ARF Announcement....Interesting Wording

[Crazie Scarab]

So, according to scarygirl's logic, every true star with amazing talent will obviously get the recognition they deserve and achieve major US success within a few years of trying to make it in the music business, and only those deemed "worthy" by the US media machine are the real deal...sorry, it doesn't work like that.

Besides, I'd much rather be well respected by the members of Queen, Journey, and a dozen other talented megastars, have been asked to collaborate with dozens more, and have staying power in the fickle European and Asian markets, than have the rubber stamp of the US industry - the same people that told me Britney Spears and Nickelback are "talented".

Sorry, but that logic really is "scary".

A true star is in the heart.

scarygirl ain't in anybody's heart.

No worries.

[Monker]

Because they'll be able to go on irregardless and his reputation will be tarnished forever as the man who lipped for Journey. Wrong is wrong.

Our fearless Wombat leader has stated twice now that there is NO gag order in effect.
If Augeri feels wronged than he should speak out.

If he is in negotiations on exiting the band thenhe would be FOOLISH to talk right now...and so would the band. The exact same thing happened before Perry exited. This is why, IMO, Andrew has asked to "gag" himself and his interview.

[Monker]

We will continue to buy albums and attend concerts like a bunch of saps regardless.

I won't. I will wait to hear the next CD before I buy it (and hopefully there will be links to samples someplace on the 'Net). I will not attend another concert until Journey decides to play the new music that they produce. It's ridiculous to even produce new music unless they're going to play it in concert like they actually like it.

Yep, I agree...and it will not suprise me if there are a lot more people who feel the same. Like Allen said, at some point they become a parody of themselves. It will be interesting to see how well they do the next time they tour as the main act, not opening for a band like Def Lep.

[Monker]

True, but Augeri's not an idiot either. He may feel that if he says anything now, he jeopardizes any position he has left in Journey. Once the "deal" is done and signed on the dotted line, it may very well include a "let's agree not to talk about it" order.

And, I think Augeri would be foolish to sign anything like that. If he is under contract, and THE BAND wants him out...then AUGERI has the upper hand to demand what he wants - JUST AS PERRY DID. At this point, a 'gag order' is USELESS for Augeri...but it could be very damaging to Journey if it's not there. So, if Augeri wants to defend himself, he's not going to sign an exit agreement with that in it.

LRB has no original members in it, yet the original members are not allowed to call themselves LRB.

That situation is even worse then that...They can't even say "the original voices of LRB" in their promotions without jumping through a bunch of legal hoops and court battles. BSG is supposed to tour next year...and it will be interesting to see what happens between BSG and LRB.

[scarygirl]

No, I didn't say that. I also said that there are probably people who are known in Europe but not in the US and vice versa. Don't misquote me. Besides all that, a marker of succes is music has traditionally been breaking into the US market.

I don't listen to Britney, but you apparently do!

So, according to scarygirl's logic, every true star with amazing talent will obviously get the recognition they deserve and achieve major US success within a few years of trying to make it in the music business, and only those deemed "worthy" by the US media machine are the real deal...sorry, it doesn't work like that.

Besides, I'd much rather be well respected by the members of Queen, Journey, and a dozen other talented megastars, have been asked to collaborate with dozens more, and have staying power in the fickle European and Asian markets, than have the rubber stamp of the US industry - the same people that told me Britney Spears and Nickelback are "talented".

Sorry, but that logic really is "scary".

A true star is in the heart.

scarygirl ain't in anybody's heart.

No worries.

[Monker]

Re: Jeff - I wasn't trying to imply or state that he would even THINK of lipping. What I simply meant was that IF his voice ever started to go and he couldn't continue as Journey's front man, a new lead singer would be introduced...provided Journey was still around. The whole thing with their lead singers simply reminds me of Spinal Tap and their the new drummer scenario every time they turned around. That's all I'm saying...nothing more...nothing implied...no hidden meaning. Just a funny thought (to me) in my head and that's it.

Yep...and that's why I brought up Spinal Tap in the other thread.

