who do you want as next president & vice president......

[conversationpc]

That's strange and untrue, it was actually a dipshit truck driver who tried to seek an injunction. Nothing to do with the government - And this, from The Daily Mail, the most hysterical rightwing 'the commies are coming' newspaper in the UK....just another far right slur...

Thanks for the info if that's indeed true. I'll have to check it out.

However, the truck driver is right...Gore's movie has more holes than a game of Whack-a-Mole.

[ohsherrie]

Like I said Barb, you're clueless and seem determined to stay that way.

There is no way for me to make you people understand the reality of the situation. Dean knows. Daniel knows. Most of the American population knows, it's just a pity that so many of them aren't on here because they can't afford a computer and internet service anymore.

So your company employs 10,000 people. That's really good for those people. How many do you suppose Vf Corporation(Lee Jeans, Wrangler Jeans, Vanity Fair Lingerie, Jantzen Swimwear, JanSport sportswear, Danskin Dance and Exercise wear, Healthtex Children's clothing, Lee Knit and Fleecewear, a few others) employed in this country before it went to Mexico and China? I don't either, but I can assure you it was many more than 10,000. In fact a few of those subsidiaries each employed that many. That was the corporation that I was an IE and then plant manager for.

How about Burlington Industries. In case you don't know they were a huge textile manufacturer. In fact, the biggest in the world. They're gone now too. That's the one my husband was a dye formulator and daughter was a lab tech for.

Then there's Lane, Bassett, Stanley, Hooker, Pennsylvania House, and American Furniture companies(that I know of). I'd say they probably altogether employed a few more than 10,000, wouldn't you? They're all made in China now. Lane was where my youngest daughter was a customer service rep.

How many equal paying jobs do you think have been created to replace all of those? All of the facilities that we all worked at were within a 50 mi radius in south central VA. But, since your BIG company has 100 jobs posted I guess you think they should all be in good shape.

I'm not whining about my personal circumstances because my family is actually doing quite well compared to most of the people who worked for me and worked with my husband and daughters.

You really have no clue about the reality of the job situation in this country and there's no source of information I can point you to that can explain it. There are numbers and graphs, but it's all meaningless to you because you're too removed from it. There's obviously no experience in your, or Dave's or Stuart's lives that can make you understand.

I truly hope none of you is ever in the situation that so many thousands of people in this country are in.

[Barb]

Like I said Barb, you're clueless and seem determined to stay that way.

There is no way for me to make you people understand the reality of the situation. Dean knows. Daniel knows. Most of the American population knows, it's just a pity that so many of them aren't on here because they can't afford a computer and internet service anymore.

So your company employs 10,000 people. That's really good for those people. How many do you suppose Vf Corporation(Lee Jeans, Wrangler Jeans, Vanity Fair Lingerie, Jantzen Swimwear, JanSport sportswear, Danskin Dance and Exercise wear, Healthtex Children's clothing, Lee Knit and Fleecewear, a few others) employed in this country before it went to Mexico and China? I don't either, but I can assure you it was many more than 10,000. In fact a few of those subsidiaries each employed that many. That was the corporation that I was an IE and then plant manager for.

How about Burlington Industries. In case you don't know they were a huge textile manufacturer. In fact, the biggest in the world. They're gone now too. That's the one my husband was a dye formulator and daughter was a lab tech for.

Then there's Lane, Bassett, Stanley, Hooker, Pennsylvania House, and American Furniture companies(that I know of). I'd say they probably altogether employed a few more than 10,000, wouldn't you? They're all made in China now. Lane was where my youngest daughter was a customer service rep.

How many equal paying jobs do you think have been created to replace all of those? All of the facilities that we all worked at were within a 50 mi radius in south central VA. But, since your BIG company has 100 jobs posted I guess you think they should all be in good shape.

I'm not whining about my personal circumstances because my family is actually doing quite well compared to most of the people who worked for me and worked with my husband and daughters.

You really have no clue about the reality of the job situation in this country and there's no source of information I can point you to that can explain it. There are numbers and graphs, but it's all meaningless to you because you're too removed from it. There's obviously no experience in your, or Dave's or Stuart's lives that can make you understand.

I truly hope none of you is ever in the situation that so many thousands of people in this country are in.

k.

