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Postby finalfight » Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:58 pm

artist4perry wrote:It is one of those things. I know what you are saying. Kind of why it pisses me off that a guy can wipe crap on a board and call it art-no lie- makes millions of bucks because he looks a part and tells a BS story. Then there are folks like me, just trying to get their work out. I spend over 50 hours per drawing, and this shmuck gets the limelight. Just isn't right.


That enrages me too, my comment in another thread about someone winning an award for switching on a light was unfortunately true.

Art4Perry do you have a website? I want to bookmark it in the event that you decide to do something more drastic to get attention from the art world! As you said sh!t sells! :lol:
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Postby artist4perry » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:33 am

finalfight wrote:
artist4perry wrote:It is one of those things. I know what you are saying. Kind of why it pisses me off that a guy can wipe crap on a board and call it art-no lie- makes millions of bucks because he looks a part and tells a BS story. Then there are folks like me, just trying to get their work out. I spend over 50 hours per drawing, and this shmuck gets the limelight. Just isn't right.


That enrages me too, my comment in another thread about someone winning an award for switching on a light was unfortunately true.

Art4Perry do you have a website? I want to bookmark it in the event that you decide to do something more drastic to get attention from the art world! As you said sh!t sells! :lol:


http://artist4perry.deviantart.com/gallery/

I don't make crap and sell it! :wink:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:36 am

finalfight wrote:
artist4perry wrote:It is one of those things. I know what you are saying. Kind of why it pisses me off that a guy can wipe crap on a board and call it art-no lie- makes millions of bucks because he looks a part and tells a BS story. Then there are folks like me, just trying to get their work out. I spend over 50 hours per drawing, and this shmuck gets the limelight. Just isn't right.


That enrages me too, my comment in another thread about someone winning an award for switching on a light was unfortunately true.

Art4Perry do you have a website? I want to bookmark it in the event that you decide to do something more drastic to get attention from the art world! As you said sh!t sells! :lol:


Hey Hellboy, you're back...GOOOOOD!!!! Need some life around here!!! :evil: :wink:
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Postby finalfight » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:42 am

artist4perry wrote:
finalfight wrote:
artist4perry wrote:It is one of those things. I know what you are saying. Kind of why it pisses me off that a guy can wipe crap on a board and call it art-no lie- makes millions of bucks because he looks a part and tells a BS story. Then there are folks like me, just trying to get their work out. I spend over 50 hours per drawing, and this shmuck gets the limelight. Just isn't right.


That enrages me too, my comment in another thread about someone winning an award for switching on a light was unfortunately true.

Art4Perry do you have a website? I want to bookmark it in the event that you decide to do something more drastic to get attention from the art world! As you said sh!t sells! :lol:


http://artist4perry.deviantart.com/gallery/

I don't make crap and sell it! :wink:


I really like 'The Feast'. Have you considered illustrating childrens books?
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Postby Don » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:47 am

finalfight wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
finalfight wrote:
artist4perry wrote:It is one of those things. I know what you are saying. Kind of why it pisses me off that a guy can wipe crap on a board and call it art-no lie- makes millions of bucks because he looks a part and tells a BS story. Then there are folks like me, just trying to get their work out. I spend over 50 hours per drawing, and this shmuck gets the limelight. Just isn't right.


That enrages me too, my comment in another thread about someone winning an award for switching on a light was unfortunately true.

Art4Perry do you have a website? I want to bookmark it in the event that you decide to do something more drastic to get attention from the art world! As you said sh!t sells! :lol:


http://artist4perry.deviantart.com/gallery/

I don't make crap and sell it! :wink:


I really like 'The Feast'. Have you considered illustrating childrens books?


How was the movie? I heard it rocked but haven't seen it yet. I'll be looking out for the Blueray edition if it's any good.
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Postby finalfight » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:04 am

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finalfight wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
finalfight wrote:
artist4perry wrote:It is one of those things. I know what you are saying. Kind of why it pisses me off that a guy can wipe crap on a board and call it art-no lie- makes millions of bucks because he looks a part and tells a BS story. Then there are folks like me, just trying to get their work out. I spend over 50 hours per drawing, and this shmuck gets the limelight. Just isn't right.


That enrages me too, my comment in another thread about someone winning an award for switching on a light was unfortunately true.

Art4Perry do you have a website? I want to bookmark it in the event that you decide to do something more drastic to get attention from the art world! As you said sh!t sells! :lol:


http://artist4perry.deviantart.com/gallery/

I don't make crap and sell it! :wink:


I really like 'The Feast'. Have you considered illustrating childrens books?


