Kevin Chalfant Journey tribute cd. What a voice!!

[Perrylover]

Thanks Cat, I have nothing to hide. I didn't think Red13JoePa was talking to me, but I am glad he clarified it. You are right, I have been friends with Frontiers since 2003 and I was travelling with them and selling merchandise at shows for them. Until gas got so expensive and I had to quit travelling. I still keep in touch with them and hubby and I visit Roanoke whenever possible. As for being on the inside, I'm not quite sure what anybody thinks I am on the inside of??? I am friends with a few guys that perform in a tribut band, end of story.

I also don't agree with tossing anybody under the bus, there are ways to handle things that are good and decent, and then there seems to be the way things tend to get done in the "business" end of music. Not usually in alignment with each other unfortunately.

Deb

[ohsherrie]

Neither was I talking about Deb, Cat.


No I didn't see Deb E-teabagging JSS online every day and now just ever-so-ready to toss him right under the bus because she knows JH (still a hell of a singer and guy in my book) and is on the inside.

WTF are you talking about? I adore Jeff and I'm on record saying that if they do Jeff wrong I'm through with Journey.

I think the world of Jeremey and want only the best for him. If Jeff should choose not to stay with Journey, or if they have creative differences that can't be resolved, I think Jeremey would be a good choice. But I'll be damned if I'll have any part of throwing Jeff under the fuckin' bus.

[ohsherrie]

Probably because it makes no sense for you to praise a true impersonator of Perry (no offense to Jeremey for doing an effective job that he intends to do, at least he doesn't have to look going too like Hugo) for his perfomance and for putting his own "feeling" into the songs when his intent is to recreate Perry's performance as closely as possible while condemning other singers who just happen to be born with a tone similar to Perry who don't try to replicate every nuance of Perry's performance. It seems like kissing up to Jeremey just as did praising JSS for throwing in Perryisms while condemning SA for only having a similar tone but daring to sing songs Perry recorded, even though he didn't use the Perryisms. I don't have a problem with JSS doing that myself or with Jeremey doing his tribute thing, but it seems to go against what many of you hard core Perry fans seemed to stand for prior to last summer.

I didn't condemn Augeri for having a similar tone to Perry. I certainly never said he sounded like Perry.

I didn't like the way he sounded on the catalog. I didn't like the look of him on stage. I didn't like the way his fans were so willing to throw the man who helped create the songs and vocal sound that gave Journey a legacy and Augeri a catalog to sing under the bus.

I did call Augeri an imitation, but not because I thought he was truly imitating Perry. Neal and Jon really thought they could plug in a similar voice and go on as if Perry didn't even matter. As if Perry could be replaced by an imitation just like butter was replaced by margerine. That's why I called him an imitation and if Monker remembers, he and I had the very argument in which I said that on VH1.

[Red13JoePa]

I'll be damned.
I just figured it out.

But it's only because trying to has enabled me to become as crazy as a head for a little while.

You'll continue to root for the singers PROVIDED their last names are not Augeri (who had the misfortune of replacing perry and sounding like him even though were perry still part of the band you heads would still be holding vigils with carnuba wax candles awaiting the announcement of the first leg of TBF tour dates) or Chalfont (who actually DID replace perry once even before Augeri and also sounded like perry) AND you've had some interaction with them.

That way you still have carte blanche to despise Schon and Cain until the end of the world for going on sans perry to begin with.

[ohsherrie]

So really, at the end of the day, the people who came up with the theory that you wacko loons hate Augeri JUST because he had the misfortune of being the first after perry are correct.


Because this "Jeremy sounds like perry without trying but augeri and chalfont sound like perry because they must be TRYING TO sound like perry" BULLSHIT is not washing.

Dammit Joe, quit this "a loon is a loon is a loon" bullshit. I'm responsible and stand behind or apologize for what I personally say or have said. Not what some imaginary unimind entity that you guys have created and called the loons say or has said.

[Blueskies]

Wha??? Hey Red, can you repeat that again 3 times fast?

[ohsherrie]

Wha??? Hey Red, can you repeat that again 3 times fast?