[Monker]

So, according to scarygirl's logic, every true star with amazing talent will obviously get the recognition they deserve and achieve major US success within a few years of trying to make it in the music business, and only those deemed "worthy" by the US media machine are the real deal...sorry, it doesn't work like that.

Besides, I'd much rather be well respected by the members of Queen, Journey, and a dozen other talented megastars, have been asked to collaborate with dozens more, and have staying power in the fickle European and Asian markets, than have the rubber stamp of the US industry - the same people that told me Britney Spears and Nickelback are "talented".

Sorry, but that logic really is "scary".

A true star is in the heart.

scarygirl ain't in anybody's heart.

No worries.

You guys are completely missing, or ignoring, her point.

The bottom line is that MOST Journey fans didn't even know who JSS was until Soul Sirkus. So, what exactly does he bring that Augeri didn't? Some type of reputation in the industry? Some type of work ethic? That's they same type of hype that was out about Augeri...and his "90's version of Journey that was a victim of the changing music scene" and the comparisons with Perry, and Neal's story of hearing the "rockier version of Journey", when talking about Tall Stories.

JSS may be a talented guy. He may have a following in Europe and smaller following in the US. He may even have more respect in the industry then Augeri ever did.

So what.

He's NOT Steve Perry. He's NOT Sammy Hagar. His name is NOT a household name that is going to make Journey an instant success just because he is there. He doesn't bring anything more to the table then what Augeri did in 1998. THAT is the point...and I agree with it. Hell, I was saying that abut SS when he replaced Hagar.

[scarygirl]

Thanks Monker!

quote="Monker"]

So, according to scarygirl's logic, every true star with amazing talent will obviously get the recognition they deserve and achieve major US success within a few years of trying to make it in the music business, and only those deemed "worthy" by the US media machine are the real deal...sorry, it doesn't work like that.

Besides, I'd much rather be well respected by the members of Queen, Journey, and a dozen other talented megastars, have been asked to collaborate with dozens more, and have staying power in the fickle European and Asian markets, than have the rubber stamp of the US industry - the same people that told me Britney Spears and Nickelback are "talented".

Sorry, but that logic really is "scary".

A true star is in the heart.

scarygirl ain't in anybody's heart.

No worries.

You guys are completely missing, or ignoring, her point.

The bottom line is that MOST Journey fans didn't even know who JSS was until Soul Sirkus. So, what exactly does he bring that Augeri didn't? Some type of reputation in the industry? Some type of work ethic? That's they same type of hype that was out about Augeri...and his "90's version of Journey that was a victim of the changing music scene" and the comparisons with Perry, and Neal's story of hearing the "rockier version of Journey", when talking about Tall Stories.

JSS may be a talented guy. He may have a following in Europe and smaller following in the US. He may even have more respect in the industry then Augeri ever did.

So what.

He's NOT Steve Perry. He's NOT Sammy Hagar. His name is NOT a household name that is going to make Journey an instant success just because he is there. He doesn't bring anything more to the table then what Augeri did in 1998. THAT is the point...and I agree with it. Hell, I was saying that abut SS when he replaced Hagar.[/quote]

[Melissa]

So, according to scarygirl's logic, every true star with amazing talent will obviously get the recognition they deserve and achieve major US success within a few years of trying to make it in the music business, and only those deemed "worthy" by the US media machine are the real deal...sorry, it doesn't work like that.

Besides, I'd much rather be well respected by the members of Queen, Journey, and a dozen other talented megastars, have been asked to collaborate with dozens more, and have staying power in the fickle European and Asian markets, than have the rubber stamp of the US industry - the same people that told me Britney Spears and Nickelback are "talented".

Sorry, but that logic really is "scary".

Exactly! Thank you.

[Melissa]

So, according to scarygirl's logic, every true star with amazing talent will obviously get the recognition they deserve and achieve major US success within a few years of trying to make it in the music business, and only those deemed "worthy" by the US media machine are the real deal...sorry, it doesn't work like that.

Besides, I'd much rather be well respected by the members of Queen, Journey, and a dozen other talented megastars, have been asked to collaborate with dozens more, and have staying power in the fickle European and Asian markets, than have the rubber stamp of the US industry - the same people that told me Britney Spears and Nickelback are "talented".