[RedWingFan]

Business is not in the business of employing people. They are in business to make money. That's the reality. Deal with it.

[Barb]

Business is not in the business of employing people. They are in business to make money. That's the reality. Deal with it.

They will never get that. It's owed to them you know. And dagnabit, it's all W's fault.

Well she did say that so many of them can't afford the internet anymore, so I'm sure that will be the next entitlement coming from Washington. "Free" internet for everyone!

[RossValoryRocks]

Like I said Barb, you're clueless and seem determined to stay that way.

There is no way for me to make you people understand the reality of the situation. Dean knows. Daniel knows. Most of the American population knows, it's just a pity that so many of them aren't on here because they can't afford a computer and internet service anymore.

So your company employs 10,000 people. That's really good for those people. How many do you suppose Vf Corporation(Lee Jeans, Wrangler Jeans, Vanity Fair Lingerie, Jantzen Swimwear, JanSport sportswear, Danskin Dance and Exercise wear, Healthtex Children's clothing, Lee Knit and Fleecewear, a few others) employed in this country before it went to Mexico and China? I don't either, but I can assure you it was many more than 10,000. In fact a few of those subsidiaries each employed that many. That was the corporation that I was an IE and then plant manager for.

How about Burlington Industries. In case you don't know they were a huge textile manufacturer. In fact, the biggest in the world. They're gone now too. That's the one my husband was a dye formulator and daughter was a lab tech for.

Then there's Lane, Bassett, Stanley, Hooker, Pennsylvania House, and American Furniture companies(that I know of). I'd say they probably altogether employed a few more than 10,000, wouldn't you? They're all made in China now. Lane was where my youngest daughter was a customer service rep.

How many equal paying jobs do you think have been created to replace all of those? All of the facilities that we all worked at were within a 50 mi radius in south central VA. But, since your BIG company has 100 jobs posted I guess you think they should all be in good shape.

I'm not whining about my personal circumstances because my family is actually doing quite well compared to most of the people who worked for me and worked with my husband and daughters.

You really have no clue about the reality of the job situation in this country and there's no source of information I can point you to that can explain it. There are numbers and graphs, but it's all meaningless to you because you're too removed from it. There's obviously no experience in your, or Dave's or Stuart's lives that can make you understand.

I truly hope none of you is ever in the situation that so many thousands of people in this country are in.

I have more experience with being poor than you do it seems, thank you very much. I certainly didn't turn to the government to help me. I pulled my self up by the bootstraps and got on with it. If I can do it so can anyone else.

The manufacturing jobs in this country have been leaving for 40 years. Blaming President Bush for it all is not only disingenuous it is factually wrong.

[Rip Rokken]

I truly hope none of you is ever in the situation that so many thousands of people in this country are in.

I have more experience with being poor than you do it seems, thank you very much. I certainly didn't turn to the government to help me. I pulled my self up by the bootstraps and got on with it. If I can do it so can anyone else.[/quote]

I don't work in big Corporate America (though my company is incorporated), and wouldn't touch it unless I had no other choice. That's just the nature of the beast, and has nothing to do with who is President. I'm not knocking corporations at all, because they provide tons of great jobs. My personal preference is just not to work for a publicly traded company that could be bought and sold on a whim. I'd rather grow roots... I've been with this company for 14 years now...

[conversationpc]

There's obviously no experience in your, or Dave's or Stuart's lives that can make you understand.

I truly hope none of you is ever in the situation that so many thousands of people in this country are in.

Bullshit. Conservatives neeeeeever go through hard times, I guess.

As I already stated, I've already been in that situation you described four or five times since the early 90s. Each time, I adapted and worked my ass off to make my own circumstances better. The government had nothing to do with it. The reason I lost those jobs may have been beyond my control but I controlled how I responded to it and how I got myself out of it was my responsibility.

[RedWingFan]

There's obviously no experience in your, or Dave's or Stuart's lives that can make you understand.

I truly hope none of you is ever in the situation that so many thousands of people in this country are in.

Bullshit. Conservatives neeeeeever go through hard times, I guess.

As I already stated, I've already been in that situation you described four or five times since the early 90s. Each time, I adapted and worked my ass off to make my own circumstances better. The government had nothing to do with it. The reason I lost those jobs may have been beyond my control but I controlled how I responded to it and how I got myself out of it was my responsibility.

