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Postby csiako » Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:14 am

nolippin wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D933UDB01&show_article=1

Obama accuses McCain camp of lies, phony outrage

Sep 10 11:20 AM US/Eastern
By NEDRA PICKLER
Associated Press Writer

NORFOLK, Va. (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday accused Republican John McCain's campaign of using "lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics" in claiming he used a sexist comment against vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.
Calling it "the latest made-up controversy by the John McCain campaign," Obama responded to the Republicans' charge that he was referring to Palin when he used the phrase "lipstick on a pig" at a campaign stop Tuesday.

"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics. Enough is enough," he said.

Obama's reference was to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, an outside group that in 2004 made unsubstantiated allegations about Democratic nominee John Kerry's decorated military record in Vietnam.

On Tuesday, Obama criticized McCain's economic policies as similar to those of President Bush, saying: "You can put lipstick on a pig ... it's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still going to stink after eight years."

The McCain campaign contended that the comments were directed at Palin, the GOP's first woman on a presidential ticket. In her acceptance speech last week, she had referred to herself in a joke about lipstick being the only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull.

Accusing Obama of "smearing" Palin in "offensive and disgraceful" comments, the McCain campaign demanded an apology—though McCain himself used the folksy metaphor a few times last year, including once to describe Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan.

The McCain campaign on Wednesday issued an Internet ad that said Obama was talking about Palin and said of Obama: "Ready to lead? No. Ready to smear? Yes."

Obama began a discussion of education at a Norfolk high school on Wednesday by assailing McCain's campaign.

"What their campaign has done this morning is the same game that has made people sick and tired of politics in this country. They seize on an innocent remark, try to take it out of context, throw up an outrageous ad because they know that it's catnip for the news media," Obama said.


its either
1. he doesnt get it and out of touch with the American public
2. he is offensive and disgraceful

either way it doesnt look good on him.
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Postby StoneCold » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:05 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Calling it "the latest made-up controversy by the John McCain campaign,"


This is where Barry is so off base it's not even funny. I'm not a "member" of the McCain campaign and when I heard of this clip yesterday, from Politico of all places, I immediatley posted it here. It was then followed up by Drudge and numerous other media outlets. McCain had nothing to do with this outrage, Barry brought it upon himself. It was a normal OMG! did he really say that kind of outrage that came naturally to millions of conservatives. I believe I posted in the 1st post that this was gonna be fun and that was before MOST media had run with it.

BTW, now that Barry has blamed the media for carrying McCains water on this, how will the media react after carrying Barrys water for the last 18 months?


Did someone mention that most news places aren't mentioning it? Here's a smippet from the google news aggregator.

McCain camp seizes on Obama's 'lipstick on a pig' comment
Los Angeles Times - 30 minutes ago

John McCain campaign launches ad blasting Barack Obama's 'lipstick ... New York Daily News

A Lipsticked Pig and the Politics of Perception Washington Post

Wall Street Journal - New York Times - CNN - ABC News
all 1,182 news articles »
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Postby csiako » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:23 am

StoneCold wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Calling it "the latest made-up controversy by the John McCain campaign,"


This is where Barry is so off base it's not even funny. I'm not a "member" of the McCain campaign and when I heard of this clip yesterday, from Politico of all places, I immediatley posted it here. It was then followed up by Drudge and numerous other media outlets. McCain had nothing to do with this outrage, Barry brought it upon himself. It was a normal OMG! did he really say that kind of outrage that came naturally to millions of conservatives. I believe I posted in the 1st post that this was gonna be fun and that was before MOST media had run with it.

BTW, now that Barry has blamed the media for carrying McCains water on this, how will the media react after carrying Barrys water for the last 18 months?


Did someone mention that most news places aren't mentioning it? Here's a smippet from the google news aggregator.

