Red13JoePa wrote:annie89509 wrote:Well, what'd you know, I open this thread again today, and it's the same 2 usual suspects that's stirring the pot. Yes, Red13 and SJ. When are you guys going to learn? SP is his own man. No amount of bullying and badgering is going to make him want to sing for us.
SJ, I'm disappointed in you
. I thought we had an understanding last night that you will stop with the SP baiting. Red13 is hopeless
Was sp "his own man" before or after he put the band on indefinate hiatus by not quitting, not committing, not addressing it all with them in 87? Was he "his own man" before after he tried to do the exact same thing in '97, mothballing the band by being in it yet refusing to actually work?
Was he "his own man" before or after he made Cain make the call to fire Walter Herbert?
I'm not trying to bully or badger him into singing again, as I don't care if he does or doesn't again.
And your disappointment in SJ is one of the very traits I admire most about the kid. His objectivity. He's as big a fan of perry's singig as there is here (and he's got me on that one), yet is able to separate that from the mounds of evidence that point to the conclusion that he was a walking prick with ears as a bandmate and did everything he could to sabotage it from the inside.
And there goes RedJoe, using little bits of info here and there to twist it to the way HE sees it. We have ALL been down this road before. A while back, Strangegrey and I got into a discussion of how SP "deserted" the band, and I came up with another perspective. For years prior to that, it was NoMoreTails and Matthew. Frankly, I don't really have the time or patience at this particular time in this particular thread to rehash this debate again.
RedJoe, the only thing I ask is that you don't paint me as a loon with rose-colored glasses on. I am always objective and have called it the way I see it--good or bad. If you recall, I mentioned you by name a few times you did show objectivity toward SP.