But see, with a lot of "benign socialism" you wouldn't have had to bother with that!

[Barb]

I don't work in big Corporate America (though my company is incorporated), and wouldn't touch it unless I had no other choice. That's just the nature of the beast, and has nothing to do with who is President. I'm not knocking corporations at all, because they provide tons of great jobs. My personal preference is just not to work for a publicly traded company that could be bought and sold on a whim. I'd rather grow roots... I've been with this company for 14 years now...

I've worked for a big corporation for the same man for 15 years this April. It can be done, but is not all that common. I've been fortunate enough to survive many work force reductions and have seen a lot of friends leave.

[ohsherrie]

There's obviously no experience in your, or Dave's or Stuart's lives that can make you understand.

I truly hope none of you is ever in the situation that so many thousands of people in this country are in.

Bullshit. Conservatives neeeeeever go through hard times, I guess.

As I already stated, I've already been in that situation you described four or five times since the early 90s. Each time, I adapted and worked my ass off to make my own circumstances better. The government had nothing to do with it. The reason I lost those jobs may have been beyond my control but I controlled how I responded to it and how I got myself out of it was my responsibility.

No Dave, you still just don't get it. Unless you worked for five different companies in the same area that all closed operations and left thousands of people jobless, you really have no idea what I'm talking about. Go on thinking what you want to.

I can't make you understand it because you're all afraid to know. You're afraid to face the fact that you may be wrong and end up in the same boat as the workers who are facing the reality of it now. That's OK, enjoy your delusional world. I have to find a way to pull away from this on here because it's just too discouraging and disappointing to see how many people are so misinformed and happy to be so.

I have to say this has been an educational experience for me though. I really had no idea how disconnected with reality the voters of this country were. It's not encouraging for me or this country.

[RedWingFan]

There's obviously no experience in your, or Dave's or Stuart's lives that can make you understand.

I truly hope none of you is ever in the situation that so many thousands of people in this country are in.

Bullshit. Conservatives neeeeeever go through hard times, I guess.

As I already stated, I've already been in that situation you described four or five times since the early 90s. Each time, I adapted and worked my ass off to make my own circumstances better. The government had nothing to do with it. The reason I lost those jobs may have been beyond my control but I controlled how I responded to it and how I got myself out of it was my responsibility.

No Dave, you still just don't get it. Unless you worked for five different companies in the same area that all closed operations and left thousands of people jobless, you really have no idea what I'm talking about. Go on thinking what you want to.

I can't make you understand it because you're all afraid to know. You're afraid to face the fact that you may be wrong and end up in the same boat as the workers who are facing the reality of it now. That's OK, enjoy your delusional world. I have to find a way to pull away from this on here because it's just too discouraging and disappointing to see how many people are so misinformed and happy to be so.

I have to say this has been an educational experience for me though. I really had no idea how disconnected with reality the voters of this country were. It's not encouraging for me or this country.

Well I'm born and raised in Flint, Michigan (former home of General Motors) Plants have been closing left and right here since the late 70's. How did GWB cause that? Does that qualify me to know the Corporate world that you've deemed yourself the all knowing expert of?

[7 Wishes]

As I already stated, I've already been in that situation you described four or five times since the early 90s. Each time, I adapted and worked my ass off to make my own circumstances better. The government had nothing to do with it. The reason I lost those jobs may have been beyond my control but I controlled how I responded to it and how I got myself out of it was my responsibility.

Good for you, Dave. In all seriousness.

I have been down that same boulevard. Twice. Do you see now why I felt emasculated and mistreated/midjudged when a couple of people questioned MY integrity, hard work and dedication because I was overly empathetic with the downtrodden?

[ohsherrie]

Well I'm born and raised in Flint, Michigan (former home of General Motors) Plants have been closing left and right here since the late 70's. How did GWB cause that? Does that qualify me to know the Corporate world that you've deemed yourself the all knowing expert of?

No it doesn't, because there apparently were enough other jobs to absorb many of those workers in that area for several years because if not I'd think you'd know it. Most of those workers probably had to flip burgers, deliver pizzas, and wash cars. But what the hell, the unemployment figures looked good, right?

