OT- Palin to be a grandma

[scarygirl]

Either way if the chance of pregnancy is there, which it would be if it were unprotected sex whether it was consentual or not, the actual process of how using birth control pills as a way to interrupt the hormone process would still be the same. And yes within 24-48 hours (which yes I do know is not time for a fully formed baby, babies are my specialty ). I asked my husband if these pills are offered to rape victims, since he's worked plenty of rape cases unfortunately, but he doesn't know, he only deals with the forensics.

I used to work as a RC volunteer. It is supposed to be offered, but sometimes due to politics and forced morality it is not, and that's a shame. They're supposed to give it right then and there so the victim doesn't have to go to the pharmacy which may or may not be open, which may or may not offer, and in some cases flat out refuses. No rape victim should have to go through that hassle and all the questions it poses.

Note, I said it is offered, not forced.

[bluejeangirl76]

Either way if the chance of pregnancy is there, which it would be if it were unprotected sex whether it was consentual or not, the actual process of how using birth control pills as a way to interrupt the hormone process would still be the same. And yes within 24-48 hours (which yes I do know is not time for a fully formed baby, babies are my specialty ). I asked my husband if these pills are offered to rape victims, since he's worked plenty of rape cases unfortunately, but he doesn't know, he only deals with the forensics.

I'm sure it varies state to state, Mel, even clinic to clinic... in any case, same pill, different doses, different moral argument as to the acceptibility of the method based on when and how its taken. But that's a whole separate and unique matter from the basic discussion here of birth control pills, condoms, et al and how they relate to teenage sex, sex education, etc.

Why this whole thing about her granddaughter is a big deal, I don't know. Its a private family matter. These thing happen, and no family is immune from this kind of stuff. The talk about whether she should or would step down is ridiculous. If that were the case, every politician would have to step down due to (insert family secret here).

[Melissa]

Either way if the chance of pregnancy is there, which it would be if it were unprotected sex whether it was consentual or not, the actual process of how using birth control pills as a way to interrupt the hormone process would still be the same. And yes within 24-48 hours (which yes I do know is not time for a fully formed baby, babies are my specialty ). I asked my husband if these pills are offered to rape victims, since he's worked plenty of rape cases unfortunately, but he doesn't know, he only deals with the forensics.

I used to work as a RC volunteer. It is supposed to be offered, but sometimes due to politics and forced morality it is not, and that's a shame. They're supposed to give it right then and there so the victim doesn't have to go to the pharmacy which may or may not be open, which may or may not offer, and in some cases flat out refuses. No rape victim should have to go through that hassle and all the questions it poses.

Note, I said it is offered, not forced.

That is a shame. Also unfortunately, as I'm sure you know from volunteering there, not all victims will report it within that 24-48 hours also, sadly.

[scarygirl]

Either way if the chance of pregnancy is there, which it would be if it were unprotected sex whether it was consentual or not, the actual process of how using birth control pills as a way to interrupt the hormone process would still be the same. And yes within 24-48 hours (which yes I do know is not time for a fully formed baby, babies are my specialty ). I asked my husband if these pills are offered to rape victims, since he's worked plenty of rape cases unfortunately, but he doesn't know, he only deals with the forensics.

I'm sure it varies state to state, Mel, even clinic to clinic... in any case, same pill, different doses, different moral argument as to the acceptibility of the method based on when and how its taken. But that's a whole separate and unique matter from the basic discussion here of birth control pills, condoms, et al and how they relate to teenage sex, sex education, etc.

Why this whole thing about her granddaughter is a big deal, I don't know. Its a private family matter. These thing happen, and no family is immune from this kind of stuff. The talk about whether she should or would step down is ridiculous. If that were the case, every politician would have to step down due to (insert family secret here).

Morning after pills are a form of BC therefore it is relavent to the discussion.

[scarygirl]

Either way if the chance of pregnancy is there, which it would be if it were unprotected sex whether it was consentual or not, the actual process of how using birth control pills as a way to interrupt the hormone process would still be the same. And yes within 24-48 hours (which yes I do know is not time for a fully formed baby, babies are my specialty ). I asked my husband if these pills are offered to rape victims, since he's worked plenty of rape cases unfortunately, but he doesn't know, he only deals with the forensics.

I used to work as a RC volunteer. It is supposed to be offered, but sometimes due to politics and forced morality it is not, and that's a shame. They're supposed to give it right then and there so the victim doesn't have to go to the pharmacy which may or may not be open, which may or may not offer, and in some cases flat out refuses. No rape victim should have to go through that hassle and all the questions it poses.

Note, I said it is offered, not forced.

That is a shame. Also unfortunately, as I'm sure you know from volunteering there, not all victims will report it within that 24-48 hours also, sadly.

This much is true, but those that do the option should be offered.

[artist4perry]

Ok, I have to go my grandson just peed on the neighbors, tree damn.

If "tree damn" is a new curse word, your grandson is in huge trouble.

I'm back.Damn tree needed water anyway

Turns them a nice shade of brown!