How was the movie? I heard it rocked but haven't seen it yet. I'll be looking out for the Blueray edition if it's any good.


It was really good. Very imaginative in it's design work and bigger in scope than I expected. I also liked the characterizations and the way the team members played off each other. It will look absolutely gorgeous on Blu-Ray.
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Postby Barb » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:30 am

Looks like some of those "women" gymnasts are way under the age of 16. Shocker.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080814/ap_ ... ge_chinese

BEIJING - Just nine months before the Beijing Olympics, the Chinese government's news agency, Xinhua, reported that gymnast He Kexin was 13, which would have made her ineligible to be on the team that won a gold medal this week.

In its report Nov. 3, Xinhua identified He as one of "10 big new stars" who made a splash at China's Cities Games. It gave her age as 13 and reported that she beat Yang Yilin on the uneven bars at those games. In the final, "this little girl" pulled off a difficult release move on the bars known as the Li Na, named for another Chinese gymnast, Xinhua said in the report, which appeared on one of its Web sites, http://www.hb.xinhuanet.com

The Associated Press found the Xinhua report on the site Thursday morning and saved a copy of the page. Later that afternoon, the Web site was still working but the page was no longer accessible. Sports editors at the state-run news agency would not comment for publication.

If the age reported by Xinhua was correct, that would have meant He was too young to be on the Chinese team that beat the United States on Wednesday and clinched China's first women's team Olympic gold in gymnastics. He is also a favorite for gold in Monday's uneven bars final.

Yang was also on Wednesday's winning team. Questions have also been raised about her age and that of a third team member, Jiang Yuyuan.

Gymnasts have to be 16 during the Olympic year to be eligible for the games. He's birthday is listed as Jan. 1, 1992.

Chinese authorities insist that all three are old enough to compete. He herself told reporters after Wednesday's final that "my real age is 16. I don't pay any attention to what everyone says."

Zhang Hongliang, an official with China's gymnastics delegation at the games, said Thursday the differing ages which have appeared in Chinese media reports had not been checked in advance with the gymnastics federation.

"It's definitely a mistake," Zhang said of the Xinhua report, speaking in a telephone interview. "Never has any media outlet called me to check the athletes' ages."

Asked whether the federation had changed their ages to make them eligible, Zhang said: "We are a sports department. How would we have the ability to do that?"

"We already explained this very clearly. There's no need to discuss this thing again."

The International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) has said repeatedly that a passport is the "accepted proof of a gymnast's eligibility," and that He and China's other gymnasts have presented ones that show they are age eligible. The IOC also checked the girls' passports and deemed them valid.

A May 23 story in the China Daily newspaper, the official English-language paper of the Chinese government, said He was 14. The story was later corrected to list her as 16.

"This is not a USAG issue," said Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics. "The FIG and the IOC are the proper bodies to handle this."
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:45 am

Don't the competitors in any category have to provide proof of age? :?:
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Postby Barb » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:51 am

Michigan Girl wrote:Don't the competitors in any category have to provide proof of age? :?:


Their passports all say they are 16.
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Postby artist4perry » Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:52 am

finalfight wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
finalfight wrote:
artist4perry wrote:It is one of those things. I know what you are saying. Kind of why it pisses me off that a guy can wipe crap on a board and call it art-no lie- makes millions of bucks because he looks a part and tells a BS story. Then there are folks like me, just trying to get their work out. I spend over 50 hours per drawing, and this shmuck gets the limelight. Just isn't right.


That enrages me too, my comment in another thread about someone winning an award for switching on a light was unfortunately true.

Art4Perry do you have a website? I want to bookmark it in the event that you decide to do something more drastic to get attention from the art world! As you said sh!t sells! :lol:


http://artist4perry.deviantart.com/gallery/

I don't make crap and sell it! :wink:


I really like 'The Feast'. Have you considered illustrating childrens books?


That is what I am shooting for. Granted I am just getting started. Either that or animation. I have a vivid imagination, and I raised two children. I love to make up stories myself, but their is an overglut of writers out there. I would prefer someone telling me their tale, and I would draw it up for them.
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:06 am

Looks like someone's finally gonna do something about this. :D

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 583174.ece

August 21, 2008

International Olympic Committee launches probe into He Kexin's age
(Hans Deryk )
He Kexin after winning gold: the US team has cried foul over her age

Tim Reid in Washington, Jeremy Griffin and Jane Macartney in Beijing
The International Olympic Committee has ordered an investigation into mounting allegations that Chinese authorities covered up the true age of their gold-medal winning gymnastics star because she was too young to compete.