Flint and Detroit are metropolitan areas. Many, if not most, of the areas of the country that are being effected now are rural communities with only towns or small cities where the majority of the jobs are.

When these plant closings happen in small cities and towns surrounded by rural areas such as are the norm in the Midwest and south there are no other industries or small business jobs to absorb the displaced.

When a company that employs 1,000 of a community of 10,000 closes so do many of the small businesses in that area. People can't buy cars and appliances, shop at the local shops, eat in local restaurants, or even pay a car wash if they don't have jobs, so those business's close too. No new ones replace them because there is no revenue base for that community.

I could understand that someone who's never lived outside a metropolitan area, or in a small community that's within commuting distance of one, wouldn't be able to understand the plight of the thousands of people whose livelihoods were based on industries that are far away from any metropolitan area if there was no information to the contrary available, but DAMN people this is the information age. Are you so couched in your faulty philosophy that you're afraid to venture far enough out of your comfort zones to look for reality?

[RedWingFan]

Well I'm born and raised in Flint, Michigan (former home of General Motors) Plants have been closing left and right here since the late 70's. How did GWB cause that? Does that qualify me to know the Corporate world that you've deemed yourself the all knowing expert of?

No it doesn't, because there apparently were enough other jobs to absorb many of those workers in that area for several years because if not I'd think you'd know it. Most of those workers probably had to flip burgers, deliver pizzas, and wash cars. But what the hell, the unemployment figures looked good, right?

Flint and Detroit are metropolitan areas. Many, if not most, of the areas of the country that are being effected now are rural communities with only towns or small cities where the majority of the jobs are.

When these plant closings happen in small cities and towns surrounded by rural areas such as are the norm in the Midwest and south there are no other industries or small business jobs to absorb the displaced.

When a company that employs 1,000 of a community of 10,000 closes so do many of the small businesses in that area. People can't buy cars and appliances, shop at the local shops, eat in local restaurants, or even pay a car wash if they don't have jobs, so those business's close too. No new ones replace them because there is no revenue base for that community.

I could understand that someone who's never lived outside a metropolitan area, or in a small community that's within commuting distance of one, wouldn't be able to understand the plight of the thousands of people whose livelihoods were based on industries that are far away from any metropolitan area if there was no information to the contrary available, but DAMN people this is the information age. Are you so couched in your faulty philosophy that you're afraid to venture far enough out of your comfort zones to look for reality?

You are the absolute biggest nutcase I've ever come across. Why don't you try checking Michigan's unemployment rate compared to the national average? Our brilliant Canadian governor just raised taxes again and released thousands of inmates. I'll give you one guess which party she resides. (hint: raised taxes and soft on crime also the same party as both of our worthless US senators)

[conversationpc]

As I already stated, I've already been in that situation you described four or five times since the early 90s. Each time, I adapted and worked my ass off to make my own circumstances better. The government had nothing to do with it. The reason I lost those jobs may have been beyond my control but I controlled how I responded to it and how I got myself out of it was my responsibility.

Good for you, Dave. In all seriousness.

I have been down that same boulevard. Twice. Do you see now why I felt emasculated and mistreated/midjudged when a couple of people questioned MY integrity, hard work and dedication because I was overly empathetic with the downtrodden?

You could always become a eunuch...

Seriously, I have respect for anyone, regardless of political persuasion that goes through that kind of stuff and perseveres.

[conversationpc]

I could understand that someone who's never lived outside a metropolitan area, or in a small community that's within commuting distance of one, wouldn't be able to understand the plight of the thousands of people whose livelihoods were based on industries that are far away from any metropolitan area if there was no information to the contrary available, but DAMN people this is the information age. Are you so couched in your faulty philosophy that you're afraid to venture far enough out of your comfort zones to look for reality?

I grew up in a town of about 1500-2000 in rural Pennsylvania, close to NO big cities, the biggest being Erie and Buffalo, both 2 & 1/2 hours away. The job base in that community was in the southern tier of New York, which had a poor economy for much of the time I lived there (due in large part, in my opinion, to some of the highest taxes of any state in the country). Most of the companies that provided jobs there were just a few large employers. Some of them went out of business, leaving lots of people jobless. You know what? They either managed to find work elsewhere in a similar industry or retrained themselves so that they would be employable in a different industry.