McCain camp seizes on Obama's 'lipstick on a pig' comment
Los Angeles Times - 30 minutes ago

John McCain campaign launches ad blasting Barack Obama's 'lipstick ... New York Daily News

A Lipsticked Pig and the Politics of Perception Washington Post

Wall Street Journal - New York Times - CNN - ABC News
all 1,182 news articles »



compare it to "Bristol Pregnant"
all 2,725 news articles
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Postby journeypower » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:26 am

the idea here is simple. OBAMA made a comment where he doesn't want to be crucified. then why made that comment in the first place? I should had been more careful on what I say coz that will bite you back where it hurts.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:51 am

McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.
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Postby Barb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:55 am

7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:58 am

He was NOT talking about her! He was using YOUR PARTY'S PHRASE in context. You guys will fall for ANYTHING your party tells you to. Wow.
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Postby Onestepper » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:00 am

7 Wishes wrote:He was NOT talking about her! He was using YOUR PARTY'S PHRASE in context. You guys will fall for ANYTHING your party tells you to. Wow.


Apparently, so will you. Given those are the Dem talking points put out this morning.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:03 am

No, I saw the clip. I think for myself, thank you very much. I never thought McCain was referring to Hillary...of course, Allan was referring to her when he accused her of "hiding behind her apron strings" whenever a meaningful issue came up in the debates.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:10 am

Your link doesn't work.

Anyway, it has nothing to do with time...it has everything to do with context.

Let's just agree to disagree on this one, because neither is going to acquiesce. We should move on to more important issues, such as whether or not you'd prefer Jessica Simpson or Angelina Jolie to crush your ears.
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Postby Barb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:30 am

Fact Finder wrote:Oh my goodness....it keeps getting better and better...or worse depending on if you are a lib...talk about arrogance and ignorance.


Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn): "Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus, who our minister prayed about. Pontius Pilate was a governor."


http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=171523


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Postby nolippin » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:38 am

He DID use the reference prior to the Palin joke...as did McCain. So, according to you, it's just a stupid expression that no one should be connecting to her, but you guys are hell bent on being outraged about something...anything. :roll:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10 ... -politics/

Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki also noted that Obama too has used the expression before — to criticize the troop surge in Iraq.

“I think that both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment,” Obama told The Washington Post in September 2007. “George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig.”


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7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.
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Postby nolippin » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:43 am

Agreed. Now THAT was a truly ignorant remark. Stevie's having a run of bad luck. They didn't want to rename the Memphis Airport after Issac Hayes either. :roll:



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Fact Finder wrote:Oh my goodness....it keeps getting better and better...or worse depending on if you are a lib...talk about arrogance and ignorance.


Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn): "Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus, who our minister prayed about. Pontius Pilate was a governor."


http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=171523


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Postby Barb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:44 am

nolippin wrote:He DID use the reference prior to the Palin joke...as did McCain. So, according to you, it's just a stupid expression that no one should be connecting to her, but you guys are hell bent on being outraged about something...anything. :roll:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10 ... -politics/

Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki also noted that Obama too has used the expression before — to criticize the troop surge in Iraq.

“I think that both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment,” Obama told The Washington Post in September 2007. “George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig.”


Barb wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.


When he said it then, was it funny? Was he smirking as though he had just come up with something really clever like he did yesterday? I'm sorry you don't get it. I'm not outraged about anything. I am just delighted to see Obama making a complete horses ass out of himself and that someone is finally noticing.
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Postby Barb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:46 am

Fact Finder wrote:Oh my goodness....it keeps getting better and better...or worse depending on if you are a lib...talk about arrogance and ignorance.


Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn): "Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus, who our minister prayed about. Pontius Pilate was a governor."


http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=171523


Came from the Daily Kooks.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/9/ ... 987/592951

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Postby nolippin » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:52 am

So now you're changing your story?? It's not about the fact that he has used the reference before, but about facial expressions??? Come on. Surely, you can find something more important to get your panties in a wad about.

The expression is just as funny as it was when your boy McCain used it to reference Hillary Clinton.


