will perry return?

[Saint John]

Not in the same way Schlong and Fucka have ruined things as of late.

Their tour receipts this year will be the highest in over 20 years. They'll probably only trail The Eagles as far as bands in their peer group goes. Nothing is "ruined", Frank. Nothing.

I *do* hold perry accountable for certain things going wrong with Journey

I would fucking hope so. Like not touring from 1986 to 1998. Took a 10 year layoff and came back with the sole intention of destroying the Rolie/Chalfant lineup they had and canning the manager, thinking they'd never be able to recover. He was wrong.

but prior to 1996, Journey was held in high esteem out in rock lala land. Now they're a joke.

You and a few others are the only ones that think that. GQ, Rolling Stone, The New York Times and Jimmy Page think otherwise. Even fucking lesbos like Ellen dig them now.

they're giving away an album for little or no profit...who cares if it goes gold if you can't claim 20 bucks of profit from the sales? So really, this is an fraudulant success if you ask me.

Gotta call bullshit on this statement. This will be their most profitable album per unit sold ever!!! They're making $7 per package!!! Back in the day you were lucky if you saw a buck or two!!!

If you like what they're doing....fine. Enjoy it. But know that you're in that 3% tally...you really are. The rest of the world doesn't care unless Steve Perry is singing, irrespective of whether or not he can actually do the job. Perry doesn't want to return to something that's been pissed on as much as it has, irrespective of the amount of urine he contributed to the pile....that's really the main issue here.

3%??? Get real, dude. They used to tour, on average, to about 25,000 fans consistently night in and night out. They're now doing around 10-15 when they play outdoor amphitheatres, which, relative to the times, is pretty fucking awesome. You're making up numbers and trying to make them fit. Their tour receipts this summer will be HUGE. Yeah, they have 2 other bands, but they're the main draw. Shit, on the Generations tour they sold out Northerly Island in Chicago by themselves and it holds almost 8,000. This group is still a bigtime draw.

[bluejeangirl76]

but you're always late anyway.

Kiss my ass. I was late ONCE.
Who was there first on Sun.? Ummmmmmm... not you.

What's this got to do with Perry reuniting with Journey, anyway?

(because like me, he can't be arsed to show up either? )

[Rhiannon]

but you're always late anyway.

Kiss my ass. I was late ONCE.
Who was there first on Sun.? Ummmmmmm... not you.

What's this got to do with Perry reuniting with Journey, anyway?

(becasue like me, he can't be arsed to show up either? )

Don't post to me when I'm trying to walk out the door! Huss!
Ok, so you beat me to the movies... but I was still there 3 minutes early!

It's Perry's fault. That's whut.

[bluejeangirl76]

but you're always late anyway.

Kiss my ass. I was late ONCE.
Who was there first on Sun.? Ummmmmmm... not you.

What's this got to do with Perry reuniting with Journey, anyway?

(becasue like me, he can't be arsed to show up either? )

Don't post to me when I'm trying to walk out the door! Huss!


It's Perry's fault. That's whut.

Don't REPLY to me when you're trying to walk out the door, then! Dur.

And of course its Perry's fault. Everything is.
I ran out of half and half and didn't reailze til this morning. <-- PERRY'S FAULT!

[Don]

Not in the same way Schlong and Fucka have ruined things as of late.

Their tour receipts this year will be the highest in over 20 years. They'll probably only trail The Eagles as far as bands in their peer group goes. Nothing is "ruined", Frank. Nothing.

I *do* hold perry accountable for certain things going wrong with Journey

I would fucking hope so. Like not touring from 1986 to 1998. Took a 10 year layoff and came back with the sole intention of destroying the Rolie/Chalfant lineup they had and canning the manager, thinking they'd never be able to recover. He was wrong.

but prior to 1996, Journey was held in high esteem out in rock lala land. Now they're a joke.

You and a few others are the only ones that think that. GQ, Rolling Stone, The New York Times and Jimmy Page think otherwise. Even fucking lesbos like Ellen dig them now.

they're giving away an album for little or no profit...who cares if it goes gold if you can't claim 20 bucks of profit from the sales? So really, this is an fraudulant success if you ask me.

