Jonathan Cain Needs To Get a Freakin' Clue!!!!!

[NoMoreTails]

Seriously though, I'd like to know the answer to that myself, was management really behind this lineup as much as the band was?

JMJ, you know what? That's a valid question. And I've never been one to bash Irv, and I know sometimes a big industry name like Irv gets to tell artists what they will and won't do (shit that was happening as far back as DoubleH) but if this is the case then I ask:


At what point does a band say, "Er, thanks for that input but shut yer yap and do your job. You fucking work for US not vice versa."

Yes, whatever the answer to whether mgt was behind JSS or not, bottom line it's the band's decision. If they've given Irving enough power to dictate decisions like this or anything of equal importance, then they're Irv's ho's instead of Perry's now (to borrow a line from Herbie).

[Matthew]

I have stated this before. In my opinion Jon is the main reason for the departure of JSS.

Jon Cain is not a rocker. He is a great balladeer (sp?), but not a hard rocker. Neal has always wanted to rock a bit harder. Jeff is a hard rocker at heart. Jon's writing place in the band may well have been jeopardized in his view.

But what about that quote attributed to Schon recently? When he said to JSS that he was behaving 'arrogantly' and that 'this isn't Van Halen' ?

And let's not forget that Cain was the co-writer on Journey's heaviest tunes, as well as the ballads.

Now lets see where this all leaves Neal. Neal tried Soul Sirkus with Jeff. Hard rocking tunes, that I personally liked very much. But the general public did not respond, whether that be because of lack of promotion or the material itself. So Neal brings in JSS to Journey and hopes for a change to a harder rocking sound with Journey. Jon does not agree with the new harder direction Schon and Soto see.

Perhaps because it was such a commercial failure? If Soul Sirkus had been a roaring success then maybe Cain would have felt more confident about pursuing that direction?

Yes it is about money people. And I truely believe it is about musical differences between JSS and Friga too. I think the trust and loyalty Neal has placed in Friga is a huge error.

Well, the Schon and Cain relationship has been a lucrative one for over a quarter of a century. Why would Schon want to throw that away for a singer who hasn't enjoyed commercial success before? I mean...the Schon/JSS collaboration actually cost Schon $300,000 didn't it?

And the whole thing about Neal's ego being bruised by a popular vocalist. Please . He has shared the stage with Sammy Hagar, Paul Rogers, Steve Perry, and many others.

I totally agree, SF. And this is true of Cain to a lesser extent as well.

How many of us self righteous people here would turn down millions in a year for a couple hundred grand. It is easy to say you would here, but not so easy to do in real life.

Absolutely - but I'm sure many of us would have found the courage to face JSS in person and explain the decision. I hope we would anyway...