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nolippin wrote:He DID use the reference prior to the Palin joke...as did McCain. So, according to you, it's just a stupid expression that no one should be connecting to her, but you guys are hell bent on being outraged about something...anything. :roll:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10 ... -politics/

Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki also noted that Obama too has used the expression before — to criticize the troop surge in Iraq.

“I think that both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment,” Obama told The Washington Post in September 2007. “George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig.”


Barb wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.


When he said it then, was it funny? Was he smirking as though he had just come up with something really clever like he did yesterday? I'm sorry you don't get it. I'm not outraged about anything. I am just delighted to see Obama making a complete horses ass out of himself and that someone is finally noticing.
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Postby Barb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:56 am

nolippin wrote:So now you're changing your story?? It's not about the fact that he has used the reference before, but about facial expressions??? Come on. Surely, you can find something more important to get your panties in a wad about.

The expression is just as funny as it was when your boy McCain used it to reference Hillary Clinton.


Barb wrote:
nolippin wrote:He DID use the reference prior to the Palin joke...as did McCain. So, according to you, it's just a stupid expression that no one should be connecting to her, but you guys are hell bent on being outraged about something...anything. :roll:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10 ... -politics/

Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki also noted that Obama too has used the expression before — to criticize the troop surge in Iraq.

“I think that both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment,” Obama told The Washington Post in September 2007. “George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig.”


Barb wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.


When he said it then, was it funny? Was he smirking as though he had just come up with something really clever like he did yesterday? I'm sorry you don't get it. I'm not outraged about anything. I am just delighted to see Obama making a complete horses ass out of himself and that someone is finally noticing.


I am not changing my story. What he said before is not relevant. What McCain said before is not relevant. He chose the WRONG cliché - intentionally or not and he is not getting away with it. On top of that, instead of admitting it was a poor choice of words and that he was in no way referring to Palin, he sticks his arrogant nose up in the air indignantly. He is stupid and put himself in a no win situation when he could have easily smoothed it over.

You can argue this all day long and not change my opinion. I'm certain I won't change yours either, but I'll keep playing as long as you want.
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Postby nolippin » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:05 am

Your words. It was shown to you that he did make the reference before. You still want to argue.

Sorry, lady, but you'd argue with a fence post. Go ahead. I know you need to have the last word. Here's your chance. :roll:


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7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.
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Postby Barb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:08 am

nolippin wrote:Your words. It was shown to you that he did make the reference before. You still want to argue.

Sorry, lady, but you'd argue with a fence post. Go ahead. I know you need to have the last word. Here's your chance. :roll:


Barb wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.


I stand by that. The only reason this is a problem for him is because the lipstick reference is now atttached to Sarah Palin. When he said it the first time, it wasn't. Look, I am willing to believe that he didn't choose those words intentionally, but as soon as the crowd erupted in laughter, it was obvious to him how it was being taken. If he was such a smart guy, he would have nipped this in the bud before it got out of control. He's obviously not used to the media pouincing on him. :lol:
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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:11 am

The crowd laughed like hell, they obviously got it. Clearly there wasnt a shred of decency at that whole rally.

Instead for the people of the people and by the people we have politics for the assholes of the assholes and by the assholes.
That fricken mascot the Democrats have sure is fitting today.

Heres a song , dedicated to BHO and his buddies at that rally . Maybe they can use its a theme song, if they pay the royalties


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=komFcq3TD ... re=related
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Postby Barb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:18 am

and the hits keep on coming


S.C. Dem Party Chair: McCain chose 'someone whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn't had an abortion'... Developing...
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Postby nolippin » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:19 am

It's become a problem because the reps are making a mountain out of a molehill because apparently they have nothing of substance to talk about. He used the term before. There's no reason that he can't continue to do so just because she made a stupid joke. He did cut the crowd off when they started to boo her. He didn't have to do that.



Barb wrote:
nolippin wrote:Your words. It was shown to you that he did make the reference before. You still want to argue.