Gotta call bullshit on this statement. This will be their most profitable album per unit sold ever!!! They're making $7 per package!!! Back in the day you were lucky if you saw a buck or two!!!

If you like what they're doing....fine. Enjoy it. But know that you're in that 3% tally...you really are. The rest of the world doesn't care unless Steve Perry is singing, irrespective of whether or not he can actually do the job. Perry doesn't want to return to something that's been pissed on as much as it has, irrespective of the amount of urine he contributed to the pile....that's really the main issue here.

3%??? Get real, dude. They used to tour, on average, to about 25,000 fans consistently night in and night out. They're now doing around 10-15 when they play outdoor amphitheatres, which, relative to the times, is pretty fucking awesome. You're making up numbers and trying to make them fit. Their tour receipts this summer will be HUGE. Yeah, they have 2 other bands, but they're the main draw. Shit, on the Generations tour they sold out Northerly Island in Chicago by themselves and it holds almost 8,000. This group is still a bigtime draw.

With Sony not taking a cut out of the pie this has got be the most money they have seen in Eons. What will Perry get out of this, royalties for the re-records or anything else?

[Rhiannon]

Ok... I gotta stop for gas & smokes in DuPage... so... 8:30.

LEAVING NOW! ...PS, they still haven't boarded yet.

[Saint John]

With Sony not taking a cut out of the pie this has got be the most money they have seen in Eons. What will Perry get out of this, royalties for the re-records or anything else?

Perry will get paid on the old songs and all of the albums that he was on that Journey's new found interest has catapulted back on the charts...like GH going #1 in the "Catalog" category and Escape actually hitting the charts after a 27 year hiatus. But hey, Journey is irrelevant these days.

[bluejeangirl76]

Ok... I gotta stop for gas & smokes in DuPage... so... 8:30.

LEAVING NOW! ...PS, they still haven't boarded yet.

Steak N' Shake is open 24 hrs.

LEAVE already. Jesus H.

[venomnation]

CONGRATULATIONS!

You've just started the one millionth "Do You Think Steve Perry's Coming Back" thread.....I give it 20 posts...and it's dead...lol.

Oh and to answer your question...

"no".

be fair, im new,lol

I saw you were new! Welcome! This is one of the discussed-ad-nauseum topics on the board, but you wouldn't know that as a newbie. Don't be discouraged, hang around and you'll be one of the gang really quick!

Absolutely - and no intent whatsoever to discourage you. Welcome to the board....just some good natured humor...

[The_Noble_Cause]

You and a few others are the only ones that think that. GQ, Rolling Stone, The New York Times and Jimmy Page think otherwise. Even fucking lesbos like Ellen dig them now.

I thought Page just said 'Hi' to Neal.
Has he gone on record about the new lineup?

[donnaplease]

All this talk is a little silly. Steve Perry will never join Journey again. Is it good or bad? At this point, who cares...

What I have a problem with in reading this is some of the folks who were such SP fans just a few short months ago, who now seem to want to trash him for some inconceivable reason. St. John, of course I'm mainly talking about you here, but not only you. I recall many phone conversations and IMs when you were playing the 'loon' card magnificently. I don't understand what happened to change that? Were you sooo disappointed when you found out that he really didn't plan on re-joining? You were as excited at that prospect as I was, maybe even more so.

Steve Perry wanted Herbie, SS, and RV out. He got his way. He admitted it was a stupid decision. He left the ROR tour for reasons that we may or may not fully know. He helped to bring SS and RV back for TBF, and then circumstances prevented the band from capitalizing on the momentum of the album. OK, so maybe he was to blame for that. He certainly is NOT to blame for the cluster that has become of Journey in the past 2+ years.

I just don't get it. Stop wasting so much energy hating the man, though. It's not good for you, you're gonna develop an ulcer.

[Rick]

All this talk is a little silly. Steve Perry will never join Journey again. Is it good or bad? At this point, who cares...

What I have a problem with in reading this is some of the folks who were such SP fans just a few short months ago, who now seem to want to trash him for some inconceivable reason. St. John, of course I'm mainly talking about you here, but not only you. I recall many phone conversations and IMs when you were playing the 'loon' card magnificently. I don't understand what happened to change that? Were you sooo disappointed when you found out that he really didn't plan on re-joining? You were as excited at that prospect as I was, maybe even more so.

