VOTE, Dammit!

[scarygirl]

some kind of job.

Why should someone who has had their good, solid, middle class income taken away from them by this government so that the corporate CEOs and CFOs can make a few more billion dollars be happy with "some kind of job" and no health care benefits? They worked for, earned and deserved the lives they had attained. Nobody gave them to them.

Many of them are college graduates, but that degree doesn't do any good when there are no jobs. Do you know how many people with college degrees my daughter supervises answering phones in an insurance customer service center for less than $30,000/yr because they can't find any other job? They couldn't get those jobs with their degrees either. They had to go take classes and pass an insurance board certification exam just like the high school grads they're working beside.

What is right, fair, or honorable about this government not only allowing, but encouraging through corporate welfare and tax cuts, all these job and health care benefit losses so that people like Angelo Mozilo can get millions in severance while the people his Countrywide wrote sub-prime loans for lose their homes? http://i.abcnews.com/Business/MarketTal ... 306&page=1 Yeah he waved $36 million of it. Damned big of him.

I am curious how you think the government is able to take or give jobs, other than the ones the government has in government itself?

They took the jobs by paying the corporations to move them out of the country.

Care to back that claim up?

[Rockindeano]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

[RossValoryRocks]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

But those are the minimum wage paying jobs you think are beneath people. Every job should pay $100K a year right?

A corporation exists for ONE reason...to make money...not bring jobs or benefits to people. I know that seems harsh but it is the TRUTH of the matter. And it is the basis of a free market economy.

If you hadn't slept through all your economics classes or skipped them to go watch Vancouver smack a puck around you would know this!

[bluejeangirl76]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

...or call for customer service on your credit cards, or call HP or Dell for tech support, or to place an order... or to call Sirius to change your subscription... happened to me just the other day - couldn't understand him AND the service was shitty.

[ohsherrie]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

Hell Dean, I've posted links, named many of the companies and corporations, even explained how the trade inbalance and farm land use manipulations led up to it. If they don't want to face the truth they won't though. I was asked for links to my sources as if it was some kind of obscure data, and then when I provided some was told that everybody knew that anyway. So why the fuck did they ask for sources and why don't they see what's happening?

[bluejeangirl76]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

Hell Dean, I've posted links, named many of the companies and corporations, even explained how the trade inbalance and farm land use manipulations led up to it. If they don't want to face the truth they won't though. I was asked for links to my sources as if it was some kind of obscure data, and then when I provided some was told that everybody knew that anyway. So why the fuck did they ask for sources and why don't they see what's happening?

Go argue with drywall, sher. Time better spent.

[Rockindeano]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

But those are the minimum wage paying jobs you think are beneath people. Every job should pay $100K a year right?

A corporation exists for ONE reason...to make money...not bring jobs or benefits to people. I know that seems harsh but it is the TRUTH of the matter. And it is the basis of a free market economy.

If you hadn't slept through all your economics classes or skipped them to go watch Vancouver smack a puck around you would know this!

No, minimum wage jobs aren't below people, but that is exactly the type of job your president has "created" in his glorious "economic revival."

I took econ classes Stu, have you?

[RossValoryRocks]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

Hell Dean, I've posted links, named many of the companies and corporations, even explained how the trade inbalance and farm land use manipulations led up to it. If they don't want to face the truth they won't though. I was asked for links to my sources as if it was some kind of obscure data, and then when I provided some was told that everybody knew that anyway. So why the fuck did they ask for sources and why don't they see what's happening?

And still we are the most prosperous country in the world...we have one, if not THE, highest standard of living in the world. Our "poor" generally have color tv, cable, phone, a car to drive and adequate food on the table.

You want to see REAL poor folks, go to Africa, or India, or South America, those folks are REALLY poor. The "poor" in this country enjoy a very good standard of living compared to the rest of the worlds poor.

Some how I don't think your daughter who lost her job was starving, or had no place to live, or no phone or didn't have a car to get to work.

Now...class envy is a whole other can of worms.

So back to the call center thing...those jobs don't pay anything in the US...mimimum wage, that's it.

Look at our current unemployment rate, companies are having problems finding enough people to staff, particularly in the high tech fields. There are PLENTY of jobs, and GOOD PAYING ONES, in this country. If a person cannot find one then they are either unskilled in that job field, or maybe there just isn't one in their town. So go GET QUALIFIED to do the job or MOVE.

[RossValoryRocks]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

But those are the minimum wage paying jobs you think are beneath people. Every job should pay $100K a year right?

