Granny]

But he was unable to sing. So what should they have done? Cancel the shows and the tour?

In theory, yes.
However, let's take a pragmatic point of view, these guys can't renege on contracts, so they had no choice but to do whatever they had to and finish the already in-progress '05 tour.
Here's the kicker......
They CONTINUED to do it.
Even AFTER the tour.
They went to the UK and fleeced those poor souls and if it weren't for one possesed fan and his blog, they would've used tapes for the Leppard tour!

Immediately bring in JSS? etc.?

Yes.
Or someone else.

Just don't cheat your fans.

Especially after so many had to come to grips and make a leap of faith to even give a non-Perry Journey a shot in the first place.

It's amazing how you can accept Britney's flat-out fakery just because she's easy on the eyes but SA gets crucified for having being sick!

Talk about hypocrisy and kicking a guy when he's down!

Journey's shows are very stripped back.
You have the Scarab icon in the background and just the sheer musicianship of the guys on stage.
There are no smoke machines, no lazer light shows, and no T & A.
How can you even begin to equate the sumptuous visual feast of a semi-nude Britney to a bunch of old dudes on stage?

I don't go to concerts to SEE a show! I go to HEAR the music, the instruments, the singing . Britney can't sing, shes just cute and nothing more. Someone taught her how to dance when they should have taught her how to sing. The same with Jessica Simpson, pretty but nothing else.
GRANNY- ONE OF THE OLD FARTS- who loves Journey and Steve Perry who is very HOT!

Is the sn "FyreWyngz" a roundabout way of informing us you're actually a flaming homosexual?

[Matthew]

If I hear "mom met monkeyboy" one more time, I'm grounding her.

Monkeyboy?!

The teens nowadays do like the classicrock, alot of her friends have bands like Journey, GNR, ACDC, Aerosmith, Motley Crue in their IPODs (mixed in with Rhianna, Blackeyed peas, etc.). Classic rock must have something, because I don't remember listening to our parents music/records when I was a teen ( ok, maybe Elvis).

Yes - I listened to my parent's Hendrix and Crosby, Stills and Nash records....

I guess what's interesting at the moment is that this is the first generation of teens who don't have their 'own' music. Us farties have seen it all before...rock...metal...rap...punk...house...it's all been done so it's almost impossible for kid's now to piss off their parents in the way we used to be able to. I remember playing my old man "Ride the Lightning" by Metallica and he thought I'd gone mad. I can't imagine what a kid would have to play me now to get the same shock value.

So maybe we're the first generation of middle-aged types who aren't old farts?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

In theory, yes.
However, let's take a pragmatic point of view, these guys can't renege on contracts, so they had no choice but to do whatever they had to and finish the already in-progress '05 tour.
Here's the kicker......
They CONTINUED to do it.
Even AFTER the tour.
They went to the UK and fleeced those poor souls and if it weren't for one possesed fan and his blog, they would've used tapes for the Leppard tour!

Theory is NOT necessarily reality. Why do you think they continued to do it? Come on? Unless you know why then I think it's pretty much impossible to stand in judgment.

1. Where's the evidence?
2. Where's the confession?
3. Where's the "why"?

You're a terrible juror. You're ready to convict based off a lot of nothing.

It's amazing how you can accept Britney's flat-out fakery just because she's easy on the eyes but SA gets crucified for having being sick!

Talk about hypocrisy and kicking a guy when he's down!

Journey's shows are very stripped back.
You have the Scarab icon in the background and just the sheer musicianship of the guys on stage.
There are no smoke machines, no lazer light shows, and no T & A.
How can you even begin to equate the sumptuous visual feast of a semi-nude Britney to a bunch of old dudes on stage?

I'm NOT - YOU ARE! You're saying it's OK for Brit to fake it but not JOURNEY. If they were faking then I'd have to presume that they were faking for good reason and not solely because SA loses it after a few minutes of wiggling.

Is the sn "FyreWyngz" a roundabout way of informing us you're actually a flaming homosexual?

YES! Damn, you're clever to figure that one out! SNAP! I thought I was fooling EVERYONE! I used to be pinned down as some maniacal hacker but you've found me out!

Please don't tell my wife and kids!

I think you're a pickle or two shy of a burger. It's a play on the Phoenix which I don't believe is gay but hot nonetheless. Did I just say that out loud...? I used to be hot. Now I can hardly heat up a can of soup.

