Bush Administration lied repeatedly to justify war...what a

[Rockindeano]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Screw you. If you're talking about those Westboro Baptist nuts from Topeka, Kansas, the same scumbags who picket the funerals of dead American soldiers, then they no more represent true Christians than terrorists do the average muslim. They are, as the Bible describes, wolves in sheep's clothing.

Oh, here's a tidbit for you...The leader of that church, Fred Phelps, has long been a registered Democrat and won several civil rights cases for blacks back in the early days of the civil rights movement. I'm not sure what happened to him since then but he went off the deep end at some point.

Screw me? Did I mention you Dave?

Hey, it was Fox News and most notably Jon Gibson, who says this is deserved, not I.

You threw the term "Christians" in there as if these wackos from the Westboro Baptist church are equated with Christians in general, of which I am one.

Not intended. I am actually one too.

[7 Wishes]

RWF, if YOU are the open minded one between the two of us, I am the King of Paraguay.

Now, I want you to know this...no matter how ultra-conservative any of you are...regardless of how much I disagree with your postulations...I do want you to know that if King George or George Stepanapoulis was attacking any of you, I would back you up in a heartbeat...after all, we're all Journey fans here...

That being said...the most conservative among you have yet to say one disparaging thing about W or his policies. You keep telling us you're "independent-minded" but you're (IMO) nothing but GOP lackeys.

All I want to know is...there is NO DISPUTING that W and the Administration knew they were lying about Iraq / 9-11. Care to elaborate on that point ONLY without throwing all this other B.S. in?

[conversationpc]

You threw the term "Christians" in there as if these wackos from the Westboro Baptist church are equated with Christians in general, of which I am one.

Not intended. I am actually one too.

Fair enough...My apologies.

[ohsherrie]

You threw the term "Christians" in there as if these wackos from the Westboro Baptist church are equated with Christians in general, of which I am one.

Well, isn't that sort of like saying all non-evangelicals are going to burn in the evangelical hell?

[conversationpc]

That being said...the most conservative among you have yet to say one disparaging thing about W or his policies. You keep telling us you're "independent-minded" but you're (IMO) nothing but GOP lackeys.

How long have you been here and have you not been reading this forum very much? I, for one, have mentioned at least a handful of times my disdain for Bush's lack of action on border security, screw-ups in the war on terror, and his propensity for big government and overspending, among others.

[conversationpc]

You threw the term "Christians" in there as if these wackos from the Westboro Baptist church are equated with Christians in general, of which I am one.

Well, isn't that sort of like saying all non-evangelicals are going to burn in the evangelical hell?

Forgive me if I don't know what the flying crap you are talking about.

[ohsherrie]

You threw the term "Christians" in there as if these wackos from the Westboro Baptist church are equated with Christians in general, of which I am one.

Well, isn't that sort of like saying all non-evangelicals are going to burn in the evangelical hell?

Forgive me if I don't know what the flying crap you are talking about.

OK, I forgive you.

[RedWingFan]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Jon Gibson of Faux, applauds the fact that Christians hate everything Brokeback Mountain, and that Ledgers death was because God was pissed that he played a ____ in the movie.

Again, I wish I was a conservative You should be so embarrassed of yourselves. I am embarrassed for you.

Well, I read your post looking for a direct quote. But couldn't find one. Forgive me if I hold off on commenting 'til I get an unbiased source.

[7 Wishes]

Well, I read your post looking for a direct quote. But couldn't find one. Forgive me if I hold off on commenting 'til I get an unbiased source.

Someone who idolizes Limbaugh, Hannity, and Katz...is holding out judgment because he wants to get an "unbiased source"?

Give it a rest, already.

[SteveForever]

Poor 7 wishes came in here with both guns blazing with his posse and they've all turned tail leaving him to take all the arrows! Funny!

I haven't deserted you Daniel. I just gave up on agruing against ignorance. There's no point to it. If they were capable of understanding where they're wrong, they wouldn't be supporting Bush.

I guess we should all agree that hurling insults doesn't elevate one's importance on a subject.

[ohsherrie]

Poor 7 wishes came in here with both guns blazing with his posse and they've all turned tail leaving him to take all the arrows! Funny!

I haven't deserted you Daniel. I just gave up on agruing against ignorance. There's no point to it. If they were capable of understanding where they're wrong, they wouldn't be supporting Bush.

I guess we should all agree that hurling insults doesn't elevate one's importance on a subject.