A corporation exists for ONE reason...to make money...not bring jobs or benefits to people. I know that seems harsh but it is the TRUTH of the matter. And it is the basis of a free market economy.

If you hadn't slept through all your economics classes or skipped them to go watch Vancouver smack a puck around you would know this!

No, minimum wage jobs aren't below people, but that is exactly the type of job your president has "created" in his glorious "economic revival."

I took econ classes Stu, have you?

Yes I did, got an MBA and a Masters in Information Technology to boot. I ran a successful company and made a ton of money doing so, employed 20 good people and sold the company to another company and went back to work.

I dare say I know more about business than you.

[Rockindeano]

And still we are the most prosperous country in the world...we have one, if not THE, highest standard of living in the world. Our "poor" generally have color tv, cable, phone, a car to drive and adequate food on the table.

Yet a high number our Veterans sleep under bridges. Yes, it is true, despite what your boy Bill-O says.

[Rockindeano]

I dare say I know more about business than you.

Probably, as I hate the business side of things. Taxes are half business and half politics/policy. I love electoral politics and presidential policy matters. Fuck. I love it so much, I am renting every disc of the West Wing from Netflix. Love that shit, more than sex or hockey.

[ohsherrie]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

But those are the minimum wage paying jobs you think are beneath people.

No they're not Stuart. Most of them are $35 - $60 thousand/yr jobs with retirement and health care benefits. The jobs that are being created are the minimum wage jobs($15 - $25/yr) for small businesses with no retirement or health care benefits.

Yes, corporations are in the business of making money, but this government shouldn't be in the business of helping those corporations make money at the expense of the American workers who are being displaced and disenfranchised.

[RossValoryRocks]

And still we are the most prosperous country in the world...we have one, if not THE, highest standard of living in the world. Our "poor" generally have color tv, cable, phone, a car to drive and adequate food on the table.

Yet a high number our Veterans sleep under bridges. Yes, it is true, despite what your boy Bill-O says.

How high is a high number? What percentage?? We are both vets...I know you don't sleep under a bridge...and it has been this way forever Dean. As a country we don't take very good care of those who sacraficed for our freedom. If you think has only been going on since 2001 then you are crazy.

Actually I agree with you on this mostly. It's a shame how we treat our vets.

And why do you keep trying to tie me conservative figures?? My boy Bill-O? I never watch Fox News, especially O'Reilly.

[Barb]

And still we are the most prosperous country in the world...we have one, if not THE, highest standard of living in the world. Our "poor" generally have color tv, cable, phone, a car to drive and adequate food on the table.

Yet a high number our Veterans sleep under bridges. Yes, it is true, despite what your boy Bill-O says.

When did Bill O'Reilly say there were no homeless vets? He never said that. He challenged Edwards on his assertion that these people were homeless because of the economy, which is flat out untrue. The majority of homeless vets (and non vets) is due to mental illneess or substance abuse issues. There are programs in place for the vets, but they have to seek them out. If you've ever dealt with a chronic substance abuser, you know they don't want any part of it.

[RossValoryRocks]

I dare say I know more about business than you.

Probably, as I hate the business side of things. Taxes are half business and half politics/policy. I love electoral politics and presidential policy matters. Fuck. I love it so much, I am renting every disc of the West Wing from Netflix. Love that shit, more than sex or hockey.

You must REALLY love it bro...I know how much you like the other 2 things...

[RossValoryRocks]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

But those are the minimum wage paying jobs you think are beneath people.

No they're not Stuart. Most of them are $35 - $60 thousand/yr jobs with retirement and health care benefits. The jobs that are being created are the minimum wage jobs($15 - $25/yr) for small businesses with no retirement or health care benefits.

Yes, corporations are in the business of making money, but this government shouldn't be in the business of helping those corporations make money at the expense of the American workers who are being displaced and disenfranchised.

NO CALL CENTER JOBS PAY $35/hr...NONE...ZERO ZIP!

[Rockindeano]

And still we are the most prosperous country in the world...we have one, if not THE, highest standard of living in the world. Our "poor" generally have color tv, cable, phone, a car to drive and adequate food on the table.

Yet a high number our Veterans sleep under bridges. Yes, it is true, despite what your boy Bill-O says.

When did Bill O'Reilly say there were no homeless vets? He never said that. He challenged Edwards on his assertion that these people were homeless because of the economy, which is flat out untrue. The majority of homeless vets (and non vets) is due to mental illneess or substance abuse issues. There are programs in place for the vets, but they have to seek them out. If you've ever dealt with a chronic substance abuser, you know they don't want any part of it.