[artist4perry]

I believe the pill is close to 99 percent when taken as directed. There are certain medications like antibiotics that decrease the pill's effectiveness. In those situations they suggest that you use a secondary form of BC like a condom.

I was married at the time, but my oldest was born "on the pill". Be careful, one should not play if one cannot pay. I understand the temptations of being young. They think they are invinsible. It will never happen to me. My heart goes out to them. But it can backfire. It is a choice that effects more than just yourself. And no, Mom is not to blame. It is an unfortunate thing that happens to alot of young people. Marrying is not the answer, as a matter of fact they are too young. But I feel the baby will be loved anyway. My best friend raised her daughter, was it hard for her? YES! But everytime I see her beautiful daughter, I am glad for the choices she made. I am not telling anyone else how to live their life so don't start yelling at me! LOL! I am just saying, it happens, and it is not always disasterous. This is just a family matter, and should be handled that way, by their family.

[bluejeangirl76]

This is just a family matter, and should be handled that way, by their family.

Bravo, artist. 100% true.
Its no one's place to judge and it is a family matter.
Not my family, not my business.

[conversationpc]

Here's what Dick Morris has to say regarding Palin (I typically find that I don't agree with him, but I do on this...)

Understand: Palin is under attack because she was such a good choice.

Remember the Democrats' central charge on McCain - "He's a Bush clone." By choosing Palin, something George Bush would never have done, McCain showed how really different he is.

The old ground rule for picking a running mate was to help the ticket carry a particular state. But Bill Clinton changed the rules when he tapped Al Gore in 1992. Clinton likely would've carried Tennessee anyway, but the choice of Gore emphasized the most important feature of Clinton's candidacy: He was from a new generation and represented a new outlook.

And so Sarah Palin reinforces the most important aspect of the McCain candidacy: Despite 30 years in Washington, he's an outsider and a dedicated foe of corruption and conflict of interest in government. He's the one who stands up against pork, earmarks and lobbyists and backs campaign-finance reform.


Palin brings the same kind of credentials to the ticket. When she speaks tonight and emphasizes her record of reform and her commitment to bring ethical standards to Washington, she'll strike a deeply resonant chord throughout the nation.

[conversationpc]

Another good quote by Dennis Miller about Palin...

I think she unnerves people who define their life by their need to be precious.

[SteveForever]

This convention rocks!
Biden must be shaking in his shoes, he is no match for Palin...I love it!!

[Since 78]

This convention rocks!
Biden must be shaking in his shoes, he is no match for Palin...I love it!!

+1

[7 Wishes]

This convention rocks!
Biden must be shaking in his shoes, he is no match for Palin...I love it!!

You're kidding, right? Biden is one of the most well-spoken and intelligent politicians in America. Palin is certainly going to hold her own, but she is a hypocrite when it comes to asserting her "experience" while belittling Obama's.

[scarygirl]

This convention rocks!
Biden must be shaking in his shoes, he is no match for Palin...I love it!!

+1

+ 2

I tell you though, I am so disappointed in my gender right now. So much back biting, and for what? I tell you what, pea green envy. This woman is by no means lazy and other women who for whatever reason, whether it was chosen (which is admirable) or because they themselves don't have the where with all to stand up and be all they can be are taking the low road of "cattiness."

Who knows? Maybe tomorrow we'll wake up and find ourselves sweltering in our burkas to find out that Women's Lib was all a dream; much like the time that Pamela found Bobby alive in the shower on Dallas.

[Allied Forces]

She did well. Most on both sides of the failed 2 party system are already saying that. She almost has a Canadian accent too.

[nutz4Neal]

I loved her!

She's pretty, articulate, educated, passionate, experienced, devoted mother & wife, concerned citizen, and competitor. Watch out Biden.

[RossValoryRocks]

This convention rocks!
Biden must be shaking in his shoes, he is no match for Palin...I love it!!

You're kidding, right? Biden is one of the most well-spoken and intelligent politicians in America. Palin is certainly going to hold her own, but she is a hypocrite when it comes to asserting her "experience" while belittling Obama's.

She has more decision making experience than Obama does. PERIOD. He has 144 active days in the Senate.

That's not being a hypocrite it is being FACTUAL.

[7 Wishes]

How long until the Big Right Machine attempts to turn Iraq's forcing the U.S. to give a specific withdrawal date into a "victory". Now, the surge is certainly working - although only time can tell if it's a temporary fix or a permanent development (and I pray it's the latter).

[The_Noble_Cause]

Speech was total ad hominem dreck and lowest common denominator pandering.
Pot shots interspersed with canned Hee-Haw zingers.
McCain's diminishing appeal to independents and moderates is now officially worn off.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Here's what Dick Morris has to say regarding Palin (I typically find that I don't agree with him, but I do on this...)

Understand: Palin is under attack because she was such a good choice.

Remember the Democrats' central charge on McCain - "He's a Bush clone." By choosing Palin, something George Bush would never have done, McCain showed how really different he is.