I'm not trying to elevate anyone's importance Liz. I'm just saying what I really believe. I honestly can't see how any intelligent and informed person in this country can still support what the Bush administration has done to this country. If that offends anyone I'm sorry, but I'm just saying what I really feel.

[Red13JoePa]

You're talking about WELL over half the people who bothered to show up to vote the last 2 elections, OS, and calling their intelligence level on the carpet.

I disagree with you on most things but I know you're a well-read, smart individual.

[7 Wishes]

Actually, Red...and I love ya, babe...but his approval rating is about 29% right now.

Actually, the Dems won more of the popular vote (i.e. the people who voted) combined the past two elections.

It's the damned erection college...I mean, the electoral college...

[Rockindeano]

What Sherrie says I echo. How can you dumbfucks continue to find ways to support a moron? A corrupt moron to boot?

Did God tell you too?

[7 Wishes]

The study was biased, Dean. Face the facts. Bush was telling the truth. No-one in the DisAdministration ever lied. Only the Democrats lied.

[Rockindeano]

Thank God for MSNBC and Olberman and Dan Abrams. Olberman is biased, but he speaks and cites the truth. Fox is biased, but they just make shit up. Abrams is a great great mouthpiece.

[SteveForever]

I love the Bush hating...but yet noone offers that perfect 20/20 solution to the fact that people want to hurt us just because of the way we live. What would have everyone else have done 8 months after the inauguration post 9/11. Oh yeah our elected officials agree with the President, not in a close vote but an overwhelming one. How about the invasion of Iraq...ok maybe it was a bad idea but what were better options and what of the the last 12+ years of failed sanctions and diplomacy. What would have happened if we'd taken that weak knee'd approach that Clinton took...maybe if we don't look it will all just go away and they will leave us alone. Yep and once again in 2003 Congress, our elected officials on both sides of the fence voted to support Bush. Even with Nancy in charge the Democrat led congress doesn't have the stones to vote no on the war effort. Bush can veto bills and can stall and foot stomp all he wants but with a majority led Democrat Congress and Senate they still can't come up with a better plan! Come on...quit being lame and using Bush as a pin cushion for your own party's incompetence. If they really wanted to do something about it they would! Now you want your cake and eat it too, you have Congress and can't get it done, then the Senate and can't get it done and so you need the Presidency as well...I'll be you still couldn't get it done with Hillary either.

[Rockindeano]

How in the fuck are you allowed to vote Liz?

Instead of us calling out the ineptness of a fake President, why not take responsibility, and say, "Bush fucked up. 9/11 happened on his watch, NOT Clinton's.

But you go ahead and vote for the GOP Liz, because your family has military roots. Keep voting for putting our once great but no more country in the fucking toilet. I for one am embarrassed to say I live here. How the fuck you people sleep at night?

[Rockindeano]

Come on...quit being lame and using Bush as a pin cushion for your own party's incompetence. If they really wanted to do something about it they would! Now you want your cake and eat it too, you have Congress and can't get it done, then the Senate and can't get it done and so you need the Presidency as well...I'll be you still couldn't get it done with Hillary either.

Haha, ok, time to make you feel stupid.

"We have the Congress?" Yeah, by only one seat, not enough to overthrow veto's, but this year, the Senate Dems are expected to pick up 23 seats in the US Senate; and guess what, then stuff can get done.

Um, Hillary will get it done. You can sit back on your Texas sofa and watch, for many years! Enjoy the show.

FYI, the Congress consists of the House of Representatives and the Senate. It's not the Congress and the Senate.

On November 8th, Liz, you can watch your TV go from red to Blue. it will be the best day this country has seen in 8 years. Really, tune in.

[rsimpson]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Screw you. If you're talking about those Westboro Baptist nuts from Topeka, Kansas, the same scumbags who picket the funerals of dead American soldiers, then they no more represent true Christians than terrorists do the average muslim. They are, as the Bible describes, wolves in sheep's clothing.

Oh, here's a tidbit for you...The leader of that church, Fred Phelps, has long been a registered Democrat and won several civil rights cases for blacks back in the early days of the civil rights movement. I'm not sure what happened to him since then but he went off the deep end at some point.

Those people are just sad. I was in Topeka last weekend to see the band Kansas and they were outside picketing. Why must they bring their children into this?

[7 Wishes]

I love the Bush hating...but yet noone offers that perfect 20/20 solution to the fact that people want to hurt us just because of the way we live.

It's our foreign policy (inherently pro-Israeli) that is the root cause of the Muslim world's hatred of the United States.