He can't Phyllis, he's chasing his tail right now.

[Blueskies]

Wha??? Hey Red, can you repeat that again 3 times fast?

He can't Phyllis, he's chasing his tail right now.

[Red13JoePa]

You 2 nitwits deserve oneanother.

Hey, Damian do you also subscribe to the theory that Jeremy sounding like perry is totally legitimate and acceptable while Agueri, Chalfont, Hugo doing the same thing is bogus, contrived, and unacceptable?

[ohsherrie]

You 2 nitwits deserve oneanother.

Hey, Regan do you also subscribe to the theory that Jeremy sounding like perry is totally legitimate and acceptable while Agueri, Chalfont, Hugo doing the same thing is bogus, contrived, and unacceptable?

Do you ever actually read the posts you seem to be replying to, or do you just pick out trigger words that you can use to start some shit?

[Red13JoePa]

I didn't make anything up, you have represented all the stances I have said you represent.

I'm going to go back to swearing off talking to you for a while as I did after you disgustingly excused a post calling the "Osama" chant of half the country of Mexico at the US soccer team as funny.

[NoMoreTails]

I didn't condemn Augeri for having a similar tone to Perry. I certainly never said he sounded like Perry.

I did call Augeri an imitation, but not because I thought he was truly imitating Perry. Neal and Jon really thought they could plug in a similar voice and go on as if Perry didn't even matter. As if Perry could be replaced by an imitation just like butter was replaced by margerine. That's why I called him an imitation and if Monker remembers, he and I had the very argument in which I said that on VH1.

I appologize for the portions where I may have attributed the comments of other MR long timer Perryheads to you.
Hypothetically, knowing how highly you regard Jeremey's work with Frontiers, would you have felt the same had he been chosen to replace Perry? Your comment about Neal and Jon replacing Perry with an imitation would certainly apply no less, in fact it would more. I suppose you would appreciate what Jeremy does as a tribute to Perry and Journey but would expect you to be as adamantly opposed to him taking Perry's spot in the band as you were Augeri, whereas JSS brings his own thing to Journey for the most part with a few Perryisms thrown in.

[Deb]

Or Red, it could be just something as simple as Augeri just not cutting it vocally or frontman wise for some of us gals. I gave it a listen and a watch (a few times). It had nothing to do with replacing Perry, because really JSS did too. So why have I accepted JSS.........some people have that "it" factor and some don't.

The only way I can explain it is that JSS has enough Perryisms to still keep the catalogue sounding like Journey but vocally different enough to not be cloning Perry. Kind of that Roth/Hagar VH thing. If that makes sense? And stage precense and confidence.....I'm sorry but JSS is in a whole other league than Augeri, IMO. I honestly have nothing against Augeri and like a few of the post Perry songs............but just didn't WOW me.

It's ok for you to think Augeri's underrated and Perry's overrated. For me it's the opposite. Just can't quite figure out why Sher's acceptance of JSS and not Augeri has you so frazzled.

[Blueskies]

Red, if you were to address me properly I might take a moment out of my life to spend on you, but you have to resort to namecalling and cannot keep the discussion at an adult level, with a level head, so I wont take the time.

[Red13JoePa]

Or Red, it could be just something as simple as Augeri just not cutting it vocally or frontman wise for some of us gals. I gave it a listen and a watch (a few times). It had nothing to do with replacing Perry, because really JSS did too. So why have I accepted JSS.........some people have that "it" factor and some don't.

The only way I can explain it is that JSS has enough Perryisms to still keep the catalogue sounding like Journey but vocally different enough to not be cloning Perry. Kind of that Roth/Hagar VH thing. If that makes sense?

No, makes NO sense at all except to prove that factor # 1 was that he was the first after perry.

The "'it' factor?"

I still don't get how Augeri can be both a clone while at the same time "just not cutting it vocally."


PS: Beat it, CarolAnn

[Deb]

I still don't get how Augeri can be both a clone while at the same time "just not cutting it vocally."


