Randy Jackson Weighs in on Arnel

[Don]

And let's hope my dry spell will end somewhere along the way as well.

Dude, Just come out and ask her if you can hit it!!!
Want me to ask her for you?

No. He's not getting BD in my G. Sorry, Proggie.

Hey, if I went BD in your G, I can guarantee no VD in your P.

Prog, you're S.O.L.

You guys don't get it, it's all about wood instruments

[mistiejourney]

It's depressing me bigtime seeing people my age accomplishing big things and progressing in their lives while I'm still in the same rut I was in a year ago. SUCKS.

I've been there. When I had to leave college to take care of my Mom after a car wreck and was working at my Aunt's carwash for a scrappy $200/week I would get pissed to think that all of my friends were at school, traveling abroad, writing theses, and there I was in Po-Dunk scrubbing cow shit off a tire. I had to grow up fast, I moved out for the first time at 16 when I graduated high school. Long story short... it gets better. I kept chasing what everyone called "pipe dreams" and failed a LOT. But a few years later, here I am with exactly what I want and I wouldn't change a thing.

Advice: go after everything you want with everything you have. And every time you hit rock bottom (which you will), just keep going. Like I said, you have plenty of time... and fortunately that means plenty of time to fail while you get it right. You're still figuring it out... trust me, you're better off than your peers. That path can lead to a jaded cookie-cutter existence. You'll see it. Chin up, grasshopper.

You didn't fail, you just found some things that didn't work!

[Matthew]

Anyway...if you can look beyond your self-righteousness for just a second you'd see that conflict is usually an essential aspect of creativity - and in Journey's case it helped them to produce extraordinary music even if it all imploded in the end.

Journey's biggest success came when they were essentially one big happy family (1981-83). The vast majority of the turmoil, down time, and excuses not to tour and/or record happened after that.

Where do you get this idea that Journey were a "happy family" Saint John? During the recording of Escape Schon was often taking the piss out of Perry - and it all came to a head during the recording of Open Arms with Schon mimicing him through the window of the recording booth. When they played Open Arms live and the crowd reaction was ecstatic Perry said he walked passed Schon on stage and gave him a look as if to say, "Fuck you."

Look at the interviews about this period and you can see these weren't back-slapping buddy moments either...

By 1982 and 1983 Schon's outside projects were already causing tension. As was Perry's increasing withdrawal from the group. Look at most of those ridiculous Frontiers videos and you can see the tensions...Perry looking miserable in the limo in Faithfully...the band confronting Perry at a meeting in After The Fall...and Perry and Schon coming to blows in Chain Reaction. We can laugh at how cheesy these videos are now but from all accounts Perry really was riding alone in limos...the band meetings were incredibly acrimonious...and although there's no account of Perry and Schon coming to blows their relationship was in steep decline.

Also - I think ROR is every bit the masterpiece that Escape and Frontiers were - and we all know how fucked up things had got during that time.

So to say that Journey were happy and clappy until - suddenly - it all fell apart in 1984 isn't true. There are stories about conflicts which date right back to 1978...

[mistiejourney]

This whole thing is funny. Randy Jackson comments on Arnel and here we go again with calling each other all manner of names.

I would like to propose a name calling contest here. I will start and then you can reply to me, though I won't reply to keep it going. Everyone else can reply on my behalf.

Everyone on this board (except for me) are collectively the world's largest losers (sorry, that's the best I can do when I am supposed to be working).

Take that!

Ha! You all have cooties! Except for me because I...well....I don't have cooties! The rest of you look like you're playing air keytar!

[Tito]

[quote="Matthew"taking the piss [/quote]

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

Well in my mind he still sounded great in 96 -

REFERRING TO THE VOICE ON THE ALBUM....

Really? What tour was that on?

i would like one more album - lower register husky voice

That album was called Raised On Radio. Unless you'd like another smoke and mirrors job that can't be performed live a la TBF you're out of luck!

If you think the voice on ROR is vastly different then i am lucky - must be going deaf cos i cant hear much of a difference or maybe on a subconscious level i just like it even MORe than the voice of previous albums - its all good to me - i'm sure he has plenty left in the tank. One thing he won't do, is go public with a weak product.