Steve Perry wanted Herbie, SS, and RV out. He got his way. He admitted it was a stupid decision. He left the ROR tour for reasons that we may or may not fully know. He helped to bring SS and RV back for TBF, and then circumstances prevented the band from capitalizing on the momentum of the album. OK, so maybe he was to blame for that. He certainly is NOT to blame for the cluster that has become of Journey in the past 2+ years.

I just don't get it. Stop wasting so much energy hating the man, though. It's not good for you, you're gonna develop an ulcer.

The same could be said about Journey. There are a lot of people that waste a lot of energy hating, bashing, trashing, badmouthing and any other manner of negativity that can be thought of. They're just doing the best they can with a very good singer. SP doesn't want the gig, so what do they do, shut down shop? Hell no, there's a lot of people that wait in line to see them at every show, why shut that down? If they enjoy doing it and make some good money at the same time, I say more power to them. Perry gets paid too. Nobody loses.

[Don]

All this talk is a little silly. Steve Perry will never join Journey again. Is it good or bad? At this point, who cares...

What I have a problem with in reading this is some of the folks who were such SP fans just a few short months ago, who now seem to want to trash him for some inconceivable reason. St. John, of course I'm mainly talking about you here, but not only you. I recall many phone conversations and IMs when you were playing the 'loon' card magnificently. I don't understand what happened to change that? Were you sooo disappointed when you found out that he really didn't plan on re-joining? You were as excited at that prospect as I was, maybe even more so.

Steve Perry wanted Herbie, SS, and RV out. He got his way. He admitted it was a stupid decision. He left the ROR tour for reasons that we may or may not fully know. He helped to bring SS and RV back for TBF, and then circumstances prevented the band from capitalizing on the momentum of the album. OK, so maybe he was to blame for that. He certainly is NOT to blame for the cluster that has become of Journey in the past 2+ years.

I just don't get it. Stop wasting so much energy hating the man, though. It's not good for you, you're gonna develop an ulcer.

The same could be said about Journey. There are a lot of people that waste a lot of energy hating, bashing, trashing, badmouthing and any other manner of negativity that can be thought of. They're just doing the best they can with a very good singer. SP doesn't want the gig, so what do they do, shut down shop? Hell no, there's a lot of people that wait in line to see them at every show, why shut that down? If they enjoy doing it and make some good money at the same time, I say more power to them. Perry gets paid too. Nobody loses.

Rick, they should give you a big hammer. Then when the intefadah starts up again in here (and we all know it will) you can crack some skulls

[stevew2]

anyone think perry will ever return? i mean, Roth done it as well as loads of other singers

From where???

[musicfan17]

c'mon, everyone would want to see perry rejoin journey! but would it be the same? probably not.

Ummm. NO! Not everyone wants to see SP rejoin Journey...probably not the majority of us. And NO...it wouldn't be the same. These days...I'd take Arnel over SP any freakin' day. SP era of Journey is over. Thankfully.

I like the new/current Journey just fine thank you.

[bluejeangirl76]

c'mon, everyone would want to see perry rejoin journey! but would it be the same? probably not.

Ummm. NO! Not everyone wants to see SP rejoin Journey...probably not the majority of us. And NO...it wouldn't be the same. These days...I'd take Arnel over SP any freakin' day. SP era of Journey is over. Thankfully.

I like the new/current Journey just fine thank you.

Hi Neal!

[Irwin M Fletcher]

c'mon, everyone would want to see perry rejoin journey! but would it be the same? probably not.

Ummm. NO! Not everyone wants to see SP rejoin Journey...probably not the majority of us. And NO...it wouldn't be the same. These days...I'd take Arnel over SP any freakin' day. SP era of Journey is over. Thankfully.

I like the new/current Journey just fine thank you.

fair enough my friend but i disagree with u, i think most wud love 2 c perry rejoin journey even if they dont admit it

[Irwin M Fletcher]

c'mon, everyone would want to see perry rejoin journey! but would it be the same? probably not.

Ummm. NO! Not everyone wants to see SP rejoin Journey...probably not the majority of us. And NO...it wouldn't be the same. These days...I'd take Arnel over SP any freakin' day. SP era of Journey is over. Thankfully.