Our second son's name is Key which is Irish for "Son of the fiery one."

Go figure.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But he was unable to sing. So what should they have done? Cancel the shows and the tour?

In theory, yes.
However, let's take a pragmatic point of view, these guys can't renege on contracts, so they had no choice but to do whatever they had to and finish the already in-progress '05 tour.
Here's the kicker......
They CONTINUED to do it.
Even AFTER the tour.
They went to the UK and fleeced those poor souls and if it weren't for one possesed fan and his blog, they would've used tapes for the Leppard tour!

Immediately bring in JSS? etc.?

Yes.
Or someone else.

Just don't cheat your fans.

Especially after so many had to come to grips and make a leap of faith to even give a non-Perry Journey a shot in the first place.

It's amazing how you can accept Britney's flat-out fakery just because she's easy on the eyes but SA gets crucified for having being sick!

Talk about hypocrisy and kicking a guy when he's down!

Journey's shows are very stripped back.
You have the Scarab icon in the background and just the sheer musicianship of the guys on stage.
There are no smoke machines, no lazer light shows, and no T & A.
How can you even begin to equate the sumptuous visual feast of a semi-nude Britney to a bunch of old dudes on stage?

I don't go to concerts to SEE a show! I go to HEAR the music, the instruments, the singing . Britney can't sing, shes just cute and nothing more. Someone taught her how to dance when they should have taught her how to sing. The same with Jessica Simpson, pretty but nothing else.
GRANNY- ONE OF THE OLD FARTS- who loves Journey and Steve Perry who is very HOT!

Is the sn "FyreWyngz" a roundabout way of informing us you're actually a flaming homosexual?

Something the matter, you gray haired old bat?
Guys, I think Grandma needs her colostomy bag emptied.

[Granny]

TNC-

You are a bigger asshole than I originally thought. Only your opinions count!!!??? And whats with that stupid AV. It needs to be changed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Theory is NOT necessarily reality. Why do you think they continued to do it?

Who cares?
Like the warden gives two shits why the inmate wiped out his entire family before pulling the lever to the electric chair?
Wrong is wrong and the perpetrator (Augeri) was caught and punished for it.

Come on? Unless you know why then I think it's pretty much impossible to stand in judgment.

Nobody put a gun to their heads to pull what they pulled.
Even Deano was gonna let them off the hook if they stopped w/ the tapes after the US Generations tour.

1. Where's the evidence?

Dean posted plenty of it.
So did Svante.
So did acclaimed melodic artist Michael St. Allen.
So did our own would-be journalist Bionic.

And that's just the public extent of it.

2. Where's the confession?

None have been made publicly.

You're a terrible juror. You're ready to convict based off a lot of nothing.

LOL.
You're so out of your depth right now it pains me to read this tripe.

Pick yourself up by your bootstraps and do your own damn investigating - like Deano or respected musician, Michael St. Allen, over on the Noticeboard.
Nobody here is entitled to a handout.

I'm NOT - YOU ARE! You're saying it's OK for Brit to fake it but not JOURNEY.

No, I don't condone Britney's fakery, but there is more included in the price of a Britney ticket than just her "music".

If they were faking then I'd have to presume that they were faking for good reason and not solely because SA loses it after a few minutes of wiggling.

Such as?
Lock the world's greatest minds in a room together for a week.
Even they will be hard pressed to come up with an excuse that justifies what they did.

[Deb]

Yes - I listened to my parent's Hendrix and Crosby, Stills and Nash records....

I guess what's interesting at the moment is that this is the first generation of teens who don't have their 'own' music. Us farties have seen it all before...rock...metal...rap...punk...house...it's all been done so it's almost impossible for kid's now to piss off their parents in the way we used to be able to. I remember playing my old man "Ride the Lightning" by Metallica and he thought I'd gone mad. I can't imagine what a kid would have to play me now to get the same shock value.

So maybe we're the first generation of middle-aged types who aren't old farts?

Actually the more I think about it Matt, your right..........the first time I heard Fleetwood Mac and/or the Guess Who was from my Uncle's record collection.

LOL, my daughter will play a Marilyn Manson cd.....I don't even think she likes him much, just likes to think she is freaking me out. I just tell her thats ok babygirl, we had Alice (Cooper) and Ozzy, so go bark at the moon.......where do you think MM came from?