[Saint John]

I wonder if Randy got to hear the same demos that Lora and Cyndy heard?

I was able to find two of the demos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kd8xp86reY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbdP7sq0w8

[mistiejourney]

I wonder if Randy got to hear the same demos that Lora and Cyndy heard?

I was able to find two of the demos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kd8xp86reY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbdP7sq0w8

You are horrible! I love it!

[Saint John]

I wonder if Randy got to hear the same demos that Lora and Cyndy heard?

I was able to find two of the demos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kd8xp86reY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbdP7sq0w8

You are horrible! I love it!

Ok, Ok...enough kidding around. Per Randy: "Steve's fine. I actually had lunch with him about a month ago. He's working on hot stuff, too."
Here's what Steve's really working on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-TM3q5-Cc

[TRAGChick]

what made him so fucked up also made him one of the most emotive and soulful singers the world has ever seen.

If Perry had been well-adjusted and contented and as well-behaved as a gold star-winning corporate employee...Journey would never have made it big, I reckon.

Mind if I matte and frame this quote?

SPOT ON!

[mistiejourney]

I wonder if Randy got to hear the same demos that Lora and Cyndy heard?

I was able to find two of the demos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kd8xp86reY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbdP7sq0w8

You are horrible! I love it!

Ok, Ok...enough kidding around. Per Randy: "Steve's fine. I actually had lunch with him about a month ago. He's working on hot stuff, too."
Here's what Steve's really working on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-TM3q5-Cc

Then again maybe he was cooking with jalapenos.....

Oh, that was so bad I embarrassed myself!

[Saint John]

Mind if I matte and frame this quote?

Not at all, Nora. Just be sure to drop it off at the nearest psychiatric center so those whose walls are padded have something to read.

[Saint John]

Then again maybe he was cooking with jalapenos.....

Oh, that was so bad I embarrassed myself!

Not by any means. We've heard this whole "working on something" bit for how many years now?

[Rick]

I wonder if Randy got to hear the same demos that Lora and Cyndy heard?

I was able to find two of the demos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kd8xp86reY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbdP7sq0w8

You are horrible! I love it!

Ok, Ok...enough kidding around. Per Randy: "Steve's fine. I actually had lunch with him about a month ago. He's working on hot stuff, too."
Here's what Steve's really working on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-TM3q5-Cc

There is seriously something wrong with you dude.

[Matthew]

Then again maybe he was cooking with jalapenos.....

Oh, that was so bad I embarrassed myself!

Not by any means. We've heard this whole "working on something" bit for how many years now?

Er...Saint John...due to a tolerant employer...don't you spend most of your week on internet messageboards? Sounds to me like maybe you ought to crack on with some work yourself...

[Rick]

Then again maybe he was cooking with jalapenos.....

Oh, that was so bad I embarrassed myself!

Not by any means. We've heard this whole "working on something" bit for how many years now?

Er...Saint John...due to a tolerant employer...don't you spend most of your week on internet messageboards? Sounds to me like maybe you ought to crack on with some work yourself...

Busted!!!!!

[Saint John]

By the way, of course Randy Jackson is going to speak highly of Perry. If weren't for Perry firing Ross and hiring the black Michelin Man, Jackson would be weighing himself next to Peterbilts and Macks on the side of the road today. Besides, he's been assigned to Perry by Sony.

[mistiejourney]

By the way, of course Randy Jackson is going to speak highly of Perry. If weren't for Perry firing Ross and hiring the black Michelin Man, Jackson would be weighing himself next to Peterbilts and Macks on the side of the road today. Besides, he's been assigned to Perry by Sony.

Now, now...if he did NOT speak highly of Perry we'd be all up in his business about how he wouldn't know talent if it bit him in the butt.

The guy can't win for losing on this topic!

(And I like Randy - dawg and all! )

[scarygirl]

Here we go again. On with the Perry negation bullshit. He only had "five to eight good years." Some of you act like he's a two bit kareoke singer instead of STEVE FUCKING PERRY. I have an idea, let's let's play pretend, and have Journey rerecord every album that Steve ever sung starting with Infinity and let's see the non reaction that follows.

[Saint John]

Er...Saint John...due to a tolerant employer...don't you spend most of your week on internet messageboards? Sounds to me like maybe you ought to crack on with some work yourself...