I like the new/current Journey just fine thank you.

Hi Neal!

i think neal schon is on this board,lol. and frankie sullivan is circulating the survivor board

[Saint John]

I recall many phone conversations and IMs when you were playing the 'loon' card magnificently. I don't understand what happened to change that?

I would still be excited if he were to change his mind. I've just changed my mind about Steve Perry the person.

Were you sooo disappointed when you found out that he really didn't plan on re-joining? You were as excited at that prospect as I was, maybe even more so.

And in all honesty, probably would be again! But as far as meeting him goes, I'd probably rather meet The Green River Killer.

He helped to bring SS and RV back for TBF, and then circumstances prevented the band from capitalizing on the momentum of the album.

Some of us find the "circumstances" to be nothing more than a pre-planned plot to bury the band and its manager once and for all.

OK, so maybe he was to blame for that. He certainly is NOT to blame for the cluster that has become of Journey in the past 2+ years.

Only a small minority of cult-like fools feel Journey is in bad shape. Tour receipts and album sales show us they're actually in the best shape they've been in in over 20 years!!!

Stop wasting so much energy hating the man, though.

I don't hate Steve Perry one iota. Not one. I find him to be a decent human being that I admitedlly know very little about other than what I can deduce from interviews, stories, etc.

[jrnyjetster]

Perry gets paid too. Nobody loses.

Perry no longer gets a cut of the tour proceeds from what I've read. That has now supposedly expired. If you think about it, this is probably why they were allowed to release a disc of re-records w/Revelation, as Perry no longer has a say in the matter.

[wednesday's child]

Steak N' Shake is open 24 hrs.

Cripes... a few years ago, I ate at an S&S out in Orland(?), Illinois.
I miss the Steakburger terribly....

[EightyRock]

c'mon, everyone would want to see perry rejoin journey! but would it be the same? probably not.

Ummm. NO! Not everyone wants to see SP rejoin Journey...probably not the majority of us. And NO...it wouldn't be the same. These days...I'd take Arnel over SP any freakin' day. SP era of Journey is over. Thankfully.

I like the new/current Journey just fine thank you.

Hi Neal!

No, that would be Cain. His dominance over Schon would be severely threatened if Perry decided to rejoin. Cain likes being the Little King, even though he has Schon thinking HE"S it.

[EightyRock]

I find him to be a decent human being that I admitedlly know very little about other than what I can deduce from interviews, stories, etc.

Then I don't get why you expend so much energy dismissing his contributions to the band and attacking him almost every post. You're startin' to look more looney than "the Loons"! Just enjoy what you enjoy about yet another Journey line-up and let you Perry-angst go.

[Red13JoePa]

Give us a break.
perry endures approximately 1/100th of the bashing online that the band does.

Rhainnon raised a fair point one time. Why is it with "Frig and 'Fro" gay, midget, alimony, 3rd world singer, and any other kind of jokes are cracked here every 4.3 minutes the whole board laughs in unison?

but perry gets picked on for behaving like a sabatuer in the band or someone says they didn't see the magic in the lineup prior to this one and out comes a lynch mob going "Why are ALWAYS bashing perry/JSS, god get OVER IT!!!!"

[wednesday's child]

Give us a break.
Rhainnon raised a fair point one time. Why is it with "Frig and 'Fro" gay, midget, alimony, 3rd world singer, and any other kind of jokes are cracked here every 4.3 minutes the whole board laughs in unison?

but perry gets picked on for behaving like a saboteur in the band or someone says they didn't see the magic in the lineup prior to this one and out comes a lynch mob going "Why are ALWAYS bashing perry/JSS, god get OVER IT!!!!"

Very good question, actually.
Cuts to the very heart of things:
For far too many, Perry WAS Journey.
All other band members were just props/decor;
to which, I'm like... mmmm, okay.....

-wech

[Rhiannon]

Give us a break.
perry endures approximately 1/100th of the bashing online that the band does.