PS.....MM does creep me out tho.....just something not right about a guy that wears fake boobs!

[L~L~L]

Perry didn't work with chickens or turkeys, he built their cages.

Fyrewingz sometimes the right music does not make it to the right people's hands. As you can tell the wrong people make it in the buisness like Britney Spears. Augeri was never ment for success, 1 record does not make you a superstar. Your coments about Perry's teeth are uncalled for and childish. However, I am sure cleaning toilets at the GAP came with dental benefits!

Childish...? Since when is ANYONE here childish? Hey - I'm just quoting what was in the book.

I do believe The Gap has a superior dental plan or at least they BETTER considering the prices they charge!

I found the GAP's Dental Plan and it isn't pretty

[The_Noble_Cause]

And whats with that stupid AV. It needs to be changed.

So does ur adult diaper jam-packed with feces trailing out of it, but far be it from me to give someone fashion advice.

[yulog]

hang in there granny its going to be a rough one

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I found the GAP's Dental Plan and it isn't pretty

mmmmm...Winterfresh...

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Who cares?
Like the warden gives two shits why the inmate wiped out his entire family before pulling the lever to the electric chair?
Wrong is wrong and the perpetrator (Augeri) was caught and punished for it.

The Warden is NOT the jury. The Warden merely watches over a facility where the convicted are held.

I care.

Because I don't know exactly what their motives were I can't pass judgment.

How was SA punished? It's been reported that he's taking time off to recover. How is that punishment? You know you make it sound like you're in on all the JOURNEY managerial meetings.

Come on? Unless you know why then I think it's pretty much impossible to stand in judgment.

Nobody put a gun to their heads to pull what they pulled.
Even Deano was gonna let them off the hook if they stopped w/ the tapes after the US Generations tour.

How do you know what was held up to anyone's head? Deano was gonna let them off the hook? Who is Deano? Isn't he just a fan like anyone else here? You speak of him as if he's more than that.

I highly doubt you nor Deano know anything about the WHY. You're just out to be judge, jury and executioners.

It's amazing. In the American legal system a person can commit MURDER and be acquitted. A person can have all the evidence in the world pointing at them. They may even have confessed. They can still be acquitted! Why? Because a jury may hold the Chris Rock view regarding OJ Simpson: I don't think he should've killed her - but I understand!

There were REASONS behind Tapegate and until those reasons are divulged I can't pass judgment. And I find it ridiculous that the focus you and others have placed on it is akin to a murder case!

1. Where's the evidence?

Dean posted plenty of it.
So did Svante.
So did acclaimed melodic artist Michael St. Allen.
So did our own would-be journalist Bionic.

And that's just the public extent of it.

The internet is NOT a court of law and any "evidence" that people want to barf up is subject to scrutiny. You make it sound like the stuff that was barfed up is gospel. I read through all the muck and was entirely unconvinced.
Deano - JOURNEY fan gone loco.
Michael St. Allen - acclaimed? By whom?
Bionic - "would-be" is he ever "going-to-be"?

These people have no more credibility than the next guy!

The ONLY CREDIBLE evidence is in JOURNEY's confession. Their use of The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again" is obviously a confession.

I suppose you'll argue that Dean and the above brought this confession about. He'll tell you that he did, too as well as being single-handedly responsible for getting JSS the job. The FACT of the matter is that that's unsubstantiated. Nobody here knows what was going on internally with JOURNEY. They may very well have been planning on bringing in JSS a long time ago. You just don't know. And because there's reasonable doubt you can't say that Dean and Company can stake claim to anything.

[L~L~L]

I found the GAP's Dental Plan and it isn't pretty

mmmmm...Winterfresh...

Hey where did the picture go? Am I being censored Why censor a harmless picture of toilet bowl cleaner and allow vagina, penis pictures and all kinds of vulgarities?

[RunningAlone Pgh]

Whatever! Maybe I was subconsciously trying to be kind. There's something more distinguishing working with chickens than turkeys. Plus there's no name in the turkey industry that's as known Perdue so it's much funnier to skew history and claim chickens.

You're kidding, right? I don't know - you don't hear the derisive phrase "turkeyshit" bandied about as you do "chickenshit".... and what might be "distinguishing" about working with chickens would be the odor of...... chickenSHIT!

