If Perry is Right Then Neal Is A Dick ...

[Red13JoePa]

This is a fun thread but I got one question...
Why do so many of you even respond to Yogi's
shit? you're telling me you actually BELIEVE
all tthose supposed "interview excerts"???

I know, those stupid things have actually caused some words to be exchanged among other posters.

[yogi]

If he would of kept the name Drill Bit he would still be selling CD's today.

Ten people are trying real hard to hear that Turkey gobbeling at the end of Captured By The moment right now!!!


Yall take this shi t so serious it cracks me up. Who is the real loon????

My god, you have got one bi polor poster here that thinks when someone some day writes the story of Journey he will be a major player.

Its all in gooooooooooddddddddd fun. But the bottom line is ..............


It is ONLY entertainment!

[Matthew]

However, the accuracy of any article can be open for debate. In BTM, Cyndi and Laura, heads of Perry's fan club, both basically said that they received many questions as to the status of the band in the years following ROR. They had no answer other than that Journey was "somewhere between broken up and working on a new album".

Cain did say in 1989 that the band had disbanded in all but name - and added that the band were still under contract for one last album for CBS. So in legal terms it was right for the fan club to say that...

Jon Cain then again contradicts this article in BTM when he says he had not heard from Perry in years until the call for TBF, basically he had not heard from Perry since Neal, Jon and Steve met to discuss continuing the ROR tour and Perry stated he was "toast".

You must have missed my post on the previous page - and indeed the interview itself - because I said I was mistaken about Cain contacting Perry in 1989. The interview was recorded in 1989 but Cain talks about how Perry ws entirely clear about leaving Journey when they last met in 1987.

As I think even the band would admit, there is plenty of blame to go around with all the members in the band for certain issues that led to the demise of Joureny in the 80s.

And again Cain makes this same point in the 'questionable' interview.

I agree that calling Neal a 'dick' is unfair - at least re: his decision to pursue projects outside of Journey. But equally it's ridiculous to say that Perry held the band 'hostage' from ROR onwards.

Yes, there was an eighteen month period after TBF when this accusation might carry some weight - but the revisionist argument made so often claims that this period actually lasted for eleven and a half years...which just isn't true.

[SF-Dano]

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Cain did say in 1989 that the band had disbanded in all but name - and added that the band were still under contract for one last album for CBS. So in legal terms it was right for the fan club to say that...

Jon Cain then again contradicts this article in BTM when he says he had not heard from Perry in years until the call for TBF, basically he had not heard from Perry since Neal, Jon and Steve met to discuss continuing the ROR tour and Perry stated he was "toast".

You must have missed my post on the previous page - and indeed the interview itself - because I said I was mistaken about Cain contacting Perry in 1989. The interview was recorded in 1989 but Cain talks about how Perry ws entirely clear about leaving Journey when they last met in 1987.

Matthew, you can choose to hold this Cain interview as your gospel on this Journey issue. However, it does not change the fact that in the Behind The Music of Journey, no where does Jon Cain, or anyone else for that matter say that Steve Perry made it quite clear that he was leaving Journey in 1987. You continue to ignore that Cain contradicts himself from interview to interview, as do the others in the band. In 17 years since the interview was released (1989 per your statement), I have never before seen this interview, nor have I heard anyone (band, management, fan, etc.) discuss this interview until today in this thread. Even Herbie, who seems to have an axe to grind with all the members of the band, never mentioned in his interview about Perry officially leaving the band or making any statement like the one attributed to Cain in the above article. Again not denying this article exists. You are entitled to believe what you want to believe and I can believe what I want to. Our back and forth here is obviously not going to change either of our opinions.

That is why it is well past time to put these arguements and issues behind us as fans of Journey. Or is it perhaps that some here are not truely fans of the current Journey even though they claim to be? It has been a decade since Steve Perry was in this band. Remember and discuss his great vocal contributions by all means, but don't be little or insult the other members in the process.

[Matthew]

Matthew, you can choose to hold this Cain interview as your gospel on this Journey issue.

SF - you're right - the various interviews and quotes can contain contradictions and we ought to be skeptcal about anything the band says in public. But I hope you're be equally cynical about the quotes which describe how Perry took the band 'hostage' for over a decade - and all the other stories which portray Schon and Cain as victims.

Let's just agree that there is no 'clear-cut hero and villain in the Journey story.

That is why it is well past time to put these arguements and issues behind us as fans of Journey.

Sure - we musn't take it all too seriously and get resentful towrd each other - but I actually like talking about the classic era of Journey and a few agendas here and there usually spices up the conversation, don't you think?

Or is it perhaps that some here are not truely fans of the current Journey even though they claim to be? It has been a decade since Steve Perry was in this band.

I'm not a fan of post-Perry Journey at all and - in my heart - I still believe they should have called it a day in 1998. Yes - since JSS has arrived on the scene I'm curious about the new possibilities but I'm a long way from being convinced or won over. Maybe that'll change when I see them in March....

Remember and discuss his great vocal contributions by all means, but don't be little or insult the other members in the process.

Come off it SF...we've had plenty of debates recently and I've always tried to make it clear that I'm primarily a fan of the combination of Perry, Schon and Cain. Also that - like it or not - these three members are irreplaceable...especially Perry and Schon. I'd have a hard time supporting modern Journey if Schon was no longer in the band too.

[Deb]

This is a fun thread but I got one question...
Why do so many of you even respond to Yogi's
shit? you're telling me you actually BELIEVE
all tthose supposed "interview excerts"???

Had a momentary lapse of reason.