PS: Beat it, CarolAnn

Probably for the same reason Hugo, etc. don't cut it for me either. If you're not Perry why not bring something different to the vocals. Probably for the same reasons I wasn't much into Survivor back in the day. In my opinion they should have grabbed JSS right after Perry and gone a different direction. But hey, these are just my opinions Red, you don't have to agree.

And who the heck is CarolAnn?

[Red13JoePa]

And who the heck is CarolAnn?

AKA TVL.


I will also forever be amazed by the "He's too much like perry but NOTHING like perry" argument for augeri's crucifixion that began in 1998.

[Blueskies]

And who the heck is CarolAnn?

AKA TVL.


I will also forever be amazed by the "He's too much like perry but NOTHING like perry" argument for augeri's crucifixion that began in 1998.

yeah, Red has much love and adoration for me, ain't it sweet?

[Red13JoePa]

Give us a kiss, Phyllis.

[Blueskies]

Give us a kiss, Phyllis.

yikes! Where's an exorcist when ya need one?

[ohsherrie]

I didn't condemn Augeri for having a similar tone to Perry. I certainly never said he sounded like Perry.

I did call Augeri an imitation, but not because I thought he was truly imitating Perry. Neal and Jon really thought they could plug in a similar voice and go on as if Perry didn't even matter. As if Perry could be replaced by an imitation just like butter was replaced by margerine. That's why I called him an imitation and if Monker remembers, he and I had the very argument in which I said that on VH1.

I appologize for the portions where I may have attributed the comments of other MR long timer Perryheads to you.
Hypothetically, knowing how highly you regard Jeremey's work with Frontiers, would you have felt the same had he been chosen to replace Perry? Your comment about Neal and Jon replacing Perry with an imitation would certainly apply no less, in fact it would more. I suppose you would appreciate what Jeremy does as a tribute to Perry and Journey but would expect you to be as adamantly opposed to him taking Perry's spot in the band as you were Augeri, whereas JSS brings his own thing to Journey for the most part with a few Perryisms thrown in.

There's no way I can know what might have been if it had been. I only know what is because it is. I didn't know Jeremey back in '98. I think I would have liked him in there better than Augeri though.

Guys just don't seem to get that it's more than just vocal range and key thing. I have no way of explaining it either so trying would only be extending the argument.

[ohsherrie]

I didn't make anything up, you have represented all the stances I have said you represent.

I'm going to go back to swearing off talking to you for a while as I did after you disgustingly excused a post calling the "Osama" chant of half the country of Mexico at the US soccer team as funny.

No I haven't Red. I may have defended the person's right to their stance, but I certainly haven't personally taken all of those stances.

I also didn't say the chant was funny. I said I could understand why it happened.

Like I said before, do you ever READ what I type or do you just assume you know what I'm saying because I've been labeled a loon?

[NoMoreTails]

I didn't condemn Augeri for having a similar tone to Perry. I certainly never said he sounded like Perry.

I did call Augeri an imitation, but not because I thought he was truly imitating Perry. Neal and Jon really thought they could plug in a similar voice and go on as if Perry didn't even matter. As if Perry could be replaced by an imitation just like butter was replaced by margerine. That's why I called him an imitation and if Monker remembers, he and I had the very argument in which I said that on VH1.

I appologize for the portions where I may have attributed the comments of other MR long timer Perryheads to you.
Hypothetically, knowing how highly you regard Jeremey's work with Frontiers, would you have felt the same had he been chosen to replace Perry? Your comment about Neal and Jon replacing Perry with an imitation would certainly apply no less, in fact it would more. I suppose you would appreciate what Jeremy does as a tribute to Perry and Journey but would expect you to be as adamantly opposed to him taking Perry's spot in the band as you were Augeri, whereas JSS brings his own thing to Journey for the most part with a few Perryisms thrown in.

There's no way I can know what might have been if it had been. I only know what is because it is. I didn't know Jeremey back in '98. I think I would have liked him in there better than Augeri though.

Guys just don't seem to get that it's more than just vocal range and key thing. I have no way of explaining it either so trying would only be extending the argument.