The old ground rule for picking a running mate was to help the ticket carry a particular state. But Bill Clinton changed the rules when he tapped Al Gore in 1992. Clinton likely would've carried Tennessee anyway, but the choice of Gore emphasized the most important feature of Clinton's candidacy: He was from a new generation and represented a new outlook.

And so Sarah Palin reinforces the most important aspect of the McCain candidacy: Despite 30 years in Washington, he's an outsider and a dedicated foe of corruption and conflict of interest in government. He's the one who stands up against pork, earmarks and lobbyists and backs campaign-finance reform.


Palin brings the same kind of credentials to the ticket. When she speaks tonight and emphasizes her record of reform and her commitment to bring ethical standards to Washington, she'll strike a deeply resonant chord throughout the nation.

What garbage.
McCain insiders have verified that McCain was truly keen on Leiberman as VP.
Palin isn't the choice of a maverick, its a red meat capitulation to the base.

[stevew2]

I loved her!

She's pretty, articulate, educated, passionate, experienced, devoted mother & wife, concerned citizen, and competitor. Watch out Biden.

Id like to see her on a desk

[7 Wishes]

She has more decision making experience than Obama does. PERIOD. He has 144 active days in the Senate.

That's not being a hypocrite it is being FACTUAL.

That's a nice twist the Right has come up with there. He's been in the Senate for years...144 days during which actual votes were cast.

Anyway, neither one of them has much experience. It's more relevant in Obama's case since he would be the President, but McCain's age makes hers relevant, too.

JFK didn't have much experience, but he certainly got an A+ when he stared down the Russians and called their bluff - perhaps the most important decision any President of any nation has ever made. Nuclear annihilation was that close. Ask anyone who was alive back then...even the staunch conservatives.

[Allied Forces]

Speech was total ad hominem dreck and lowest common denominator pandering.
Pot shots interspersed with canned Hee-Haw zingers.
McCain's diminishing appeal to independents and moderates is now officially worn off.

And Obama's wasn't? You think he wrote his on his own? And he is running for the top spot Taco Bell boy. And the Democrats dragging out bizarre disturbed homeless people , illegal aliens and drug addicts out of shelters out to vote isn't?

[7 Wishes]

Well, you KNOW they can count on Tommy Chong's vote.

[scarygirl]

Palin isn't the choice of a maverick, its a red meat capitulation to the base.

No, I call sour grapes because Obama didn't pick Hilary for Vice President. It's not McCain's fault he chose Biden. In truth she should have been the Democratic nominee. Not a fan of hers, but at least I know where she stands.

Obama and a good chunk of his supporters (not all) are nothing more than a bunch of passive agressive cry babies. They thought they could rail Hilary out of the election before the majority of the states had cast their vote, they thought wrong. For this much, I am very proud of her tenacity.

[Allied Forces]

Palin isn't the choice of a maverick, its a red meat capitulation to the base.

No, I call sour grapes because Obama didn't pick Hilary for Vice President. It's not McCain's fault he chose Biden. In truth she should have been the Democratic nominee. Not a fan of hers, but at least I know where she stands.

Obama and a good chunk of his supporters (not all) are nothing more than a bunch of passive agressive cry babies. They thought they could rail Hilary out of the election before the majority of the states had cast their vote, they thought wrong. For this much, I am very proud of her tenacity.

Hillary will win in 4 years.

[7 Wishes]

Scarygirl, the PUMAs and bitter-pill Hillary supporters are being shortsighted by taking out their frustration on their own party. The real - and only - issue is the Democratic State Party leadership within Michigan and Florida. They are the one who chose to violate their party's laws and hold their primaries before their allotted time (not that I agree with the system - I think it's tripe - because an Iowa farmer's vote shouldn't matter more than mine). Had they allowed the votes to count, chaos would have ensured, and since that is a specialty of the Democratic party, they were wise to head it off at the pass.

[stevew2]

I havent heard her speech yet so ill wait to talk some shit, i must say this is an interestesting year in politics,and Tito is gay[almost as much as friga}

[scarygirl]

Scarygirl, the PUMAs and bitter-pill Hillary supporters are being shortsighted by taking out their frustration on their own party. The real - and only - issue is the Democratic State Party leadership within Michigan and Florida. They are the one who chose to violate their party's laws and hold their primaries before their allotted time (not that I agree with the system - I think it's tripe - because an Iowa farmer's vote shouldn't matter more than mine). Had they allowed the votes to count, chaos would have ensured, and since that is a specialty of the Democratic party, they were wise to head it off at the pass.

I understand that, but there was considerable pressure for Hilary to quit before all the states were counted. Mathmatically impossible, true, but wrong imo.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And Obama's wasn't?

Not to the mud slinging depths I just witnessed.
That was total scholyard bullying...meanspirited and devoid of inspiration.
Reminiscent of the 2004 GOP Convention, come to think of it.

You think he wrote his on his own?

So they say. Same with the race speech.

And he is running for the top spot Taco Bell boy. And the Democrats dragging out bizarre disturbed homeless people , illegal aliens and drug addicts out of shelters out to vote isn't?

No idea what you're trying to say.