Listen dude, my job gets done, and done well. What does it matter if I surf the net, read the bible, play pick up sticks with my butt cheeks, or staple my nuts to my desk, as long as my work gets done?

[mistiejourney]

Here we go again. On with the Perry negation bullshit. He only had "five to eight good years." Some of you act like he's a two bit kareoke singer instead of STEVE FUCKING PERRY. I have an idea, let's place lets pretend, and have Journey rerecord every album that Steve ever sung starting with Infinity and lets see the non reaction that follows.

Really, it's PERRY, folks! I don't care what range, what era, what scale, what note or what song....

I'd take Steve Perry over any other performer. Period.

[X factor]

It's proven through countless research studies that children exposed to the arts are better all around students. Arts develop the right side of the brain, the creative side. Not all kids are athletes, some of them are gifted in other ways and the arts offers them a chance to excel.

China and India are doing fine and kicking our ass. They don't waste time on stuff like this. I agree the research probably saids they're better students. But, that's because they are BAND GEEKS! Nerds, dorks, etc. that's why they are better all around students.

I'm sure he's just "taking the piss" as they say, but pardon me while I quote a noted source on Arts Education and shoot "St Tito's" argument back to the stone age from wence it came:

"The question is often asked as to why there are so many Asian musicians in American conservatories and orchestras. The explanation for the emergence of so much Asian talent is that in countries such as Korea, China, Taiwan and Japan all children are taught from the earliest grades to play an instrument, to draw and to sing. The issue of "talent" is set aside until later in schooling because it places too much emphasis on individual differences. It is assumed that all children can and should be taught to play, sing, dance, and draw to a high degree of proficiency just as Americans assume all children can be taught to read, write, and figure. Furthermore, proficiency in the arts in Asian culture is considered an important characteristic of an educated person. It is assumed that knowledge and ability in the arts is necessary to fully participate in one's culture.

This is in sharp contrast to the American experience where the arts are considered "nice" but not essential. If you ask American children at the age of five if they can dance, sing, and draw, they will reply enthusiastically "YES!" When asked the same question in middle school, they say "NO." These skills appear to be unlearned in American schools.

It is also well documented that the number of students who report participation in the arts drops from about fifty percent in first grade to below five percent in middle school, when, apparently, it is time to buckle down and study "real" subjects like math and science. Talent in America is not rare; it is un-nurtured and unidentified. How many songs remain unsung by American children because their society and their schools, unlike Asian society, separates the arts from other areas of human experience considered an essential element of a civilized culture. This is particularly ironic when one considers that it is often only through the artistic achievements of past cultures that we know what mattered to those who preceded us. "

So much for THAT theory....

[EightyRock]

By the way, of course Randy Jackson is going to speak highly of Perry. If weren't for Perry firing Ross and hiring the black Michelin Man, Jackson would be weighing himself next to Peterbilts and Macks on the side of the road today. Besides, he's been assigned to Perry by Sony.

Assigned to Perry by Sony, eh? Start rumors much, SJ?

[Don]

It's proven through countless research studies that children exposed to the arts are better all around students. Arts develop the right side of the brain, the creative side. Not all kids are athletes, some of them are gifted in other ways and the arts offers them a chance to excel.

China and India are doing fine and kicking our ass. They don't waste time on stuff like this. I agree the research probably saids they're better students. But, that's because they are BAND GEEKS! Nerds, dorks, etc. that's why they are better all around students.

I'm sure he's just "taking the piss" as they say, but pardon me while I quote a noted source on Arts Education and shoot "St Tito's" argument back to the stone age from wence it came:

"The question is often asked as to why there are so many Asian musicians in American conservatories and orchestras. The explanation for the emergence of so much Asian talent is that in countries such as Korea, China, Taiwan and Japan all children are taught from the earliest grades to play an instrument, to draw and to sing. The issue of "talent" is set aside until later in schooling because it places too much emphasis on individual differences. It is assumed that all children can and should be taught to play, sing, dance, and draw to a high degree of proficiency just as Americans assume all children can be taught to read, write, and figure. Furthermore, proficiency in the arts in Asian culture is considered an important characteristic of an educated person. It is assumed that knowledge and ability in the arts is necessary to fully participate in one's culture.