That's reality.

[conversationpc]

You are the absolute biggest nutcase I've ever come across. Why don't you try checking Michigan's unemployment rate compared to the national average? Our brilliant Canadian governor just raised taxes again and released thousands of inmates. I'll give you one guess which party she resides. (hint: raised taxes and soft on crime also the same party as both of our worthless US senators)

Yeah, but you just don't know "reality" and you're totally uninformed and probably unintelligent also because you believe in "faulty" philosophies.

[RedWingFan]

I could understand that someone who's never lived outside a metropolitan area, or in a small community that's within commuting distance of one, wouldn't be able to understand the plight of the thousands of people whose livelihoods were based on industries that are far away from any metropolitan area if there was no information to the contrary available, but DAMN people this is the information age. Are you so couched in your faulty philosophy that you're afraid to venture far enough out of your comfort zones to look for reality?

I grew up in a town of about 1500-2000 in rural Pennsylvania, close to NO big cities, the biggest being Erie and Buffalo, both 2 & 1/2 hours away. The job base in that community was in the southern tier of New York, which had a poor economy for much of the time I lived there (due in large part, in my opinion, to some of the highest taxes of any state in the country). Most of the companies that provided jobs there were just a few large employers. Some of them went out of business, leaving lots of people jobless. You know what? They either managed to find work elsewhere in a similar industry or retrained themselves so that they would be employable in a different industry.

That's reality.

Dude, I'm sure this doesn't qualify you to debate with THE Corporate expert either! Nice try...NOT. That was pretty weak!

[conversationpc]

Dude, I'm sure this doesn't qualify you to debate with THE Corporate expert either! Nice try...NOT. That was pretty weak!

Yeah, experience just doesn't give you the experience necessary to measure up to ohsherrie's experience requirement.

[7 Wishes]

You could always become a eunuch...

Thanks, but I've already been married once.

[larryfromnextdoor]

You could always become a eunuch...

Thanks, but I've already been married once.

finally a big laugh in this forsaken thread,,, you guys..

[NealIsGod]

Hillary,Obama,McCain or Romney.

[7 Wishes]

I think McCain would make a fantastic President. Damn good man and a hell of a leader. And he is the same age Reagan was, too, so that isn't an issue for me. Plus, he's a lot healthier than the Gipper was at this time in 1979.

[Barb]

I think McCain would make a fantastic President. Damn good man and a hell of a leader. And he is the same age Reagan was, too, so that isn't an issue for me. Plus, he's a lot healthier than the Gipper was at this time in 1979.

Go Hillary!

[Playitloudforme]

Hillary gets my vote. A Clinton/Obama ticket would be unstoppable, and I'm hoping for that.

[Barb]

Hillary gets my vote. A Clinton/Obama ticket would be unstoppable, and I'm hoping for that.

I hope Obama doesn't sell out to the Clintons. Their racial politicking is pretty demeaning and Obama is better than that. I wouldn't play #2 to Hillary if I were him.

[Playitloudforme]

Hillary gets my vote. A Clinton/Obama ticket would be unstoppable, and I'm hoping for that.

I hope Obama doesn't sell out to the Clintons. Their racial politicking is pretty demeaning and Obama is better than that. I wouldn't play #2 to Hillary if I were him.

He probably won't. But it would be a strong team across the board if they did.

[Rockindeano]

Hillary gets my vote. A Clinton/Obama ticket would be unstoppable, and I'm hoping for that.

I hope Obama doesn't sell out to the Clintons. Their racial politicking is pretty demeaning

LOL. But the republicans NEVER do that huh? LOL Like republicans care about race. Give me a fucking break.

[Barb]

Hillary gets my vote. A Clinton/Obama ticket would be unstoppable, and I'm hoping for that.

I hope Obama doesn't sell out to the Clintons. Their racial politicking is pretty demeaning

LOL. But the republicans NEVER do that huh? LOL Like republicans care about race. Give me a fucking break.

When will you get it through your head that I don't give a fuck about the Republicans either. I respect Barack Obama and think he deserves better than that. You can just take that statement at face value without adding your partisan bullshit to it. I'm not all wrapped up in hatred like some of you are around politics.