Sorry, lady, but you'd argue with a fence post. Go ahead. I know you need to have the last word. Here's your chance. :roll:


Barb wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.


I stand by that. The only reason this is a problem for him is because the lipstick reference is now atttached to Sarah Palin. When he said it the first time, it wasn't. Look, I am willing to believe that he didn't choose those words intentionally, but as soon as the crowd erupted in laughter, it was obvious to him how it was being taken. If he was such a smart guy, he would have nipped this in the bud before it got out of control. He's obviously not used to the media pouincing on him. :lol:
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Postby Barb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:24 am

nolippin wrote:It's become a problem because the reps are making a mountain out of a molehill because apparently they have nothing of substance to talk about. He used the term before. There's no reason that he can't continue to do so just because she made a stupid joke. He did cut the crowd off when they started to boo her. He didn't have to do that.



Barb wrote:
nolippin wrote:Your words. It was shown to you that he did make the reference before. You still want to argue.

Sorry, lady, but you'd argue with a fence post. Go ahead. I know you need to have the last word. Here's your chance. :roll:


Barb wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.


I stand by that. The only reason this is a problem for him is because the lipstick reference is now atttached to Sarah Palin. When he said it the first time, it wasn't. Look, I am willing to believe that he didn't choose those words intentionally, but as soon as the crowd erupted in laughter, it was obvious to him how it was being taken. If he was such a smart guy, he would have nipped this in the bud before it got out of control. He's obviously not used to the media pouincing on him. :lol:



Sorry, it's not just republicans who were offended. This is a man wanting to be the President of the United States who has been perceived as calling a woman a pig. A lot of women are pissed off and they are not all R's.

He could have swallowed his pride for 5 seconds and made a gracious gesture towards Palin and all women, but he didn't. Now he can live with it.
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Postby Barb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:28 am

S.C. Dem chair: Palin primary qualification is she hasn't had an abortion

South Carolina Democratic chairwoman Carol Fowler sharply attacked Sarah Palin today, saying John McCain had chosen a running mate " whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn’t had an abortion.”

Palin is an opponent of abortion rights and gave birth to her fifth child, Trig, earlier this year after finding out during her pregnancy that the baby had Down syndrome.

Fowler told my colleague Alex Burns in an interview that the selection of an opponent of abortion rights would not boost McCain among many women.

“Among Democratic women and even among independent women, I don’t think it helped him,” she said.

Told of McCain's boost in the new ABC/Washington Post among white women following the Palin pick, Fowler said: "Just anecdotally, I believe that those white women are Republican women anyway."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanm ... ml?showall
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Postby nolippin » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:29 am

Ummmm...and when McCain...who also wants to be President of the United States used the term to reference Hillary Clinton that was OK...?? OK, we all know where you're coming from. :roll:


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nolippin wrote:It's become a problem because the reps are making a mountain out of a molehill because apparently they have nothing of substance to talk about. He used the term before. There's no reason that he can't continue to do so just because she made a stupid joke. He did cut the crowd off when they started to boo her. He didn't have to do that.



Barb wrote:
nolippin wrote:Your words. It was shown to you that he did make the reference before. You still want to argue.

Sorry, lady, but you'd argue with a fence post. Go ahead. I know you need to have the last word. Here's your chance. :roll:


Barb wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.


I stand by that. The only reason this is a problem for him is because the lipstick reference is now atttached to Sarah Palin. When he said it the first time, it wasn't. Look, I am willing to believe that he didn't choose those words intentionally, but as soon as the crowd erupted in laughter, it was obvious to him how it was being taken. If he was such a smart guy, he would have nipped this in the bud before it got out of control. He's obviously not used to the media pouincing on him. :lol:



Sorry, it's not just republicans who were offended. This is a man wanting to be the President of the United States who has been perceived as calling a woman a pig. A lot of women are pissed off and they are not all R's.