Rhainnon raised a fair point one time. Why is it with "Frig and 'Fro" gay, midget, alimony, 3rd world singer, and any other kind of jokes are cracked here every 4.3 minutes the whole board laughs in unison?

but perry gets picked on for behaving like a sabatuer in the band or someone says they didn't see the magic in the lineup prior to this one and out comes a lynch mob going "Why are ALWAYS bashing perry/JSS, god get OVER IT!!!!"

YEP. Rhiannon has an excellent point.

[Saint John]

I find him to be a decent human being that I admitedlly know very little about other than what I can deduce from interviews, stories, etc.

Then I don't get why you expend so much energy dismissing his contributions to the band and attacking him almost every post. You're startin' to look more looney than "the Loons"! Just enjoy what you enjoy about yet another Journey line-up and let you Perry-angst go.

I don't expend any energy on him. None...zero. And I have never "dismissed his contributions to the band." Not ever. It's what he did when he wasn't actively in the band (you know, the one he never felt like a part of. ) that is worth discussing. Namely, almost destroying it.

And why does something as trivial as the number of the incarnation deem it any less valid? Suppose Perry were to have never joined the band, was 25 years younger and we were introduced to Steve Perry today? And don't start on the "they wouldn't even be around now" shit, either. All of these people that were on the fucking Baritone Boat last year didn't have a problem with lipping, lying and firing Augeri, but suddenly they care that Soto wasn't given a farewell party at Six Flags??? How fucking utterly ridiculous. They're simply pissed for themselves...their all access badges, sound check bootleg bragging, folk lore basement parties came to an end. The anger is over what was taken from them, not Soto.

[EightyRock]

[quote="Red13JoePa"]Give us a break.
perry endures approximately 1/100th of the bashing online that the band does.

LOL That's because Perry didn't take the band's legacy and drag it through the fairgrounds of the US, then top it off by scamming fans into believing their frontman was actually singing at the concerts we were paying to see, LIVE. Perry never made me embarrassed to be a Journey fan.
Then, instead of Journey trying to atone for their sins against the fans, they hire, then fire, Soto, who did NOTHING but help them out of their mess. So, if Journey gets skewered, they have deserved it.

[brywool]

with arnel and journey we have seen a hot album that has hovered around the top ten and sold pretty well so far and with the band enjoying some rise in popularity and a rebirth with a new singer the public seems to like and a tour thats doing pretty well so the answer at this point would be very doubtful.

As much as I have always loved Perry's voice, I hope he doesn't return to Journey and I'm pretty confident that he won't. I'm on the Arnel bandwagon at this point and can't wait to hear what the guy does next. I think he's a helluva singer. If Perry ever releases anything (Unless it's remasters or something) I'll buy it. In the meantime, I love the direction Journey's in now and could care less if Perry ever does anything again.

[EightyRock]

[quote="Saint John"] Namely, almost destroying it.

How can you destroy something that you almost single-handedly built? He had already brought "all the success" to the band (as NEAL himself said), so how could dropping out AFTER they had already peaked destroy anything? If that were possible, then the GH they are mandated to play on tour today and the required re-records would not be part of this discussion. The only thing that Perry firing Herbie, Ross, Smitty for ROR, or failing to get surgery on the band's timeframe during TBF did was POSSIBLY keep them from the RR Hall of Fame. That's pretty meaningless anyway, considering some of those already inducted. Mostly, it just pissed off a handful of fans. In the grand scheme, it did not "destroy" jack, or they wouldn't be touring and re-recording the Perry era materialnearly 30 years later.

"And why does something as trivial as the number of the incarnation deem it any less valid?"

Because they continue to use the same business model, re-recording the GH and touring them ALMOST exclusively. We'll see how many Revelation tunes are played in the US tour after the first month or so.

"All of these people that were on the fucking Baritone Boat last year didn't have a problem with lipping, lying and firing Augeri, but suddenly they care that Soto wasn't given a farewell party at Six Flags??? They're simply pissed for themselves...their all access badges, sound check bootleg bragging, folk lore basement parties came to an end. The anger is over what was taken from [b]them."

Fair enough, maybe some of them felt that way. I wasn't one who wanted anything from the band except a departure from the legacy train and lipping. Soto seemed like the guy to move them away from all that. Now we are back to the legacy train, even AFTER the disaster with Augeri. I'm not feeling a newer, fresher Journey. I'm feeling SSDD.