Sorry, but that logic really is "scary".

A true star is in the heart.

scarygirl ain't in anybody's heart.

No worries.

You guys are completely missing, or ignoring, her point.

The bottom line is that MOST Journey fans didn't even know who JSS was until Soul Sirkus. So, what exactly does he bring that Augeri didn't? Some type of reputation in the industry? Some type of work ethic? That's they same type of hype that was out about Augeri...and his "90's version of Journey that was a victim of the changing music scene" and the comparisons with Perry, and Neal's story of hearing the "rockier version of Journey", when talking about Tall Stories.

JSS may be a talented guy. He may have a following in Europe and smaller following in the US. He may even have more respect in the industry then Augeri ever did.

So what.

He's NOT Steve Perry. He's NOT Sammy Hagar. His name is NOT a household name that is going to make Journey an instant success just because he is there. He doesn't bring anything more to the table then what Augeri did in 1998. THAT is the point...and I agree with it. Hell, I was saying that abut SS when he replaced Hagar.

I didn't miss her "point", which is actually an opinion, as is your's, & mine, & everyone else's here. If you're both so uninterested in Journey with JSS, then WHY are you here? And you know how OLD it is to see "JSS is not so & so", like you're informing us of some earth shattering news? Boring.

[Lula]

quote="Monker"]

He's NOT Steve Perry. He's NOT Sammy Hagar. His name is NOT a household name that is going to make Journey an instant success just because he is there. He doesn't bring anything more to the table then what Augeri did in 1998. THAT is the point...and I agree with it. Hell, I was saying that abut SS when he replaced Hagar.[/quote]

I mean no offense to Augeri, but Jeff's songwritng ability is much stonger than Augeri's., as is his voice and energy. As far as replacing Hagar.... I think Neal formed a new band- new members, new name, new songs which were co-written by Schon/JSS- except for one. No singer will ever be Steve Perry other than the man himself. Those that can't enjoy the music today are missing out big time!

[Melissa]

Great post Lula!

[Monker]

I didn't miss her "point", which is actually an opinion, as is your's, & mine, & everyone else's here.

No it's not. It is a FACT that he does not have the same name recognition that Perry, or Sammy, has. JSS does NOT bring anything other then a "new voice" to Journey, EXACTLY the same as Augeri did in 1998.

If you're both so uninterested in Journey with JSS, then WHY are you here? And you know how OLD it is to see "JSS is not so & so", like you're informing us of some earth shattering news? Boring.

If it's so boring, don't read it and don't reply. But, I *AM* going to write it - despite what you, a few others, and Andrew want.

[Lula]

Great post Lula!

As is yours, Melissa

As Monker stated, he'll just keep posting no matter what

[Monker]

I mean no offense to Augeri, but Jeff's songwritng ability is much stonger than Augeri's., as is his voice and energy.

That is EXACTLY the same thing we heard about Augeri in 1998.

As far as replacing Hagar.... I think Neal formed a new band- new members, new name, new songs which were co-written by Schon/JSS- except for one.

NOT TRUE. SS morphed from PlanetUS after Hagar exited and JSS joined. When that happened, I argued that it would go nowhere because they no longer had Sammy's name recognition.

No singer will ever be Steve Perry other than the man himself.

THAT is not the point. The point is that a dozen other people could be JSS and it wouldn't make any difference in Journey.

Those that can't enjoy the music today are missing out big time!

Yeah, we're all missing out on hearing "Separate Ways" in concert for the 10th time. I don't see that as 'missing out big time'. I see it as not getting caught up in all the hype and propaganda and viewing things with a bit of realism...something that is lacking in this forum.

[Rockindeano]

I mean no offense to Augeri, but Jeff's songwritng ability is much stonger than Augeri's., as is his voice and energy.

That is EXACTLY the same thing we heard about Augeri in 1998.

True. However, Journey fans were obviously looking for anything positive and Augeri looked better than NO Journey at all. Then of course, many people started fawning over him, overlooking his obvious faults and complete substandard abilities.