As for Perry's accomplishments, they stand for themselves...

[Rockindeano]

And because there's reasonable doubt you can't say that Dean and Company can stake claim to anything.

Any person with a brain knows what happened, and I for one, am done with it. The only people who do not believe me and do not believe what happened as I stated, are just in denial.

People who are involved, ie, people who matter, have accepted this and moved on.

I am not happy with the way it was done, but seriously folks, was there a better way? There had to be some fire and brimstone thrown to affect change, especially when the part needing change was not willing to do his job with integrity, thus I came into view, and what happened, well, happened, and frankly, it's the best we could have ever hoped for being Journey fans.

By the way, I don't need a title "staking claim to anything." I know what I did, so does Neal, Jon, Deen, Ross and others. Folks, it's all good now. Can we put this thing behind us and move on?

[Marabelle]

Deano, you are so humble it is freakin me out!!!!

[SteveForever]

And because there's reasonable doubt you can't say that Dean and Company can stake claim to anything.

Any person with a brain knows what happened, and I for one, am done with it. The only people who do not believe me and do not believe what happened as I stated, are just in denial.

People who are involved, ie, people who matter, have accepted this and moved on.

I am not happy with the way it was done, but seriously folks, was there a better way? There had to be some fire and brimstone thrown to affect change, especially when the part needing change was not willing to do his job with integrity, thus I came into view, and what happened, well, happened, and frankly, it's the best we could have ever hoped for being Journey fans.

By the way, I don't need a title "staking claim to anything." I know what I did, so does Neal, Jon, Deen, Ross and others. Folks, it's all good now. Can we put this thing behind us and move on?

Dean, why aren't you in the pics. posted? JSS and Neal told you to be quiet about this didn't they, so why are you still talking about it?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Because I don't know exactly what their motives were I can't pass judgment.

When is lip syncing for over a tour and a half EVER justifiable?
Even if the guys were about to be evicted from their estates, or if one of the children were gravely ill, it still shouldn't be paid for at the expense of their time-tested and loyal hearted fans.

How was SA punished? It's been reported that he's taking time off to recover. How is that punishment?

The guy was circuitously ousted from the band.
Plan and simple.

How do you know what was held up to anyone's head? Deano was gonna let them off the hook? Who is Deano? Isn't he just a fan like anyone else here? You speak of him as if he's more than that.

In this expeditous-technology ladden age, a fan can be more than just a lost face in a crowd.
Deano's online blog was the catalyst that led to Augeri's firing, departure - whatever.
With the use of the internet, Deano overode the wishes of Azoff management itself, and forced their hand.
Something even band leader Neal Schon couldn't do.

I highly doubt you nor Deano know anything about the WHY. You're just out to be judge, jury and executioners.

You'd be wrong, and snide comments like that aren't gonna get u any closer to the truth.
Best throw on a parka, seems you're gonna be out in the cold for the long haul.

There were REASONS behind Tapegate and until those reasons are divulged I can't pass judgment. And I find it ridiculous that the focus you and others have placed on it is akin to a murder case!

Name some legitimate reasons for fleecing your fanbase then.
I've asked you before to no response.
List some.
A fanbase, mind you, whom (many) were skeptical to give the post-perry lineup a shot to begin with.

He'll tell you that he did, too as well as being single-handedly responsible for getting JSS the job. The FACT of the matter is that that's unsubstantiated. Nobody here knows what was going on internally with JOURNEY.

Speak for yourself please.
Just becase you are a snake oil salesman by trade, doesn't mean everyone here is out trying to pull a con.

[AR]

Dean, why aren't you in the pics. posted?

I decided not to repost his pic when I moved the photos to a site with more space. It occurred to me that Dean is going to more shows and while most people are friendly with him there are those around who are not. So I just didn't re-post it. Nothing more to it than that.

[SteveForever]

Dean, why aren't you in the pics. posted?

I decided not to repost his pic when I moved the photos to a site with more space. It occured to me that Dean is going to more shows and while most people are friendly with him there are those who are not. So I just didn't re-post it. Nothing more to it than that.

I think you are wise to do so, lots of weirdos in this world, you're a good friend.

[Enigma869]

And because there's reasonable doubt you can't say that Dean and Company can stake claim to anything.

Any person with a brain knows what happened, and I for one, am done with it. The only people who do not believe me and do not believe what happened as I stated, are just in denial.