He could have swallowed his pride for 5 seconds and made a gracious gesture towards Palin and all women, but he didn't. Now he can live with it.
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Postby Barb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:31 am

nolippin wrote:Ummmm...and when McCain...who also wants to be President of the United States used the term to reference Hillary Clinton that was OK...?? OK, we all know where you're coming from. :roll:


Barb wrote:
nolippin wrote:It's become a problem because the reps are making a mountain out of a molehill because apparently they have nothing of substance to talk about. He used the term before. There's no reason that he can't continue to do so just because she made a stupid joke. He did cut the crowd off when they started to boo her. He didn't have to do that.



Barb wrote:
nolippin wrote:Your words. It was shown to you that he did make the reference before. You still want to argue.

Sorry, lady, but you'd argue with a fence post. Go ahead. I know you need to have the last word. Here's your chance. :roll:


Barb wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:McCain used the "lipstick on a pig" reference THREE TIMES when talking about Hillary.

Case closed. He said it. If you criticize Obama for it, then McCain deserves just as much. So put a damned sock in it.


If BO used the reference prior to the Palin joke, no one would be connecting it to her. It would just be a stupid expression. Again, his audience caught on, so did everyone else. He blundered here, deal with it.


I stand by that. The only reason this is a problem for him is because the lipstick reference is now atttached to Sarah Palin. When he said it the first time, it wasn't. Look, I am willing to believe that he didn't choose those words intentionally, but as soon as the crowd erupted in laughter, it was obvious to him how it was being taken. If he was such a smart guy, he would have nipped this in the bud before it got out of control. He's obviously not used to the media pouincing on him. :lol:



Sorry, it's not just republicans who were offended. This is a man wanting to be the President of the United States who has been perceived as calling a woman a pig. A lot of women are pissed off and they are not all R's.

He could have swallowed his pride for 5 seconds and made a gracious gesture towards Palin and all women, but he didn't. Now he can live with it.


I promise, this is my last response to you on this because quite honestly, I can't take it! :lol: You are comparing apples to oranges here. At no point in time (let alone a week earlier) had Ms. Clinton made a joke about herself as a pittbull with lipstick or any other lipstick/animal reference. IF SHE HAD, then that would have been a poor choice of words for McCain as well.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:32 am

nolippin wrote:Ummmm...and when McCain...who also wants to be President of the United States used the term to reference Hillary Clinton that was OK...?? OK, we all know where you're coming from. :roll:


The big difference is that Hillary never referenced herself in a joke as wearing lipstick like Palin did with the pit bull and lipstick joke. In McCain's comment, he was obviously referring to Hillary's policies and there was no lipstick/pit bull reference to be related to.
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Postby artist4perry » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:36 am

I am voting for Palin. Having that said I cannot crawl in Obama's head and tell you if he meant it as a slam to her or not. I can only take his word that he did not, and it is a common phrase used by both leaders. What is a problem is the reaction of the crowd when he said it. Even inteded or not, the gales of laughture from the crowd makes me beleive that some did percieve it that way. And on the heals of her speech I can see why. I think he could have better smoothed things over, if he had clarified his meaning, and said he would never refer to her in that manner because he had respect for her as a person. McCain has stood up when people were being unkind to Obama's family, and said it was wrong. A little kindness goes a long way. He doesn't have to agree with her politically, to show her respect as a person. And we should all realize our words, though with good intention, can be misunderstood.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:36 am

Barb wrote:I promise, this is my last response to you on this because quite honestly, I can't take it! :lol: You are comparing apples to oranges here. At no point in time (let alone a week earlier) had Ms. Clinton made a joke about herself as a pittbull with lipstick or any other lipstick/animal reference. IF SHE HAD, then that would have been a poor choice of words for McCain as well.

Do you realize you're arguing about the self-destruction of Obama's campaign? It's happening whether "nolippin" wants to admit it or not. :lol: It's funny.
Just wait til the debates start, I can't wait to hear Obama's answers. Long winded versions of "present" votes, and "Frankly, I think answering that is above my paygrade".
Can't wait!!! :lol:
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