As far as replacing Hagar.... I think Neal formed a new band- new members, new name, new songs which were co-written by Schon/JSS- except for one.

NOT TRUE. SS morphed from PlanetUS after Hagar exited and JSS joined. When that happened, I argued that it would go nowhere because they no longer had Sammy's name recognition.

Sammy split and JSS came in. That is NOT the reason Soul Sirkus didn't go anywhere. Geez Monker, I thought you knew your history and your Journey history. Soul Sirkus was clipped at the knees because of it's possible cut in to Journey's cash cache.

No singer will ever be Steve Perry other than the man himself.

THAT is not the point. The point is that a dozen other people could be JSS and it wouldn't make any difference in Journey

.

Wrong. It is ALWAYS the point. Perry is ALWAYS the benchmark, the point to where people judge Journey, Journey's singers and Journey's success. I don't care what people say, and even neal says it, Perry was souch a big part and obviously still is, that even as good as JSS is, he will be measured against Perry, NOT Augeri. Hell, he already has surpassed Augeri. Back tou the point in this thread, Lula was right. JSS and Neal have a deinite chemistry. They write so well together. Augeri never wrote anything good in Journey, period. SoulSirkus is twice as good as any of Journey's last 3 records.

Those that can't enjoy the music today are missing out big time!

Yeah, we're all missing out on hearing "Separate Ways" in concert for the 10th time. I don't see that as 'missing out big time'. I see it as not getting caught up in all the hype and propaganda and viewing things with a bit of realism...something that is lacking in this forum.

Get real. Separate Ways will always be there in the setlist. However, I do agree with you Monker, in that something new and fresh needs to be brought onboard. Jeff has proven that he can make great music with Schon in the SS debut. Augeri had 8 years to put out 3 substandard records.

As for realism, I think you are just pissed because you have such an outside view of Journey, unlike a few others, who do see what is really happening, up front and personal.

[fred_journeyman]

That situation is even worse then that...They can't even say "the original voices of LRB" in their promotions without jumping through a bunch of legal hoops and court battles. BSG is supposed to tour next year...and it will be interesting to see what happens between BSG and LRB.

Really? Wow. That will be interesting to see what happens then.

[fred_journeyman]

If it's so boring, don't read it and don't reply. But, I *AM* going to write it - despite what you, a few others, and Andrew want.

What "they" want is to have people on this board who only think one way. "They" can say whatever they want to say and repeat it a million times and act as if that's the first time it's been stated. When you, I or someone else who tends to think like we do post something twice or...God forbid...THREE times (usually in response to someone else), then all we do is say the same thing over and over and over and over. It really simply boils down to which side of the fence you're on and whether you're posts are considered to be "worthy" of being posted here. I'm not quite ready to be a good little "automaton" and post only "positive" things about Journey ...

I note some "voices of reason" in particular have long stopped posting here. Too bad too.

[fred_journeyman]

Those that can't enjoy the music today are missing out big time!

How? How? Journey plays NOTHING new in concert. I LOVE the old tunes. I'm just sick and tired of hearing them live in concert. I can put on a CD and hear them sung by the guy who not only helped make the songs famous but has the voice that those songs were built around.

By not attending a Journey concert, I'm missing nothing. Until they decide collectively that playing NEW music is more important than playing JUST the classic tunes, there is no reason for me to go to a live Journey concert.

[Rockindeano]

Those that can't enjoy the music today are missing out big time!

How? How? Journey plays NOTHING new in concert. I LOVE the old tunes. I'm just sick and tired of hearing them live in concert. I can put on a CD and hear them sung by the guy who not only helped make the songs famous but has the voice that those songs were built around.

By not attending a Journey concert, I'm missing nothing. Until they decide collectively that playing NEW music is more important than playing JUST the classic tunes, there is no reason for me to go to a live Journey concert.

Then by that reasoning, there is no reason for you post on a message board. Not being a smartass, just taking your words and applying them here.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I mean no offense to Augeri, but Jeff's songwritng ability is much stonger than Augeri's., as is his voice and energy.

That is EXACTLY the same thing we heard about Augeri in 1998.