People who are involved, ie, people who matter, have accepted this and moved on.

I am not happy with the way it was done, but seriously folks, was there a better way? There had to be some fire and brimstone thrown to affect change, especially when the part needing change was not willing to do his job with integrity, thus I came into view, and what happened, well, happened, and frankly, it's the best we could have ever hoped for being Journey fans.

By the way, I don't need a title "staking claim to anything." I know what I did, so does Neal, Jon, Deen, Ross and others. Folks, it's all good now. Can we put this thing behind us and move on?

WHOA!!!! This might be the most well-thought out and reasonable post I've ever seen from you, Deano! Change is in the air. I feel it!

John from Boston

[Vladan]

Deano's always been like this, just sometimes gets alittle passionate, thats about it. Often we can get carried away in the heat of the moment, not holding back - we have to take a rest sometime.

[Rockindeano]

WHOA!!!! This might be the most well-thought out and reasonable post I've ever seen from you, Deano! Change is in the air. I feel it!

John from Boston

Yeah, go look at my post in the Hands acroos the Atlantic thread. I am not nice all the time.

[Saint John]

WHOA!!!! This might be the most well-thought out and reasonable post I've ever seen from you, Deano! Change is in the air. I feel it!

John from Boston

Yeah, go look at my post in the Hands acroos the Atlantic thread. I am not nice all the time.

Would the "Hands Across The Atlantic" post also be applicable to Monker? Just curious.

[Rockindeano]

WHOA!!!! This might be the most well-thought out and reasonable post I've ever seen from you, Deano! Change is in the air. I feel it!

John from Boston

Yeah, go look at my post in the Hands acroos the Atlantic thread. I am not nice all the time.

Would the "Hands Across The Atalantic" post also be applicable to Monker? Just curious.

No. No it wouldn't. I would love to strap a stick of dynamite to a python and have him slither up Monkers rectum..That would be a fuckin roar!

[Saint John]

WHOA!!!! This might be the most well-thought out and reasonable post I've ever seen from you, Deano! Change is in the air. I feel it!

John from Boston

Yeah, go look at my post in the Hands acroos the Atlantic thread. I am not nice all the time.

Would the "Hands Across The Atalantic" post also be applicable to Monker? Just curious.

No. No it wouldn't. I would love to strap a stick of dynamite to a python and have him slither up Monkers rectum..That would be a fuckin roar!

Dude, you should write a "How To Kill/Mutilate/Mame Fuckers You Don't Like" book. I'd buy it faster than "The Herd" at a buffet.

[A Fire Inside]

It's amazing how you can accept Britney's flat-out fakery just because she's easy on the eyes but SA gets crucified for having being sick!

Talk about hypocrisy and kicking a guy when he's down!

IAWTP, it makes me sick to see SA talked about like he is when no one possibly knows all the facts and who really deserves that kind of blame.

I for one hate the whole band, but I'm not taking potshots at the grandpa-ish way Neal grimaces when he plays or the fact that Ross thinks he is hilarious when he is not. So Augeri danced onstage, so what?

[Saint John]

It's amazing how you can accept Britney's flat-out fakery just because she's easy on the eyes but SA gets crucified for having being sick!

Talk about hypocrisy and kicking a guy when he's down!

IAWTP, it makes me sick to see SA talked about like he is when no one possibly knows all the facts and who really deserves that kind of blame.

I for one hate the whole band, but I'm not taking potshots at the grandpa-ish way Neal grimaces when he plays or the fact that Ross thinks he is hilarious when he is not. So Augeri danced onstage, so what?

All Augeri has to do is address the issue. If he did nothing wrong then he should release a statement through his publicist or another outlet. His silence is what has created the "snowball" effect. If he is an innocent man there should be no reason not to come forward and say so. No amount of money should be able to silence a man being accused of what he is. His voice is/was his career. Any individual that cared about their career and image would've responded when the story went nationwide. Just do a Google search and look at some of the places the story surfaced.

As for the Neal comment, he is playing as well now as he ever has. And MANY people find Ross's antics funny. If anyone, you should've commented about the constipated look Cain had for the last 3 years. That too, is now gone. The band seems to have the energy needed to take off in a new direction. In fact, THAT should be the title of their next album...DIRECTION. Something they haven't had in 20 years.