What a cop out, you loons (I mean that in the nicest way) would have burned Jeremey at the stake, being against any sort of imitation, as no one compares to Perry..., you all would certainly been hardcore against the band continuing with someone who in past has impersonated Perry right down to the tails and Perry wig.

[Red13JoePa]

What a cop out, you loons (I mean that in the nicest way) would have burned Jeremey at the stake, being against any sort of imitation, as no one compares to Perry..., you all would certainly been hardcore against the band continuing with someone

You better BELIEVE it.

At that time, they were SO angry that Journey had "only" waited 2 years (pfff ) for perry to tour behind TBF they would've tarred and feathered ANYbody, Augeri, Jeremy, Chalfont, even JSS in the high noon sun because he would've been the first after the other guy.

PS: OSherrie, I didn't say you said you thought the chant was funny, I said you excused it, and worse than anything you excused it because the poster is a loon.

[Monker]

Hypothetically, knowing how highly you regard Jeremey's work with Frontiers, would you have felt the same had he been chosen to replace Perry? Your comment about Neal and Jon replacing Perry with an imitation would certainly apply no less, in fact it would more.

EXACTLY my point. It would be a legitimate critique since he was in a tribute band imatating Perry, and it would turn Journey into a joke.

Not that any of this matters now. Maybe it would now the joke into slapstick comedy.

[Monker]

Or Red, it could be just something as simple as Augeri just not cutting it vocally or frontman wise for some of us gals. I gave it a listen and a watch (a few times). It had nothing to do with replacing Perry, because really JSS did too. So why have I accepted JSS.........some people have that "it" factor and some don't.

And, the 'it' factor is different from person to person.

y way I can explain it is that JSS has enough Perryisms to still keep the catalogue sounding like Journey but vocally different enough to not be cloning Perry. Kind of that Roth/Hagar VH thing.

What the hell are you talking about? Sammy and Dave have NOTHING in common vocaly. That is strangest comparison I have read in a long time. Hagar has "Roth'isms" LOL...too funny.

[Monker]

I still don't get how Augeri can be both a clone while at the same time "just not cutting it vocally."


PS: Beat it, CarolAnn

Probably for the same reason Hugo, etc. don't cut it for me either. If you're not Perry why not bring something different to the vocals. Probably for the same reasons I wasn't much into Survivor back in the day. In my opinion they should have grabbed JSS right after Perry and gone a different direction. But hey, these are just my opinions Red, you don't have to agree.

And who the heck is CarolAnn?

Journey NEVER went in a 'different direction' with JSS. It was the same OLD Perry songs sung over and over again...and "Winds of Freedom" went over as well as a stale fart - even in this forum. It was the same old sound. Journey can't completely escape their own history - no matter who is singing.

[Andrew]

Unless Andrew decides to kick me off again, I have the ability to reply to anyone I want to.

I thought we delt with this Monker. Do you have unresolved issues? Cause I sure as shit don't want to hear about the time I kicked you off for 12 hours, every second post. That'd be as bad as the 'how I should run the forum' posts.

Tell me you can get past this please!

Please don't bring that conversation public.

My point is that other posters have no control over how I post, or what I reply to. That has nothing to do with what we talked about. As for my post to Rick, he had the mistaken impression that I have been kicked off for a while. I was just correcting his error.

Very good then....coming up to see Kev live in October?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Journey NEVER went in a 'different direction' with JSS. It was the same OLD Perry songs sung over and over

The Soto-era never had a chance to.
That was contingent upon having a new album and having new songs to play live.
And the Perry-songs comprise the bulk of Journey's catalog.
Of course, they are going to be played live and always will.

again...and "Winds of Freedom" went over as well as a stale fart - even in this forum. It was the same old sound.

"Winds of Freedom" was mainly a Schon/Cain composition and was written ad-hoc strictly for the occassion.


Andrew, this funereal day should not be compounded even more by this pesk's fallacious bile.
Ban him.

[Red13JoePa]

Andrew, this funereal day should not be compounded even more by this pesk's fallacious bile.
Ban him.

LOL asked and answered.

Monker did get bounced, and he's back on appeal.

I have no beef w/ him being here, either for the record.