An IOC official told The Times that because of "discrepancies" that have come to light about the age of He Kexin, the host nation’s darling who won gold in both team and individual events, an official inquiry has been launched that could result in the gymnast being stripped of her medals.

The investigation was triggered as a US computer expert claimed today to have uncovered Chinese government documents that he says prove she is only 14 - making her ineligible to compete in the Olympics - rather than 16, as officials in Beijing insist is her age.

Mike Walker, a computer security expert, told The Times how he tracked down two documents that he says had been removed from a Chinese government website. The documents, he said, stated that He’s birth date was January 1 1994 - making her 14 - and not January 1 1992, which is printed in her passport.


He’s true age has been a subject of swirling controversy since the Games began. Questions over her eligibility intensified after she edged out the US gymnast Nastia Liukin for the gold medal in the uneven bars on Monday, and was part of the team gold triumph last week. She also edged Britain’s Beth Tweddle out of the medals.
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Postby Barb » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:39 am

RedWingFan wrote:Looks like someone's finally gonna do something about this. :D

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 583174.ece

August 21, 2008

International Olympic Committee launches probe into He Kexin's age
(Hans Deryk )
He Kexin after winning gold: the US team has cried foul over her age

Tim Reid in Washington, Jeremy Griffin and Jane Macartney in Beijing
The International Olympic Committee has ordered an investigation into mounting allegations that Chinese authorities covered up the true age of their gold-medal winning gymnastics star because she was too young to compete.

An IOC official told The Times that because of "discrepancies" that have come to light about the age of He Kexin, the host nation’s darling who won gold in both team and individual events, an official inquiry has been launched that could result in the gymnast being stripped of her medals.

The investigation was triggered as a US computer expert claimed today to have uncovered Chinese government documents that he says prove she is only 14 - making her ineligible to compete in the Olympics - rather than 16, as officials in Beijing insist is her age.

Mike Walker, a computer security expert, told The Times how he tracked down two documents that he says had been removed from a Chinese government website. The documents, he said, stated that He’s birth date was January 1 1994 - making her 14 - and not January 1 1992, which is printed in her passport.


He’s true age has been a subject of swirling controversy since the Games began. Questions over her eligibility intensified after she edged out the US gymnast Nastia Liukin for the gold medal in the uneven bars on Monday, and was part of the team gold triumph last week. She also edged Britain’s Beth Tweddle out of the medals.



Good. Nastia Liukin was totally robbed of a gold medal to that 14 year old. :x
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Postby Sarah » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:35 pm

I'm not concerned about the age thing, but China did get some ridiculous scores in gymnastics. Case in point: the vault... China's gymnast FELL and still got bronze, while Sacramone did a fine job and didn't even medal. Totally lame.
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Postby finalfight » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:36 pm

Barb wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Looks like someone's finally gonna do something about this. :D

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 583174.ece

August 21, 2008

International Olympic Committee launches probe into He Kexin's age
(Hans Deryk )
He Kexin after winning gold: the US team has cried foul over her age

Tim Reid in Washington, Jeremy Griffin and Jane Macartney in Beijing
The International Olympic Committee has ordered an investigation into mounting allegations that Chinese authorities covered up the true age of their gold-medal winning gymnastics star because she was too young to compete.

An IOC official told The Times that because of "discrepancies" that have come to light about the age of He Kexin, the host nation’s darling who won gold in both team and individual events, an official inquiry has been launched that could result in the gymnast being stripped of her medals.

The investigation was triggered as a US computer expert claimed today to have uncovered Chinese government documents that he says prove she is only 14 - making her ineligible to compete in the Olympics - rather than 16, as officials in Beijing insist is her age.

Mike Walker, a computer security expert, told The Times how he tracked down two documents that he says had been removed from a Chinese government website. The documents, he said, stated that He’s birth date was January 1 1994 - making her 14 - and not January 1 1992, which is printed in her passport.


He’s true age has been a subject of swirling controversy since the Games began. Questions over her eligibility intensified after she edged out the US gymnast Nastia Liukin for the gold medal in the uneven bars on Monday, and was part of the team gold triumph last week. She also edged Britain’s Beth Tweddle out of the medals.



Good. Nastia Liukin was totally robbed of a gold medal to that 14 year old. :x


Regardless of age Liukin definitely performed better and the spectators knew it. Let's hope this gets resolved quickly and that it doesn't turn out that more of the outcomes were as scripted as WWE Raw!