What would have everyone else have done 8 months after the inauguration post 9/11.

Not invaded Iraq, for one thing, since that country had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and there were exactly 115 other dictators in the world at the time.

Oh yeah our elected officials agree with the President, not in a close vote but an overwhelming one.

Because they were LIED to about intelligence that was cooked and completely false...the Administration knew it was all lies but W went ahead and gave his Yellow Cake State of the Union Address anyway. 91% of the country (me included) bought the lie...however, 61% of Americans now say they WOULD NOT HAVE supported Bush and the war if they (like the Democrats who voted for the war) had known the truth instead of Bush's lies.

How about the invasion of Iraq...ok maybe it was a bad idea

Ummm...do you think?

but what were better options

I dunno...maybe the sanctions that Clinton imposed that made Hussein entirely give up his program before Bush took office!

what of the the last 12+ years of failed sanctions and diplomacy.

But here's the thing...it did NOT fail...it worked!

What would have happened if we'd taken that weak knee'd approach that Clinton took

Right. Clinton went after the terrorists, tried to get Bin Laden twice (is it his fault the military didn't get there in time), TRIPLED spending for anti-terrorism in spite of the fierce opposition of the Republican Congress...told Bush that terrorism and Bin Laden would be his #1 foreign policy concern...right, weak-kneed...wrong again!!!

...maybe if we don't look it will all just go away and they will leave us alone.

If we minded our own damn business, tried to be diplomatic in Palestine, and stop invading other countries pre-emptively with no provocation...yes, that has worked in the past!!!!

Yep and once again in 2003 Congress, our elected officials on both sides of the fence voted to support Bush.

Man, there you go again...because they were LIED TO!!!!

Even with Nancy in charge the Democrat led congress doesn't have the stones to vote no on the war effort.

That would be due to Constitutional law. 60 votes would be required and the Cons continue to support something they openly oppose in private, in order to tow the party line. Nothing can be done about that...unless you're Bush and you circumvent or ignore the law altogether!!!

Bush can veto bills and can stall and foot stomp all he wants but with a majority led Democrat Congress and Senate they still can't come up with a better plan!

They have a DOZEN better plans...but it can't pass without 60 votes, and that would mean at least 5 or more blithering idiot Republicans would have to vote their conscience or the will of their constituents, as opposed to blindly towing the company line.

Come on...quit being lame and using Bush as a pin cushion for your own party's incompetence.

No incompetence there...you're forgetting how the law works! YOUR party has turned the first budget surplus in history into a global recession that could very well lead to a worldwide Great Depression.

If they really wanted to do something about it they would!

60 votes, son. That's what's needed. Study the Constitution before you rail about topics that are way over your head.

Now you want your cake and eat it too, you have Congress and can't get it done, then the Senate and can't get it done and so you need the Presidency as well...I'll be you still couldn't get it done with Hillary either.

Just watch and see what happens with a Democratic majority in the House and Senate with a Democratic President...they will right this country that Bush has tried to destroy.

[Red13JoePa]

He won the last 2 elections, the last one in a MAJOR landslide (at least compared to the media predictions of the exact opposite beforehand).

This is what it is.
Current approval ratings be damned he's a 2-timer now and the country, if it doesn't like it, has a chance to vote ANOTHER individual in this year. Every Prez has 4 years, and then another ATTEMPT @ another 4 years.

You people who don't like it, vote Democrat this time around, like you said you would LAST time (when "another 2000 will NEVER happen again.") and maybe it'll turn out different.

[SteveForever]

The greatness of this Nation is that you have a choice...see ya!! And on who's watch did the foundation of our apathy and repeated failed action occur? What about your apathy and Ostrich approach to wanton aggression against our land - where we live! Still haven't offered a better solution, the most powerful and all knowing Democrats agrees with Bush on the threat posed by Iraq. Got it, bad gouge and poor intelligence and a system that was more prone to proffer a party line supported doctrine. There was a rush to war mentality. Congress and the Senate failed to moderate. Bush is the leader so he carries the weight of the blame...but where do you stand? Just able to pass hate and disdain, and now you want to throw in the towel and move where? Clinton brought you a nice big apathy party with free booze, sex and money all funded by the government all the time he KNEW all about Bin Laden and Iran and the rest...yet did NOTHING. Oh yeah he did TLAM a real baby milk factory in Egypt...nobody remembers that failed intel. I say leave, let the rest of us sac up and get involved and get the job done...your just in the way. Nighty night!!!