Walter Reid is sure as Hell a nice place for Vets huh?

Edwards was more correct than Bill-O. There are thousands, hundred of thousands living homeless. We need to take care of these people, the very people who VOLUNTEERED to wear the uniform and face bullets.

Case in point. Yesterday, republicans voted down a Democratic effort to add 40 billion onto the economic stim package that would have helped retirees, homeless(Vets) and unemployed. Why? Seriously, this econ stim pack is a government bailout, so why can't all Americans benefit?

Stu, I can't speak for you, but I often think about my time in Saudi Arabia and Iraq and it gives me the willies.

[ohsherrie]

I dare say I know more about business than you.

About running a business maybe, and maybe about the mechanics of economics and theories of what their impacts should be. But I think you have a very narrow viewpoint that's too far removed from the consequences of these kinds of massive job losses on the economies of the communities involved and how that ultimately impacts the economy of the country much more that Donald Trump buying another building does. I also don't think you know nearly as much about the reality of the lives of the majority of the people who make up middle America as I do. For most of them, $50 - $75 thousand a year with a 401k and health care benefits is a damed good living. They're not able to earn that in those small business jobs that are being created.

[ohsherrie]

Please. If you are unaware of this happening, you might want to pick up a fucking newspaper. Go google Multi National Corporations or try booking a flight on any airline. You need to know Indian to make a fuckin reservation.

But those are the minimum wage paying jobs you think are beneath people.

No they're not Stuart. Most of them are $35 - $60 thousand/yr jobs with retirement and health care benefits. The jobs that are being created are the minimum wage jobs($15 - $25/yr) for small businesses with no retirement or health care benefits.

Yes, corporations are in the business of making money, but this government shouldn't be in the business of helping those corporations make money at the expense of the American workers who are being displaced and disenfranchised.

NO CALL CENTER JOBS PAY $35/hr...NONE...ZERO ZIP!

Where did you you read anything about a $35/hr call center job?

[ohsherrie]

Our "poor" generally have color tv, cable, phone, a car to drive and adequate food on the table.

Who are you calling poor? I don't think most of the working people who are able to afford those things think of themselves as poor. There are poor people who live in hovels with a satellite dish and an Escalade in the yard, but those are mostly welfare Cadillacs. The working poor don't live as well as you seem to think.

[KenTheDude]

wHy DoN't wE aLL juSt qUiT oUr joBs anD livE OfF oF goVernMeNt cHeEse? I hEar It's pRetty gOOd aCtUaLLy.

[bluejeangirl76]

wHy DoN't wE aLL juSt qUiT oUr joBs anD livE OfF oF goVernMeNt cHeEse? I hEar It's pRetty gOOd aCtUaLLy.

That was funny, except now I need Lasik eye surgery from reading it.
Will the government cover that?

[KenTheDude]

wHy DoN't wE aLL juSt qUiT oUr joBs anD livE OfF oF goVernMeNt cHeEse? I hEar It's pRetty gOOd aCtUaLLy.

That was funny, except now I need Lasik eye surgery from reading it.
Will the government cover that?

That depends on how much you make. Lasik eye surgery is cool by the way. Especially when you smell your corneas cooking from the lasers.

[bluejeangirl76]

wHy DoN't wE aLL juSt qUiT oUr joBs anD livE OfF oF goVernMeNt cHeEse? I hEar It's pRetty gOOd aCtUaLLy.

That was funny, except now I need Lasik eye surgery from reading it.
Will the government cover that?

That depends on how much you make. Lasik eye surgery is cool by the way. Especially when you smell your corneas cooking from the lasers.

Annnnnnnd.... there goes lunch.

[donnaplease]

About running a business maybe, and maybe about the mechanics of economics and theories of what their impacts should be. But I think you have a very narrow viewpoint that's too far removed from the consequences of these kinds of massive job losses on the economies of the communities involved and how that ultimately impacts the economy of the country much more that Donald Trump buying another building does. I also don't think you know nearly as much about the reality of the lives of the majority of the people who make up middle America as I do. For most of them, $50 - $75 thousand a year with a 401k and health care benefits is a damed good living. They're not able to earn that in those small business jobs that are being created.