Only this time it's not an empty promise.
"Sirkus" proved that Soto and Schon share real songwriting chemistry...the likes of which we haven't witnessed since Perry/Schon.
You do realize they already have stuff in the can, right?
For the first time in a good long time Neal is excited about his band again.

I've been on here for years saying the Augeri-lineup had very little writing chemistry.
Naturally, u denied it.
However, the Soto-era will soon vinidcate me and prove you to be the shistain on the world that u are.

[donnaplease]

If it's so boring, don't read it and don't reply. But, I *AM* going to write it - despite what you, a few others, and Andrew want.

What "they" want is to have people on this board who only think one way. "They" can say whatever they want to say and repeat it a million times and act as if that's the first time it's been stated. When you, I or someone else who tends to think like we do post something twice or...God forbid...THREE times (usually in response to someone else), then all we do is say the same thing over and over and over and over. It really simply boils down to which side of the fence you're on and whether you're posts are considered to be "worthy" of being posted here. I'm not quite ready to be a good little "automaton" and post only "positive" things about Journey ...

I note some "voices of reason" in particular have long stopped posting here. Too bad too.

Fred, I've gotta sincerely disagree with you here. There is lots of dialogue and many contradicting views here. I think the problem is that there are certain people who argue just for the sake of arguing. They don't accept things the way they are, nor do they want to see change. I'm certainly no authority on anything Journey, SP, SA, JSS, or anything else talked about here, but I do want to know what's going on with this band (past, present and future) and that's why I'm here. It would seem to me that those who do not have an interest in the current Journey for whatever reason should not hang out here.

I do agree with you about the fence, though. It's the same way in politics, religion, sports, etc. We tend to migrate to whatever side of the fence we most relate to. I happen to be a loon who is ever hopeful of a future reunion, but in the meantime I'm digging this lineup. Do I giggle at some of the obnoxious stuff here sometimes? Absolutely. Would I like being on the 'other' side of that fence? No. But if I found myself there, and really didn't have a true interest in this band at this time, I'd probably find a better way to spend my time. I should probably do that anyway...

I see where scarygirl is coming from, and respect her views, and honestly even agree with some of them. But...Steve Perry wasn't famous before joining Journey either. And see what they accomplished together...?

[Melissa]

Great post Lula!

As is yours, Melissa

As Monker stated, he'll just keep posting no matter what

Thanks Lula, you are so right. I'm not even going to bother anymore, lol.

[Lula]

I mean no offense to Augeri, but Jeff's songwritng ability is much stonger than Augeri's., as is his voice and energy.

That is EXACTLY the same thing we heard about Augeri in 1998.

As far as replacing Hagar.... I think Neal formed a new band- new members, new name, new songs which were co-written by Schon/JSS- except for one.

NOT TRUE. SS morphed from PlanetUS after Hagar exited and JSS joined. When that happened, I argued that it would go nowhere because they no longer had Sammy's name recognition.

No singer will ever be Steve Perry other than the man himself.

THAT is not the point. The point is that a dozen other people could be JSS and it wouldn't make any difference in Journey.

Those that can't enjoy the music today are missing out big time!

Yeah, we're all missing out on hearing "Separate Ways" in concert for the 10th time. I don't see that as 'missing out big time'. I see it as not getting caught up in all the hype and propaganda and viewing things with a bit of realism...something that is lacking in this forum.

Well Monker, I was not following Journey back in 1998, but I'm pretty sure that the talk back then was not about Augeri's talent in comparison to Jeff's.

The writing credits on World Play are written as Schon and Soto- minus "Peephole." There was a change in chemistry, i.e., players, not some morphing as you call it.

I couldn't care less whether or not you enjoy Journey today. To me you are just another one of those 'negative nellies' spewing your bitterness about.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Here's hoping tomorrow is the day as far as the announcement and the interviews. It's been about two weeks since JSS interviewed in Puerto Rico and that was the timeframe he gave. And it's a Monday, which is when important things seem to show up in Journey camp (tour dates, etc.). I don't know how much more of this going back and forth on everything I can take. Let's get something of substance to talk about.