Incidentally what the hell is up with that 14 year old's face? It looks stretched and somewhat odd! I hope she wasn't 'artificially aged'! :shock:
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Postby stevew2 » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:10 pm

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Apparently the need to impress overrides all

BEIJING, China (AP) -- A 7-year-old Chinese girl was not good-looking enough for the Olympics opening ceremony, so another little girl with a pixie smile lip-synched "Ode to the Motherland," a ceremony official said.


9-year-old Lin Miaoke had the 'cute' face that Olympic organizers wanted for the opening ceremony.

A member of China's ruling Politburo asked for the last-minute change to match one girl's face with another's voice, the ceremony's chief music director, Chen Qigang, said in an interview with Beijing Radio.

"The audience will understand that it's in the national interest," Chen said in a video of the interview posted online Sunday night.

The news follows reports that some footage of the fireworks exploding across China's capital during the ceremony was digitally inserted into television coverage, apparently over concerns that not all of the 29 blasts could be captured on camera.

China has been eager to present a flawless Olympics image to the world, shooing migrant workers and so-called petitioners who come to the central government with grievances from the city and shutting down any sign of protest.

The country's quest for perfection apparently includes its children.

Lin Miaoke's performance Friday night, like the ceremony itself, was an immediate hit. "Nine-year-old Lin Miaoke becomes instant star with patriotic song," the China Daily newspaper headline said Tuesday.

But the real voice behind the tiny, pigtailed girl in the red dress who wowed 91,000 spectators at the National Stadium on opening night really belonged to 7-year-old Yang Peiyi. Her looks apparently failed the cuteness test with officials organizing the ceremony, but Chen said her voice was judged the most beautiful.

"The national interest requires that the girl should have good looks and a good grasp of the song and look good on screen," Chen said. "Lin Miaoke was the best in this. And Yang Peiyi's voice was the most outstanding."

During a live rehearsal soon before the ceremony, the Politburo member said Miaoke's voice "must change," Chen said in the radio interview. He didn't name the official.

So Peiyi's voice was matched with Miaoke's face.

"We had to make that choice. It was fair both for Lin Miaoke and Yang Peiyi," Chen told Beijing Radio. "We combined the perfect voice and the perfect performance."

Chen couldn't be reached for comment Tuesday.

A photo of Peiyi posted Tuesday on popular Web site Sina.com shows a smiling girl with bangs and crooked teeth. A China News Service story posted with the photo says a China Central Television reporter asked Peiyi whether she felt regret over the opening ceremony.

Peiyi responded that just having her voice used for the opening ceremony was an honor.

Whether the move was unethical, or unfair to both girls, has become a hot topic among Chinese and is racing across the country's blogosphere.

"The organizers really messed up on this one," said Luo Shaoyang, 34, a retail worker in Beijing.

"This is like a voice-over for a cartoon character," Luo said. "Why couldn't they pick a kid who is both cute and a good singer? This damages the reputation of both kids for their future, especially the one lip-synching. Now everyone knows she's a fraud. Who cares if she's cute?"

Zhang Xinyi, 22, who works in marketing in Beijing, disagreed.

"I can understand why they picked the prettier girl. They need to maintain a certain aesthetic beauty during the opening ceremonies. This situation is not so bad, especially since it gives two people an opportunity to shine rather than just one."

Peiyi is a first-grader at the Primary School affiliated to Peking University. Her tutor, Wang Liping, wrote in her blog that Peiyi is both cute and well-behaved, with a love for Peking opera.

"She doesn't like to show off. She's easygoing," Wang wrote. She and other school officials couldn't be reached Tuesday.

Miaoke, however, was a minor celebrity even before the opening ceremony. The third-grader appeared in a television ad last year with China's biggest gold medal hope, hurdling champion Liu Xiang, and she was in an Olympics ad just before Chinese New Year, China Daily reported.

Miaoke has her own blog, and one of the latest photos posted since the ceremony shows her looking up nervously at the ceremony's director, film director Zhang Yimou. "Giving the child encouragement," the caption says.

Her father, Lin Hui, told China Daily he learned Miaoke would be "singing" only 15 minutes before the opening ceremony began. The newspaper wrote Lin "still cannot believe his daughter has become an international singing sensation."

It was the second straight Olympics where the opening ceremony involved lip-synching.

Luciano Pavarotti's performance at the 2006 Winter Games in Turin was prerecorded. The maestro who conducted the aria, Leone Magiera, said earlier this year that the bitter cold made a live performance impossible for Pavarotti, who was in severe pain months before his cancer diagnosis. Pavarotti died in September 2007 at age 71


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