[7 Wishes]

He won the last 2 elections, the last one in a MAJOR landslide (at least compared to the media predictions of the exact opposite beforehand).

This is what it is.
Current approval ratings be damned he's a 2-timer now and the country, if it doesn't like it, has a chance to vote ANOTHER individual in this year. Every Prez has 4 years, and then another ATTEMPT @ another 4 years.

You people who don't like it, vote Democrat this time around, like you said you would LAST time (when "another 2000 will NEVER happen again.") and maybe it'll turn out different.

Don't shoot me - I'm just the piano player!

Anyway, Clinton was a two-timer, too. And Reagan was married three times, wasn't he? I know he left his last wife because he was having an affair with Nancy.

[RedWingFan]

Well, I read your post looking for a direct quote. But couldn't find one. Forgive me if I hold off on commenting 'til I get an unbiased source.

Someone who idolizes Limbaugh, Hannity, and Katz...is holding out judgment because he wants to get an "unbiased source"?

Give it a rest, already.

Limbaugh? Hell yes. Hannity? No. Katz? Who the hell is that????
But for good measure you can throw the brilliant constitutional lawyer Mark Levin into the Hell Yes catagory!

[7 Wishes]

The greatness of this Nation is that you have a choice...see ya!! And on who's watch did the foundation of our apathy and repeated failed action occur? What about your apathy and Ostrich approach to wanton aggression against our land - where we live! Still haven't offered a better solution, the most powerful and all knowing Democrats agrees with Bush on the threat posed by Iraq. Got it, bad gouge and poor intelligence and a system that was more prone to proffer a party line supported doctrine. There was a rush to war mentality. Congress and the Senate failed to moderate. Bush is the leader so he carries the weight of the blame...but where do you stand? Just able to pass hate and disdain, and now you want to throw in the towel and move where? Clinton brought you a nice big apathy party with free booze, sex and money all funded by the government all the time he KNEW all about Bin Laden and Iran and the rest...yet did NOTHING. Oh yeah he did TLAM a real baby milk factory in Egypt...nobody remembers that failed intel. I say leave, let the rest of us sac up and get involved and get the job done...your just in the way. Nighty night!!!

p.s. Dean, you still want that picture?

Good Lord, Liz. Come on. No matter how much evidence to the contrary we throw at you guys, you just ignore it!

I, for one, was disturbed by what I read about Clinton earlier in the thread and plan to research those allegations and issues carefully...as has happened many times in the past, I will re-examine my position on a number of beliefs and issues.

So just continue to ignore the facts...Clinton was ALL OVER terrorism. But I have known a lot of spouses and family members of members of the military, and they are all the same. They don't know the facts, but they just listen to Limbaugh and Katz and Hannity and carbon-copy and repeat ad infinitum. Please do some research on the FACTS before you make another post.

[squirt1]

After reading all 6 pgs may I make a comment w/o attack? The Russians were supplying Suddam with WMD. Saddam was supplying terrorists in his country such as Abu Nidal who Saddam shot to death. He was using all that revenue to offer terrorists to do his dirty work. He killed 300,000 of the Kurds and he was dangerous. Seems Russia & Syria were making their move on the oil and selling weapons. I saw the convoy of 55 semi's leave and head though the Russian puppet state of Syria as we entered from the south and it was tracked by us and Israel to be buried on the Becca Valley which is a Hezbollah stronghold. Israel survives by knowing their enemies. Oh, and by the way, we will never leave that oil supply or for Iran to move in. The straight of Hermoz will not be blocked by Iran either. Furthermore our soldiers knew that someone that was VERY GOOD got stuff out of there from whaat was left behind. Russia now just sent uranium for Iran to fire up those peaceful reactors up. Ok, have at it but do read up on all the articles about WMD and the Bekka Valley.

[Saint John]

Here is all you need to know about Clinton, his failed attempts to capture bin laden and the one time he refused to have bin laden HANDED over to us by the Sudanese government. This article is historically accurate and shows how he completely blew it. 9-11 was like a long football drive. Bin laden drove to the 1 yard line against Clinton and scored against Bush. The planning, trial runs, financing and logistics ALL happened while Clinton was in office.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnist ... d=95001289

[Rockindeano]

Limbaugh? Hell yes.

Like I said, I feel embarrassed for you. To even admit this publicly. Uou need help dude.

[RedWingFan]

Clinton was ALL OVER terrorism.

You're such a dope! Is that why Clinton had to send Sandy Burger into the National Archive and smuggle out documents in his socks and undies before the 9/11 commission report? Dope! You crack me up man!