This is in sharp contrast to the American experience where the arts are considered "nice" but not essential. If you ask American children at the age of five if they can dance, sing, and draw, they will reply enthusiastically "YES!" When asked the same question in middle school, they say "NO." These skills appear to be unlearned in American schools.

It is also well documented that the number of students who report participation in the arts drops from about fifty percent in first grade to below five percent in middle school, when, apparently, it is time to buckle down and study "real" subjects like math and science. Talent in America is not rare; it is un-nurtured and unidentified. How many songs remain unsung by American children because their society and their schools, unlike Asian society, separates the arts from other areas of human experience considered an essential element of a civilized culture. This is particularly ironic when one considers that it is often only through the artistic achievements of past cultures that we know what mattered to those who preceded us. "

So much for THAT theory....

Very well said and in an elegant, non insulting manner.
That deserves a star

[squirt1]

Saint John- I'd actually like to see the last 2 feats. YOu guys are a special kind of crazy. I saw the Simon & Garfunfel Central Park c early 1980 on Network TV. 500,000 attended. They had been apart for awhile before that so it was huge. Spat or something. Have you ever seen a vid of Steve Walsh doing the keyboard handstand in the 80's? How about All I wanted LIVE ? Thanks!!

[Shadowsong]

By the way, of course Randy Jackson is going to speak highly of Perry. If weren't for Perry firing Ross and hiring the black Michelin Man, Jackson would be weighing himself next to Peterbilts and Macks on the side of the road today. Besides, he's been assigned to Perry by Sony.

Randy Jackson was well established without Steve Perry.
Probably more of a studio musician
In fact I think the association really didn't do much for Jackson
who really didn't fit the rock mold esp in pink spandex.
Still Perry once said they were not a fashion band...LOL

Randy if I recall worked with Steve behind the scenes on Street Talk


Seems to me that Steve hasn't had carte blanche with creativity.
I believe they have butted heads on at least "Against The Wall" which was shelfed

Steve has no ties with a label now
He's free to do what he wants or doesn't want to do.

Hot Stuff



I thought the same thing but
Jalapeno's are not that hot
Now Carribean Red Peppers are HOT

Hmmmmm
Wonder if that's better than George Carlin's STUFF...

Probably marketing popcorn with hot sauce now that Paul Newman is out of the market scene...

Unless of course he's writing with Paris Hilton on her next album

THat's Hot...

[walkslikealady]

It's proven through countless research studies that children exposed to the arts are better all around students. Arts develop the right side of the brain, the creative side. Not all kids are athletes, some of them are gifted in other ways and the arts offers them a chance to excel.

China and India are doing fine and kicking our ass. They don't waste time on stuff like this. I agree the research probably saids they're better students. But, that's because they are BAND GEEKS! Nerds, dorks, etc. that's why they are better all around students.

You don't see people in China or India smiling much either!!!

I'd rather have a good job that pay$ well then smiling like a goof playing guitar and being unemployed or underemployed. For the bashers, read as I rathered look like Cain (his money and never smile).

I'm curious...if you don't think music or arts are important, why are you here at a forum for a musical group?

[annie89509]

Then again maybe he was cooking with jalapenos.....

Oh, that was so bad I embarrassed myself!

Not by any means. We've heard this whole "working on something" bit for how many years now?

And, SJ, pray tell, who was the worst perpetrator of this bit for years? Look in the mirror, please.

[Saint John]

Then again maybe he was cooking with jalapenos.....

Oh, that was so bad I embarrassed myself!

Not by any means. We've heard this whole "working on something" bit for how many years now?

And, SJ, pray tell, who was the worst perpetrator of this bit for years? Look in the mirror, please.

Something I've not been shy about admitting, either.

[conversationpc]

what made him so fucked up also made him one of the most emotive and soulful singers the world has ever seen.

If Perry had been well-adjusted and contented and as well-behaved as a gold star-winning corporate employee...Journey would never have made it big, I reckon.

Mind if I matte and frame this quote?

SPOT ON!

This is the same kind of screwed-up thinking that some athletes fall into, i.e., the "you can't be a great player unless you've got an attitude or bad-guy image".