Sherrie, as I've said before, I live in a community that has been affected by job losses. I once worked in an accounting office at a factory that closed, and because of that I was able to take advantage of the 'dislocated workers act' which paid for job re-training. As a result, I attended nursing school and have been able to improve my circumstances. More recently the Wrangler corporation closed 2 of it's local plants, dislocating very many people that I know, some of whom have never worked at another job in their adult lives. Some of these folks also took advantage of a similar program, and are now licensed cosmetologists, nurses, nursing assistants, bank tellers, etc. So while in some ways the loss of those initial jobs was a scary, bad time for them, in other ways they perhaps have improved their quality of life. The hairdresser I mentioned is in a fact a small business owner herself now. I doubt she makes the salary with the 401K that you mentioned, but she enjoys what she does and is able to take care of her family. Change sucks sometimes, but how we deal with it can make or break us.

[RedWingFan]

About running a business maybe, and maybe about the mechanics of economics and theories of what their impacts should be. But I think you have a very narrow viewpoint that's too far removed from the consequences of these kinds of massive job losses on the economies of the communities involved and how that ultimately impacts the economy of the country much more that Donald Trump buying another building does. I also don't think you know nearly as much about the reality of the lives of the majority of the people who make up middle America as I do. For most of them, $50 - $75 thousand a year with a 401k and health care benefits is a damed good living. They're not able to earn that in those small business jobs that are being created.

Sherrie, as I've said before, I live in a community that has been affected by job losses.

So what! I was born and raised in Flint, Mi. home of General Motors, that has seen more plant closings than most anyone. OS said that that didn't qualify me to speak of business' closing shop and taking jobs elsewhere. I'm sure you fall in the same catagory. Only OS is qualified to speak on the subject. Therefore there can be no debate because there is only one who knows all. So listen here you Republican, get in line and prepare yourself for a Marxist in the White House. There is a new America coming, an America of mandated equality.

As a result, I attended nursing school and have been able to improve my circumstances.

Congratulations, you have done well by the forthcoming gov't and paid for your training out of your own pocket. You will soon be working for the gov't and earning a fairer wage more comparable to your fellow citizens. You will learn to enjoy the equality. If you soon find yourself not able to afford your mortgage payment. There will be a nice piece of government housing for you to relocate to. Again Donna, thank you for your hard work.

[Rockindeano]

Damned right there is a new America coming. Thank fucking God. No more right wing religious nut jobs, no more right winged judges.

You had your 8 years. You fucked up the entire country.

Call Hillary or Obama Marxists all you want. I would much rather have either of them, than the corrupt sewer fucks we currently have.

[lights1961]

Damned right there is a new America coming. Thank fucking God. No more right wing religious nut jobs, no more right winged judges.

You had your 8 years. You fucked up the entire country.

Call Hillary or Obama Marxists all you want. I would much rather have either of them, than the corrupt sewer fucks we currently have.

MCCAIN RULES!!! He will get the backing by the GOP but the idiots hannity rush and whoever ruined their cred with me---the only issue that should matter is IRAQ.
The surge is improving things little by liitle at a time---with MCCAIN you know that the funding will continue until we win. Oterwise yo never know Obama never voted
for the war...so how is he going to fund it??? Hil changes her mind weekly, daily and monthly... AGAIN IF WE LOSE FAITH in whats going on in IRAQ...
we lose huge... all around the world. if we win in IRAQ everything else falls into place.

Rick

[RedWingFan]

Damned right there is a new America coming. Thank fucking God. No more right wing religious nut jobs, no more right winged judges.

You had your 8 years. You fucked up the entire country.

Call Hillary or Obama Marxists all you want. I would much rather have either of them, than the corrupt sewer fucks we currently have.

MCCAIN RULES!!! He will get the backing by the GOP but the idiots hannity rush and whoever ruined their cred with me---the only issue that should matter is IRAQ.

It doesn't matter to you that McCain wants to close Gitmo bring terrorists here and give them our Constitutional rights? McCain will go down hard! I'm hoping he gets Dukakis'd. Bring on the Marxists. Bring Hillary and her Iron curtain. Only thing we can do is call her or Obama out.

The surge is improving things little by liitle at a time---with MCCAIN you know that the funding will continue until we win. Oterwise yo never know Obama never voted

If you think Hillary or Obama leave Iraq and let chaos run rampant you're crazy. They were screaming for Bush to do it so he could take the hit. You don't think Hil or Obama has it in them to lie with their campaign promises?

Hil changes her mind weekly, daily and monthly

McCain himself said "Hillary would make a fine president". He said the same thing about John Kerry. McCain is as worthless as both of them. Rush never said those words. You go ahead and keep your "cred" for McCain.

[7 Wishes]

I really liked the McCain maverick that we all knew up until 2005. This other new guy who looks and talks like him, but doesn't hold any of his beliefs...I don't like so much.