[Andrew]

If it's so boring, don't read it and don't reply. But, I *AM* going to write it - despite what you, a few others, and Andrew want.

What "they" want is to have people on this board who only think one way.

Er, no. How boring would that be. But, the board without one or two complete tools might be more enjoyable.

[fred_journeyman]

If it's so boring, don't read it and don't reply. But, I *AM* going to write it - despite what you, a few others, and Andrew want.

What "they" want is to have people on this board who only think one way.

Er, no. How boring would that be. But, the board without one or two complete tools might be more enjoyable.

Gee Andrew, who could you possibly be referring to? I would think the moderator/owner of a board wouldn't stoop to the level of calling people penuses (tools), but hey, if that's what floats your boat, go for it. Since you responded to my post, which was responding to Monker's post, then it's absurd to think that you were referring to someone else. These personal attacks of yours are always good for a laugh. Last time you grouped me with Monker, you apologized in a PM, stating that you were just tired of that particular thread and didn't mean me in particular. So, every time I agree with Monker, that's how it's going to be - blast me on the board, apologize in private?

Show me my other posts, Andrew and where I have been a "tool," all right? I actually think I've added something of value to this board in the way of posts.

I think you should take your cues from donnaplease, Andrew. She did a whole lot better job responding to my "concern" than you did and she's not the moderator/owner.

[fredinator]

Maybe Andrew meant "fools," not "tools"... Andrew?

[fred_journeyman]

Fred, I've gotta sincerely disagree with you here. There is lots of dialogue and many contradicting views here. I think the problem is that there are certain people who argue just for the sake of arguing. They don't accept things the way they are, nor do they want to see change. I'm certainly no authority on anything Journey, SP, SA, JSS, or anything else talked about here, but I do want to know what's going on with this band (past, present and future) and that's why I'm here. It would seem to me that those who do not have an interest in the current Journey for whatever reason should not hang out here.

You could be right, donnaplease. I tend to "think out loud" by stating opinions and asking question. My opinions have been known to be wrong at times, and I have no problem admitting that and I have done so in the past. For me, when I discuss something here, it's not because I'm trying to intellectualize anything, or start arguments. It's more along the lines of simply trying to reason things through. I tend to think - unfortunately for me - that this board has people who represent opinions and when those opinions are shared, it seems to be fine. When other opinions are shared, it's an immediate problem. I can't help seeing things that way and it's unfortunate, but that's the way I see it.

I like to know what's going on with the band as well. Most importantly for me is what the band has planned down the road with JSS. In that way, as I mentioned the other day, I'm a "hanger on" because I will wait and see what takes place. Will there be new music? Will I like it? Will it be played in concert? The other stuff that I discuss is peripheral to these issues.

As far as people not hanging out here if they don't have an interest in the band, I would agree if they had no interest in ANYTHING Journey, including Perry, Rolie, Smith and every other musician who has been or is associated with Journey. Trouble is that this is not the case for anyone who's here. Posting here should not simply be relegated to current Journey topics, unless of course Andrew wants to make that change.

I do agree with you about the fence, though. It's the same way in politics, religion, sports, etc. We tend to migrate to whatever side of the fence we most relate to. I happen to be a loon who is ever hopeful of a future reunion, but in the meantime I'm digging this lineup. Do I giggle at some of the obnoxious stuff here sometimes? Absolutely. Would I like being on the 'other' side of that fence? No. But if I found myself there, and really didn't have a true interest in this band at this time, I'd probably find a better way to spend my time. I should probably do that anyway...

I'm not sure where I fit in (you say you're a "loon"). I like Perry's voice...a lot. I like JSS's voice quite a bit. I have liked Journey for years and feel like most that the last few years hasn't amounted to much. With JSS fronting the band, there certainly exists the possibility that good things will happen, and I'm waiting to see if those good things materialize. In the meantime, I'm here waiting like everyone else.

Thanks for taking the time to respond as you did.

[Andrew]

Show me my other posts, Andrew and where I have been a "tool," all right? I actually think I've added something of value to this board in the way of posts.

You are getting all paranoid on me Fred! I made no reference to you being a tool. Every board has a few though...just thinking out loud I guess.